Discussion Proposed Edited Manga Ratings Changes

[njt]

The problem with the old system is that it's hard to "grade" a Manga Editors work, and so when they did all that work and get a LQ / MQ rating when they think they deserved higher, then feelings are hurt and trouble starts... so thus the proposal for the new system

 

[YozoraVII]

Yep, - and + ftw!

do it do it do it

 

[juUnior]

I't with the old one thing. It is queite good if it;s in my opinion. But I would like to add something to that form new system which is presented:

There would be like it was LQ, MQ, and HQ scans, and i think that when scanaltors mostly read Ratings Quide, the know how can they been rated, but also:
CamScan
For me good idea to add to previous system this scan from camshot. For me it's queite differents in LQ quality normal scan, rather than seeing done it on really bad quality camshot when sometimes they appear.
Thats all.

 

[yeste]

Have to say that the current working system (SLQ/LQ/MQ/HQ) is quite good, and we all got pretty used to it by now. I don’t see the need for that to be revised!

On the other hand, a preview image would be great… I’m liking Cez’s idea the most so far… A preview image in the spoiler tag, next to the link for the chapter, and a few basic infos about the size of the chapter (Mb) and the size of the images (750x1100). This would give us lechers more than enough infos to set our minds on which scan we want to download!!!

The other extra infos about are the black areas redone, or are the images over leveled and such sound nice too, but you can pretty much see all that from a preview image, right…
Plus, making Manga Editors fill those infos up right after they spent a couple of hours ( at least!!!) working on a fast release I guess would be a real pain in t…….. I doubt they will be willing to do that.
Maybe that would be better left for the mods who are rating the scan to do. Sort of like a short instant review…

So, I’m voting for the preview image!!! That would really be a nice touch, and it’s not too much hustle for anyone to put that image next to the scan… As for the other things, either way it goes, it’s fine by me!

 

[yoniekai]

yep, having a preview page would be perfect . i go for CeZ's idea

 

[Katalyze]

preview page or auxiva's idea ftw

 

[ddadain]

I vote to change the current system.

The LQ/MQ/HQ system currently in use is very narrow-minded, impersonal and ungrateful.

Some things that gets into MQ are really ugly. Overleveled, over-denoised, the lineart is nuked, pixelized... BUT... the important thing is "the texts stay in the bubble and are in this size... the blacks are almost black and whites are whites"

There are some LQs that aren't that far off from MQs, but are still stuck with the very terrible scans [I mean very terrible ones].

Another thing is I don't really think we should be encouraging people to WASTE time trying to get a scan to MQ by filling in all the blacks. The problem with all the blacks being black (or almost) and whites being all white is that if it looks too clean with the solid colors being solid, it WILL heavily contrast to the rest of the lineart that aren't edited. There are various filters that can be used to delete the white grains but leaves the product really bad, but that's not the important thing, isn't it? Getting a Edited Manga to MQ using (~3 hours) only to have a group release an HQ one in a few days is really a waste of time, don't you think? They'll just delete the MQ one and download the HQ without a second thought. Why not? HQ is better than MQ.

Usual MQ scans are usually done by a team of 1 or 2, while HQs are done by atleast 4. Making Manga Editors to waste there effort and time painting over those blacks just to get into the MQ category is quite selfish, isn't it?

I vote that we abolish the LQ/MQ/HQ categories all together.

Instead, we can use impression grading as ALL professional critics/Exam markers for English composition/... do. Yes, standardization is good BUT it's not appropriate for Edited Mangas anyways. VOLUNTEER WORK should not be branded bad/good/excellent or low/medium/high quality in terms of just what is expected. What I propose is the rater just look over the Edited Manga and just give an impression mark out of 10 in 3 categories:

Typesetting
Cleaning
Language



IMO~

blah blah

 

[JoJoJO]

@ ddadain

We are not here to hold peoples hand and let them feel better, we are here give them a fair and objective decision, if they don't like their rating they should strive for better that's how the world works

 

[ddadain]

That's the problem.

Objective doesn't cut it.

If we're talking about how the world rates things, we don't see art or food critics or political commentators, book critics, etc. having guidelines, do we?
No we DON'T.

Now what was your point?

 

[yoniekai]

@kinda off topic but: hmm, our group franky house does hq, but we were originally an mq group (tho we're kinda late nowadays because of the hq. we're still getting used to it ) but it has always been our priority to release the mqs because more people actually dload the speedscans than hqs. that's the reality. so if we are to release an mq for the fans, why not make it a little better to them? it's kinda a sad excuse to not let your release look good just because it need not be that good.

but i get your point. standardizing releases. but this is MH, and there are countless releases every week. as a reader myself, i always have to look at who does the release so i can read with more enjoyment from his/her good editing, if i dont recognize who made it, i look at the ratings the mod gives. that is the purpose of the ratings, to help the reader, (hence mangahelper. gawd)

 

[Gret]

Hmmm.... I'm not very good at judging the quality of the scans and raws, but why don't we use a point/stars system? Like from 1 to 10 ponts/stars, with 1 being the lowest of LQ(no offence), 5 being MQ and 10 being HQ.

This way it will be a better judge of the quality of the scans as currently, the LQ/ MQ/ HQ scans have varying quality even within their own ratings.

But then again, there is a flaw as its difficult to judge how well the quality is, and to give it marks from 1 to 10..... so unless someone has a good idea.... I don't think my idea is any good...

** Oh ya... It may also be quite demoralising for people if their hard work gets a low rate, hmmm... ok my idea is bad..

 

[vaiobob]

I understand the reasoning behind this as titles would definately now provide more information about what the reader was getting. I only worry about those who are new to reading manga online possibly being overwhelmed by having a quality rating that is not readily understandable to those who are unused to Edited Manga. Although the term "low quality" may not work for the effort that was put in by the team and definately doesn't reflect in any way on the skills of the Manga Editors it does provide a user-friendly system. I could understand the addition of camscan as this says in the name what it is and does provide for another needed level of definition. However, speedscan and scan just seem like fancy new names for LQ and MQ.

 

[gigantor21]

I say the rating system is fine as it is, mostly due to conventionality--no matter what scale is decided on, there'll be a degree of subjectivity, anyway. Since both the original format and the alternate are equally telling in terms of quality, I think it'd be best to leave it alone. People are used to the "LMH" set-up, after all.

 

[manu]

Lets stick with SLQ-LQ-MQ-HQ-SHQ. Though I'm glad that ou make the raters leaver their signature.

 

[eni]

Hmhmhm, ok since so many are for the old system, I'll try to give my view:

I do prefer CamScan, SpeedScan, Scan and HQ because...

SLQ-LQ-MQ-HQ-SHQ

... is a) hard to rate and b) unfair to any borderline qualities. We even added LQ/MQ and MQ/HQ very often, since many scans do not fit into just MQ. I personally think that these many terms are more confusing as the four new terms where the rating mods have a wide scope. So it's shorten the lists of Q-terms and is easier to rate AND gives an easier impression to the readers (sure, we have to get used to it first, but that will go fast).

Furthermore, to take the term "Low/Medium/"-Quality away just looks more positive to the readers and is more fair to the previous LQ/MQ-Manga Editors.
A Speedscan as example is just LQ because it was done with the first (LQ-)RAW in no time. It sounds deprecatingly to call it LQ, since it never had the intention to be a full Edited Manga, just the first fast scan - time over quality.

 

[ibra87]

The problem with the old system is that it's hard to "grade" a Manga Editors work, and so when they did all that work and get a LQ / MQ rating when they think they deserved higher, then feelings are hurt and trouble starts... so thus the proposal for the new system

Most of the ones who get their feelings hurt (like 95%) are people who are trying to prove that their Edited Mangas are HQ and not MQ. Since we still have a HQ here, it really won't help a Manga Editor's feelings to have his Edited Manga rated as "scan" instead of MQ, so it's pretty much the same to me.

 

[Jinoshua]

its ok as it is imo

 

[eni]

Since we still have a HQ here, it really won't help a Manga Editor's feelings to have his Edited Manga rated as "scan" instead of MQ, so it's pretty much the same to me.

I agree in the opinion that I don't like the "HQ" term. I would wish to rename it too. But we would be more open to previous MQ/HQ then. Besides MHQ/HQ is easier to rate (in my opinion) then LQ/MQ and there we had the most problems with.

 

[Believe]

As with everyone said above, I believe the old system works fine, and creating the MQ/HQ subcatagories also worked quite well.

Having the name of the rater I think is a step in the right direction.

I personally think the old system works well and means well, and I believe that changing it significantly would only bring more problems to the system.

The (-/+) system might be the only thing that I believe would be nice and would be beneficial to the overall rating system.

Just my 2 cents, I hope everything ends well.

Cheers,
Believe

 

[Vato Loco!]

That's the problem.

Objective doesn't cut it.

If we're talking about how the world rates things, we don't see art or food critics or political commentators, book critics, etc. having guidelines, do we?
No we DON'T.

Now what was your point?

Actually Art and Food Critics have very strict guidelines. Having been in a number of art competitions, there are quite a number of rules and regulations that you have to follow in order just to enter the contest to be critiqued, then add to that guidelines for the actual piece that have to be followed to the "T" or else you risk being disqualified, it's a very strict scene.

The same goes for food critics, from a spectators view, I have friends that are currently going to school for culinary arts that have entered contests and won, and I've seen the criteria that they have to match to enter and compete, and I would say it was more strict than anything the mods here could ever come up with.

The point being if you want to do a scan then do a scan, and rate it how you believe it should be rated. If the mod believes it should be rated something else, then they're probably right as they've seen more and have rating for a long time. The best thing to do then is to ask what could be done to improve your scans for later, not to start whining about what it should be and trying to sway them to conform to your ego.

Holding someones hand every time they start to whine and cry will not make them a better artist, cook, or Manga Editor. Asking questions to try and further your knowledge and ability to put out better quality products will.

Personally I think the rating system should stay the same, or should be altered so that you have to meet definite criteria for scans, no vague areas, that's where these problems arise.