Discussion Ranking the Sins

[afromarco005]

From smartest to dumbest
1-Merlin
2-Meliodas
3-Gowther
4-Escanor
5-Ban
6-Diane/King
7-king/diane

From most badass
1-Day Escanor
2-Glasses-less Gowther
3-Mel ( demon)
4-Ban ( post hunter's fest)
5-Merlin ( excited )
6-King (serious)
7-Diane

 

[Demonspeed]

That doesn't make any sense (I know it's stated Ban and Mel are equal in this arm wrestling)... Because using his speed and strength would imply moving Melidas' arm. I mean when they fought the blue demons at full speed, Mel didn't even move but one of them tried to chop his head off. I don't think Ban was even fastest than them

It was hard to believe but that's what the manga states, Ban's movement speed is crazy, the Sins are anomalies after all . Ban gets injured a lot and heals because he is immortal anyway.

 

[Calum]

In terms of overall power.
1. Escanor
2. Meliodas
3. King
4. Merlin
5. Ban
6. Gowther
7. Diane

 

[Rescorlian]

It was hard to believe but that's what the manga states, Ban's movement speed is crazy, the Sins are anomalies after all . Ban gets injured a lot and heals because he is immortal anyway.

Well, it's hard to believe because it doesn't contain any logic. With the gap of strength between Meliodas and Ban, the latter should not be able to overwhelm him even with speed, like we saw with the blue demons.
Of course this is a contradiction with their arm wrestling contest. Well, I just think it doesn't make sense and we shouldn't really theory craft how to create sense from what we got ; those kind of few mistakes happen in other manga too. Not like it's important anyway, just a detail.

 

[overlordpringerx]

In terms of overall power.
1. Escanor
2. Meliodas
3. King
4. Merlin
5. Ban
6. Gowther
7. Diane

Isn't Merlin still stronger than King? Or are you putting King there because disaster is broken?

 

[Demonspeed]

Well, it's hard to believe because it doesn't contain any logic. With the gap of strength between Meliodas and Ban, the latter should not be able to overwhelm him even with speed, like we saw with the blue demons.
Of course this is a contradiction with their arm wrestling contest. Well, I just think it doesn't make sense and we shouldn't really theory craft how to create sense from what we got ; those kind of few mistakes happen in other manga too. Not like it's important anyway, just a detail.

It's not considered a mistake in the story though. It is a fact that he had won against him before at arm wrestling and he did it in the maze, his way of using his movement speed to destroy the wall was also similar. When they fought at Vaizel Kind did say that Ban's attacks were much faster than Mel's. The Blue Demons tried to tear Meliodas's head off, it's another matter entirely. Ban could land hits on Mel as he is now but he'd feel nothing, just like when they competed at arm wrestling in the maze, Ban's hits were nothing for him and he noticed that.

Spoiler: Images

 

[Calum]

Isn't Merlin still stronger than King? Or are you putting King there because disaster is broken?

Because of chastiefols second form release.

 

[Rescorlian]

It's not considered a mistake in the story though. It is a fact that he had won against him before at arm wrestling and he did it in the maze, his way of using his movement speed to destroy the wall was also similar. When they fought at Vaizel Kind did say that Ban's attacks were much faster than Mel's. The Blue Demons tried to tear Meliodas's head off, it's another matter entirely. Ban could land hits on Mel as he is now but he'd feel nothing, just like when they competed at arm wrestling in the maze, Ban's hits were nothing for him and he noticed that.

Spoiler: Images

I'm not denying that, I just say it doesn't make any sense

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 20, 2016, Original Post Date: Apr 20, 2016 ---

And now that I think about that, this should mean Ban was way stronger than Meliodas before he regained his strength. I mean Nabaka shows us that ban's speed is able to do the same result as a charged 32 000 PL Meliodas...

 

[Holt]

Ban was weaker than Mel in Vaizel, he was only faster. And honestly, I'm pretty sure that's no longer the case. Ban is fast, but Mel has too much raw power that he could simply obliterate Ban before the latter even realized it. Ban doing damage to the maze isn't exactly surprising. It's earth. What Ban simply did was hit it numerous times and faster than it could regenerate. That's why he needed tons of hits while Mel only needed one. And we just saw last chapter that he didn't notice Mel move at all. Ban is definitely fast but honestly, he can only hit Mel if the latter allows him, that's when they do they usual contest and slapping around. You only need to look at Mel vs Galan to see the difference. Mel literally slashed Galan faster than the commandments could see. Galan was completely helpless and this is someone whose reaction speed is sufficient to escape Merlin's teleportation.

 

[Rescorlian]

Yeah, actually it makes really no sense. We saw Ban was very surprised at the speed of Meliodas when attacking Balor, that means Meliodas actually is and was way faster than Ban with all of his powers back ; so Ban being able to draw in arm wrestling really doesn't make sense at all, only if Meliodas let him won

 

[Demonspeed]

That was his running speed though, it's different from movement speed when fighting. Now that Mel is at full power his running speed is way above the likes of Ban.

 

[Coné]

In terms of overall power:
1. Escanor
2. Meliodas
3. Gowther
4. Ban
5. King
6. Merlin
7. Diane

Escanor and Mel are self-explanatory.
In the latest chapter, Gowther really showed us that he could face Escanor, who was stronger than Estarrossa at the time, and even overpower him. He also has mind twisting powers and regeneration, which is pretty useful.
I'm personally an admirer of Ban's abilities. Regeneration and Hunter Fest make an awesome combo, which is enhanced by his already good physical stats.
King due to his spear and his power boost to 10000.
Merlin's magic is pretty haxed, but she doesn't have many offensive abilities in my opinion.
I'm iffy on Diane.

 

[overlordpringerx]

In terms of overall power:
1. Escanor
2. Meliodas
3. Gowther
4. Ban
5. King
6. Merlin
7. Diane

Escanor and Mel are self-explanatory.
In the latest chapter, Gowther really showed us that he could face Escanor, who was stronger than Estarrossa at the time, and even overpower him. He also has mind twisting powers and regeneration, which is pretty useful.
I'm personally an admirer of Ban's abilities. Regeneration and Hunter Fest make an awesome combo, which is enhanced by his already good physical stats.
King due to his spear and his power boost to 10000.
Merlin's magic is pretty haxed, but she doesn't have many offensive abilities in my opinion.
I'm iffy on Diane.

Wait, Escanor stronger than Estarossa? Where the hell did you get THAT from? As for Gowther going up against Escanor, I think it's pretty clear that Escy was holding back against him and only got serious at attacking the commandments

 

[Demonspeed]

In terms of overall power:
1. Escanor
2. Meliodas
3. Gowther
4. Ban
5. King
6. Merlin
7. Diane

Escanor and Mel are self-explanatory.
In the latest chapter, Gowther really showed us that he could face Escanor, who was stronger than Estarrossa at the time, and even overpower him. He also has mind twisting powers and regeneration, which is pretty useful.
I'm personally an admirer of Ban's abilities. Regeneration and Hunter Fest make an awesome combo, which is enhanced by his already good physical stats.
King due to his spear and his power boost to 10000.
Merlin's magic is pretty haxed, but she doesn't have many offensive abilities in my opinion.
I'm iffy on Diane.

It was said that Charge and Fire stored his energy during the day so that he could release it after, the PL he had when he launched it was irrelevant, his Magic, and only his Magic stat was directly compared to Estarossa.

As for strength ranking, currently mine would be:
1.Meliodas
2.Escanor
3.King
4.Gowther
5.Merlin
6.Ban
7.Diane

 

[Coné]

Wait, Escanor stronger than Estarossa? Where the hell did you get THAT from? As for Gowther going up against Escanor, I think it's pretty clear that Escy was holding back against him and only got serious at attacking the commandments

It was said that Charge and Fire stored his energy during the day so that he could release it after, the PL he had when he launched it was irrelevant, his Magic, and only his Magic stat was directly compared to Estarossa.

As for strength ranking, currently mine would be:
1.Meliodas
2.Escanor
3.King
4.Gowther
5.Merlin
6.Ban
7.Diane

Whatever, my point that Gowther's offensive abilities were comparable to Escanor's at that point stil stands.

 

[kkck]

To be honest I would put gowther at the button of the sins. His ability is powerful and works regardless of PL but I would question whether he could use it against the sins in a fair setting. And even then only nightmare teller can incapacitate a sin... Take his fight with diane. Diane was at half her strength and without a weapon and even then gowther had a bit of trouble. I would personally question whether he could land a hit on diane at full size and with a proper weapon. His best bet would be nightmare teller which is unlikely to connect or what he used against escanor but it would be tricky as well. Escanor was hit but there is also the fact that he wasn't going for gowther. Sure, gowther's techniques work or the likes of galan or a half powered escanor however the very same techniques won't be more or less effective against diane.

Ban I would put ahead of diane. Diane is a mass of physical strength, ban should be more than able to leave her completely empty. And I would put him ahead of gowther as well. He is the sin with the best reaction speed, the worst type of enemy for gowther. If even a shrunk diane could dodge the arrows then ban should be able to do even more. And of course there is the issue of ban stealing his strength.

I am not so sure of the situation between merlin and king. On one hand merlin could teleport king somewhere unless king is fast enough to dodge. Of course, he could always summon oslo to help him out. However so far the situation is not entirely clear on merlin and her ability. If it is absolute cancel then it probably means most of merlin's powers come solely from spells which on principle I would think are less than perfect replacements for actual abilities. In turn king has his disaster which works in conjunction with the sacred tree... Of course, if king uses the release then he would vastly overpower merlin as we have seen her so far.

 

[overlordpringerx]

In power
1. Day Escanor
2. Meliodas
3. Merlin
4. King
5. Diane
6. Ban
7. Gowther
8. Night Escanor
Ability
1. Escanor
2. Meliodas and King
3. Gowther and Ban
4. Merlin
5. Diane
Diversity
1. King
2. Gowther
3. Merlin
4. Ban and Meliodas
5. Escanor
6. Diane

Overall
1. Escanor
2. Meliodas
3. King
4. Ban
5. Gowther
6. Merlin
7. Diane

 

[kkck]

Whatever, my point that Gowther's offensive abilities were comparable to Escanor's at that point stil stands.

I disagree... Power is not a factor when it comes to gowther's ability. As in, to him it does not make a difference whether his target has 500, 5000, 50000 or whatever other PL. Well, except blackout arrow of course since that one has a specific PL range it is effective against. However techniques like memory wipe or nightmare teller are independent of the actual PL of the enemy.

 

[Demonspeed]

Whatever, my point that Gowther's offensive abilities were comparable to Escanor's at that point stil stands.

I didn't say anything about Gowther but his attacks were not as powerful as Escanor's. We have only hints but it is implied that Spirit is Escanor's weakest stat. And Gowther, still at 3100, was able to knock him out at 28800. When Escanor is at 50K he needs Merlin's help. His attack was enough to deal with Escanor but he was not stronger.

--- Double Post Merged, Apr 20, 2016, Original Post Date: Apr 20, 2016 ---

To be honest I would put gowther at the button of the sins. His ability is powerful and works regardless of PL but I would question whether he could use it against the sins in a fair setting. And even then only nightmare teller can incapacitate a sin... Take his fight with diane. Diane was at half her strength and without a weapon and even then gowther had a bit of trouble. I would personally question whether he could land a hit on diane at full size and with a proper weapon. His best bet would be nightmare teller which is unlikely to connect or what he used against escanor but it would be tricky as well. Escanor was hit but there is also the fact that he wasn't going for gowther. Sure, gowther's techniques work or the likes of galan or a half powered escanor however the very same techniques won't be more or less effective against diane.

Ban I would put ahead of diane. Diane is a mass of physical strength, ban should be more than able to leave her completely empty. And I would put him ahead of gowther as well. He is the sin with the best reaction speed, the worst type of enemy for gowther. If even a shrunk diane could dodge the arrows then ban should be able to do even more. And of course there is the issue of ban stealing his strength.

I am not so sure of the situation between merlin and king. On one hand merlin could teleport king somewhere unless king is fast enough to dodge. Of course, he could always summon oslo to help him out. However so far the situation is not entirely clear on merlin and her ability. If it is absolute cancel then it probably means most of merlin's powers come solely from spells which on principle I would think are less than perfect replacements for actual abilities. In turn king has his disaster which works in conjunction with the sacred tree... Of course, if king uses the release then he would vastly overpower merlin as we have seen her so far.

What do you mean by fair setting? We didn't see all of the battle but in the end Diane was under a pile of debris and victim of Lost World while Gowther was sit and panicking because he was regretting what he did. Besides the AOE Blackout all of his attacks can affect them and he showned recently that he could use Herrit to track his targets automatically.

With all the feats they have, I don't see how Merlin could beat King, maybe she can teleport him but it's not a sign of strength. And I think a fellow Sin should be able to deal with this. King has Release, that puts him way above any of the Sins besides Meliodas and Escanor.

 

[Coné]

I disagree... Power is not a factor when it comes to gowther's ability. As in, to him it does not make a difference whether his target has 500, 5000, 50000 or whatever other PL. Well, except blackout arrow of course since that one has a specific PL range it is effective against. However techniques like memory wipe or nightmare teller are independent of the actual PL of the enemy.

I'm talking about when Escanor directed his attack to the Commandments.