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He already Beat Duke. And he was not dying iirc. He even have energy to save Duke's Sister.

Was there a sign Toku wouldnt be able to perform better against Duke if that was 3 sets?
Against Duke he only brought the Black Holes for the final 2 (or 3?) games in a 1 set match.
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The only sign is from his match with Byoudouin, where we learnt that he can only use Black Holes for 30 minutes. Konomi hasn't made him play a 3 set match ever since.
 

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The reason was that he had lost "something" that he now got back since pairing with Mouri.
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My problem with ranking Tokugawa high right now is that if he plays against anyone on the top 5 spots seriously, he needs to go all out with Black Holes and likely dies in the process. At best he can keep them up for a single set but that's already forcing it imo.

...unless his evolved Asura is really that strong and can fight head on against anyone not named Byoudouin without the need of Black Holes.
I am interested more on

Tanegashima VS Oni

Can Oni's TNK + Demon Kijin overpower Tane?

Or Tane's Invisibility, Dexterity, and Flexibility too much to handle for Oni?

Also,

Are we overestimating or underestimating Duke and/or Irie?

Will Duke beat Irie Easily? Or Irie have winning conditions?

And

Yes, Byoudouin outclassed them all

34.5 Total Stats with one 10 and two 7s???
 

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Actually, Tokugawa used Black Hole to counter Duke's Homerun in the Duke Buster sequence. I had forgotten about that. What he did differently in the final games was using Black Hole offensively to not let Duke move.
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I am interested more on

Tanegashima VS Oni

Can Oni's TNK + Demon Kijin overpower Tane?

Or Tane's Invisibility, Dexterity, and Flexibility too much to handle for Oni?

Also,

Are we overestimating or underestimating Duke and/or Irie?

Will Duke beat Irie Easily? Or Irie have winning conditions?

And

Yes, Byoudouin outclassed them all

34.5 Total Stats with one 10 and two 7s???
Depends on how you interpreted:
QP vs Oni
QP vs Bismarck
Bismarck vs Tanegashima

Byoudouin's 7 in Power bugs me to no end since his profile says that his Power is a little more than average at best. I assume it raised a lot when he died.
 

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Kinda off topic.

But I think Byoudouin knows Ryoma and Tokugawa will be the Strongest Mser and Hser of Japan.

Did you guys remember when Byoudouin was willing to sacrifice himself to win against Volk?

He talked to Ryoma and Tokugawa. And said that he will lean on the two of them in the Finals. (Something like that)

That is a big statement considering all other G5 members and Top Msers are there.

But he specified Ryoma and Tokugawa
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Actually, Tokugawa used Black Hole to counter Duke's Homerun in the Duke Buster sequence. I had forgotten about that. What he did differently in the final games was using Black Hole offensively to not let Duke move.
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Depends on how you interpreted:
QP vs Oni
QP vs Bismarck
Bismarck vs Tanegashima

Byoudouin's 7 in Power bugs me to no end since his profile says that his Power is a little more than average at best. I assume it raised a lot when he died.
Yeah. But setting aside Indirect Comparison.
(Especially Both Oni and Tane lost to QP and Bismarck respectively. Lmao)

Who will have the advantage?

Tanegashima doesn't have the Power to return Oni's Power shots

On the other hand,

Oni Doesnt have the Perception and Instinct to detect Tanegashima's Invisible Ball and Invisible Existence of himself.

So, I guess it will be a stamina battle? Lol
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The reason was that he had lost "something" that he now got back since pairing with Mouri.
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My problem with ranking Tokugawa high right now is that if he plays against anyone on the top 5 spots seriously, he needs to go all out with Black Holes and likely dies in the process. At best he can keep them up for a single set but that's already forcing it imo.

...unless his evolved Asura is really that strong and can fight head on against anyone not named Byoudouin without the need of Black Holes.
Additionally on #6-#10.

Is Ohmagari really that better than Kimi, Tohno, and Mouri???

Or he is just a good doubles player.

#6-#10 is a bit ambiguous too.

How is Kimijama better than Mouri?

Mouri had a much better performance against France than Kimijama did. And Mouri Won.

But maybe Tristan > Edgar.

As for Ohmagari, is he really better than Tohno who has 7 in technique and have ton of execution methods?
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Actually, Tokugawa used Black Hole to counter Duke's Homerun in the Duke Buster sequence. I had forgotten about that. What he did differently in the final games was using Black Hole offensively to not let Duke move.
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Depends on how you interpreted:
QP vs Oni
QP vs Bismarck
Bismarck vs Tanegashima

Byoudouin's 7 in Power bugs me to no end since his profile says that his Power is a little more than average at best. I assume it raised a lot when he died.
Sometimes Coaches are wrong.

They are wrong on Duke too cause they did not research enough that he has a Kijin.

And I am very sure 99% that their stats on Irie is wrong. 2 in stamina and 1 in power? Bruh.

But they probably got Byoudoin's stat right.
 

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Kinda off topic.

But I think Byoudouin knows Ryoma and Tokugawa will be the Strongest Mser and Hser of Japan.

Did you guys remember when Byoudouin was willing to sacrifice himself to win against Volk?

He talked to Ryoma and Tokugawa. And said that he will lean on the two of them in the Finals. (Something like that)

That is a big statement considering all other G5 members and Top Msers are there.

But he specified Ryoma and Tokugawa
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Yeah. But setting aside Indirect Comparison.
(Especially Both Oni and Tane lost to QP and Bismarck respectively. Lmao)

Who will have the advantage?

Tanegashima doesn't have the Power to return Oni's Power shots

On the other hand,

Oni Doesnt have the Perception and Instinct to detect Tanegashima's Invisible Ball and Invisible Existence of himself.

So, I guess it will be a stamina battle? Lol
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Additionally on #6-#10.

Is Ohmagari really that better than Kimi, Tohno, and Mouri???

Or he is just a good doubles player.

#6-#10 is a bit ambiguous too.

How is Kimijama better than Mouri?

Mouri had a much better performance against France than Kimijama did. And Mouri Won.

But maybe Tristan > Edgar.

As for Ohmagari, is he really better than Tohno who has 7 in technique and have ton of execution methods?
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Sometimes Coaches are wrong.

They are wrong on Duke too cause they did not research enough that he has a Kijin.

And I am very sure 99% that their stats on Irie is wrong. 2 in stamina and 1 in power? Bruh.

But they probably got Byoudoin's stat right.
The problem with that argument is if we start cherry picking which stats we think are accurate then Stats as a whole become meaningless. I argue they're already meaningless as we don't have updated stats for Japan or stats for most foreign players
 

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The problem with that argument is if we start cherry picking which stats we think are accurate then Stats as a whole become meaningless. I argue they're already meaningless as we don't have updated stats for Japan or stats for most foreign players
Irie's stats proved it to be a little dubious.

But to be fair.

It is not absolute.

It is just one of Japan Coaches Kurobe Memo who estimate the stats.

He was wrong about Duke too because he doesnt know he has Kijin.

Even France Players Tristan and Timothe's stats are just estimation of Shiraishi.
 

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Do you think Ohmagari is weaker than Mouri?
 

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Do you think Ohmagari is weaker than Mouri?
Yes. Ohmagari is probably weakest G10 member

He admitted himself that Tanegashima carried him
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Kimijima is mad underrated here. He was putting up a good fight basically playing 1vs2 with those 2 having 30 total in stats.

1. Byoudouin
2. Oni
3. Tanegashima
4. Duke
5. Tokugawa (probably ends at 1 at the end of the series)
6. Kaji (can be ignored because we never saw him play)
7. Ohmagari
8. Kimijima
9. Ochi
10. Tohno
11. Mouri

Straightforward, but after Greece I think Ochi deserves a bump. Unsure about Mouri.

Edit: Oh forgot about Irie. Probably 4th place rn, 5th when Tokugawa gets buffed.
What I noticed recently is the gap between G5 is not too big.

What I meant is if Someone is Injured, a Weaker Player in the same group can beat him.

For ex:

4th or 5th Strongest Duke Can Beat #1 Strongest Byoudouin if the latter is injured.

I mean Byoudoin's Strength Gap against Duke is not enough to beat the destroyer despite the Pirate's Injury.

I mean if injured Byoudoin (after beating Volk) would fight against Duke, Oni, or Tanegashima, and even Tokugawa back in Intra Tourney. Byoudouin will lose right?

Byoudoin cannot beat his G5 peers if he is injured.
 

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What I noticed recently is the gap between G5 is not too big.

What I meant is if Someone is Injured, a Weaker Player in the same group can beat him.

For ex:

4th or 5th Strongest Duke Can Beat #1 Strongest Byoudouin if the latter is injured.

I mean Byoudoin's Strength Gap against Duke is not enough to beat the destroyer despite the Pirate's Injury.

I mean if injured Byoudoin (after beating Volk) would fight against Duke, Oni, or Tanegashima, and even Tokugawa back in Intra Tourney. Byoudouin will lose right?

Byoudoin cannot beat his G5 peers if he is injured.
Well I think it depends on the injury. Is the injury too severe that you can no longer spam your moves(OP moves) or a slight one?
For instance, the whole roof came down on Byoudouin 2yrs ago, of course, in that state he couldn't hold a candle to Duke, or against Monster Volk, he died and revived. Using 8C and spaming it on that level clearly won't let walk away unscathed. and Tokugawa's case of tanking Destruction in the stomach affected him using Black Hole as mentioned by Oni, it's a move you could only use for 30mins without hurting yourself on a level where your career would be shortened.
I think Byoudouin is head and shoulders ahead of G5, and soon,probably, Tokugawa would reach that level after his match with Medanore.
 

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Well I think it depends on the injury. Is the injury too severe that you can no longer spam your moves(OP moves) or a slight one?
For instance, the whole roof came down on Byoudouin 2yrs ago, of course, in that state he couldn't hold a candle to Duke, or against Monster Volk, he died and revived. Using 8C and spaming it on that level clearly won't let walk away unscathed. and Tokugawa's case of tanking Destruction in the stomach affected him using Black Hole as mentioned by Oni, it's a move you could only use for 30mins without hurting yourself on a level where your career would be shortened.
I think Byoudouin is head and shoulders ahead of G5, and soon,probably, Tokugawa would reach that level after his match with Medanore.
agree. Byo have 34.5 total stats. Other G5 have 26-28.

But still that gap is not enough for Byo to still win when he is heavily injured.
 

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agree. Byo have 34.5 total stats. Other G5 have 26-28.

But still that gap is not enough for Byo to still win when he is heavily injured.
I don't think even a heavily injured Volk would win.
Perhaps only Nanjirou could pull it off?
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What do you think the result would be if other G5 members played against a healthy Volk?
Could they win a set against him?
 

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What do you think the result would be if other G5 members played against a healthy Volk?
Could they win a set against him?
Very Good question

Hmm. I wonder if tanegashima, Tokugawa, Oni, and Duke can win a set against Volk.

Wild Take, maybe UA QP can win a set. MAYBE.

There are only 3 players in tourney who I think can win a set against Volk:

Byoudouin, Medanore, and Ryoga. Thats it.
 
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