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[kkck]

Welcome to the club
Your opinion on Raven is interesting, I have to admit she is one of my favorite characters in the show but you make a fair point regarding her leaving her family to go lead a band of thieves.
What do you think of Cinder? You didn't say anything about her

My main issue with raven is that she simply doesn't make sense. Survival? None of what she is doing is going to contribute to her survival in any way. To me she just seems like she has dug herself into a hole and she is actively digging harder even though she is already so deep she can't even throw the dirt outside the hole. I am just waiting for the whole thing to cave in and buries her in a stupid tomb of her own making.

Cinder? She is hawt. I also love her voice in the show (it's kinda ridiculous). I started taking her more seriously as a villain only after she killed phyrra though. TBH I want to see what her motivations are TBH. She has been present through a number of seasons but we still have no idea of why she is doing any of this. I loved the bit with raven calling her own on her name though that would have the sad implication that cinder is doing this just because... she is an egomaniac and TBH I am not a fan of that possibility.

 

[Hermit]

Cinder? She is hawt. I also love her voice in the show (it's kinda ridiculous). I started taking her more seriously as a villain only after she killed phyrra though. TBH I want to see what her motivations are TBH. She has been present through a number of seasons but we still have no idea of why she is doing any of this. I loved the bit with raven calling her own on her name though that would have the sad implication that cinder is doing this just because... she is an egomaniac and TBH I am not a fan of that possibility.

@Vici
You was saying?

 

[kkck]

@kkck I agree with you on Silver Eyes I also think that Salem is the one that created Silver Eyed Warriors to counter Maidens that was on Ozpin side ( that may explain why Ozpin don't train them with Ruby mainly because he doesn't have necessary knowledge for that )

As for Blake ( I have enjoyed her arc personally ) you are wrong Blake wasn't raised on Menagerie she was raised in WF because her parents were the leaders of this organization and they stepped down 5 years before Vol.1.

Blake escaped House when she was afterwards calling her parents cowards and join WF ( She was raised in it for her it was the life she knew she was travelling with parents from one demonstration to another around the world )

Blake said in Vol. 1 that she was born into a WF and she meant it literally.

As for the whole point, I agree that it's kinda stupid that no one was like " Belladonna that sounds familiar " << Especially someone like Weiss/Winter..

WF means white fang right? That doesn't really tell us where blake was through all of that. However it is absolutely true that blake was indeed born a member thanks to her parents. Now, that still doesn't seem to change that she was born to a relatively well off family. I mean, her dad was leader of the WF and retired to become chieftain. That doesn't scream blake personally suffered discrimination and I would argue it does suggest she was relatively well off even while protesting.

And that is another bit, no one could identify the chieftain's missing daughter who didn't even bother to change her name. In a world where the internet is a thing. There is no conceivable world where a kinda goth catgirl daughter of a country's chieftain goes missing or joins a terrorist organization and the internet doesn't have her way with her.

 

[Vici]

@Vici
You was saying?

I stay at my point :P

Imo Cinder becomes much less interesting for me when she becomes insane with Ruby.

Nice pic btw..

 

[Hermit]

I stay at my point :P

Imo Cinder becomes much less interesting for me when she becomes insane with Ruby.

Nice pic btw..

You're a lost cause
And thenks She's currently my phone wallpaper
It was Pyrrha before but I changed to Cinder last evening:

 

[Vici]

It was Pyrrha before but I changed to Cinder last evening:

She would be a hero if she didn't " took arrow in the knee " <<< yeah I know it wasn't knee :P

Pyrrha and Blake have the best official Ship name I have ever seen tbh

Honestly, I was thinking about Pyrrha some time ago but it only made me more mad towards Qrow/Ozpin tbh than Cinder :P

You're a lost cause

 

[kkck]

Technically what happened to phyrra is jaune's fault.

Ozpin: JAUNE! You have one job! You are to stand there with your shield up and do NOTHING else. It is absolutely crucial that you just stand there with your shield up.

Jaune: Sir yes SIR!

Phyrra: AAUUGHGHST!!!!1!

Jaune: turns around

Jaune: PHYRRA!

Cinder: Sup bitches! shoots fall maiden with an arrow any shield could block

Ozpin: ONE JOB!!!

Everyone but jaune gets killed.

 

[Vici]

Technically what happened to phyrra is jaune's fault.

Ozpin: JAUNE! You have one job! You are to stand there with your shield up and do NOTHING else. It is absolutely crucial that you just stand there with your shield up.

Jaune: Sir yes SIR!

Phyrra: AAUUGHGHST!!!!1!

Jaune: turns around

Jaune: PHYRRA!

Cinder: Sup bitches! shoots fall maiden with an arrow any shield could block

Ozpin: ONE JOB!!!

Everyone but jaune gets killed.

Ozpin was doing nothing at all at moment either and he knew that Jaune is shite ( I like Jaune but he wouldn't be able to block anything )

Ozpin knew that Jaune at that time :
- Doesn't how Semblance
- His fighting abilities was very low at that moment of the story

And yet he chooses him to guard without explaining anything to him ( and even so Ozpin told only half of true for Pyrrha and force decision on her as well ) he heard Pyrrha screaming from pain and didn't know the situation so yeah it was natural for him to turn back.

Ozpin after launching machine was doing nothing at all he should turn around and guard it himself.

 

[kkck]

Ozpin was doing nothing at all at moment either and he knew that Jaune is shite ( I like Jaune but he wouldn't be able to block anything )

Ozpin knew that Jaune at that time :
- Doesn't how Semblance
- His fighting abilities was very low at that moment of the story

And yet he chooses him to guard without explaining anything to him ( and even so Ozpin told only half of true for Pyrrha and force decision on her as well ) he heard Pyrrha screaming from pain and didn't know the situation so yeah it was natural for him to turn back.

Ozpin after launching machine was doing nothing at all he should turn around and guard it himself.

I would argue that is unfair towards ozpin. He didn't "chose" jaune to guard, jaune was the only person there. Meanwhile ozpin was the only one who could carry out the procedure. He is the one that is supposed to be making sure it all works out well. he is the one that is supposed to stop it if for some reason it seems like it is going wrong. When phyrra screamed ozpin did exactly what he should do (check phyrra). Sure, they had the procedure to transfer aura however the fact remains that the procedure had never been tested before so ozpin keeping his eye on phyrra is the bare minimum. Meanwhile jaune stopped doing his one job. If jaune had been doing his job he would have been able to get tell ozpin someone was there and the whole thing would have been avoided altogether.

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Another thing.... does anyone buy the whole thing with oscar and ozpin "fusing"? How would that even work? If ozpin is thousands of years old then he he must have had potentially tens of hosts and more. Ozpin doesn't particularly strike me as a guy who is made out of a collective of personalities even while alive. How would such a man even work? Ozpin has made the point. There is an episode where blake talks about reading a book of a man with two souls and their battle... I am thinking that was meant to be foreshadowing of ozpin. And the battle he is going to have with oscar over his body. And the consequence of losing the battle for control is death.

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Another thing that annoys me about Raven: One of the things that was mentioned earlier was that tai liked her ambition. However not one of the times we have seen her evidence a speck of it. Her only objective seems to be to be a bitch towards her family and rot away with her filthy tribe of thieves and kidnappers in the woods. Maybe in time she will show some ambition but as of now the bit about her being ambitious seems to be a lie or a misconception.

 

[Vici]

I don't buy that Ozpin fusing thing IMO he's a parasite he's going to erase Oscar in time and took total control over him..

Nothing leads that he has fused with numerous personalities just like you point out more like erased them ( That my take on that matter )

Ozpin we have seen to the end of Vol.3 was Ozpin all the time I didn't see any weird behaviour etc. which would suggest that he shares a body with someone.

Blake Book may be about Ozpin past ( We will see when she will hear about Ozpin ) but it could be also a reference for Jekyll & Hyde.

What I find also strange is that Ozpin make Relic in Haven hard to Get ( The one he was guarding all the time ) while others probably just need Maiden so basically if some Maiden went Rogue In Vacuo/Atlas/Haven they could take Relic for themselves without problems and walk away before someone will know what's happening. << and guess what Raven may just steal Relic and ran away for Tai in 1 second ( just for example )

I also don't see that ambition in Raven who knows maybe she was always that way or something happens that just take away her will to fight and change it into a fear and to survive at any cost..

Her plan ( if she really going with what she said ) is also pretty stupid tbh if she wants to survive and protect her tribe there is no better thing than becoming an enemy of everyone..

 

[kkck]

I don't buy that Ozpin fusing thing IMO he's a parasite he's going to erase Oscar in time and took total control over him..

Nothing leads that he has fused with numerous personalities just like you point out more like erased them ( That my take on that matter )

Ozpin we have seen to the end of Vol.3 was Ozpin all the time I didn't see any weird behaviour etc. which would suggest that he shares a body with someone.

Blake Book may be about Ozpin past ( We will see when she will hear about Ozpin ) but it could be also a reference for Jekyll & Hyde.

What I find also strange is that Ozpin make Relic in Haven hard to Get ( The one he was guarding all the time ) while others probably just need Maiden so basically if some Maiden went Rogue In Vacuo/Atlas/Haven they could take Relic for themselves without problems and walk away before someone will know what's happening. << and guess what Raven may just steal Relic and ran away for Tai in 1 second ( just for example )

I also don't see that ambition in Raven who knows maybe she was always that way or something happens that just take away her will to fight and change it into a fear and to survive at any cost..

Her plan ( if she really going with what she said ) is also pretty stupid tbh if she wants to survive and protect her tribe there is no better thing than becoming an enemy of everyone..

If ozpin really is a hazard to oscar then perhaps we will see something different with him this time around... If they fight for control then perhaps we will see ozpin forsake it and finally pass on while leaving behind his knowledge and skill for oscar to use. That said, this would be all too similar to BNHA....

Yeah, the haven bit was weird.... You'd think that if extra security measures could be added then all academies should have them. On the other hand perhaps the extra security he mentioned was a countermeasure to the fall maiden's powers being in the enemy's possession and nothing more.

 

[Vici]

If Ozpin was telling a true ( I'm taking what He and Qrow saying as half lies tbh ) and he was Cursed I don't think that he's able to do that..

This may be his punishment to take innocent life everytime he fails + the lives of people that will be lost with his another attempt.

There's even a Soundtrack I think that is basically Salem saying Ozpin how many lives he has sacrificed for his goals.

I agree it makes sense that after they have found Amber they put that special defence and in other Vaults they just didn't make it in time.

I Wonder if we will find out from where Faunus are from we have been told how Humans were created but for Faunus, we just have " They exist as long as Humans or maybe even longer "

 

[Hermit]

 

[Doughboy]

Episode 10 was great, every episode with extended action is great. Sun vs. Ilya was dope. The problem I see around with this volume is there's no fighting and just sitting around discussing and planning, and even when there's fighting they stop mid-way and talk for the rest of the episode. I like this volume alot though, I rather we knock out the technical stuff now so Volume 6 is straight warfare. The Ozpin stuff is good to understand while the maiden stuff we didn't get much new info. Also Ruby's team training is probably gonna be off-screened for the most part.

I have a feeling if Raven encounters Qrow at the ambush Cinder and the others are setting up talk no jutsu could be what saves Qrow, even if him and Oz are already suspicious. Raven is only out for her tribe but idk she gives me a vibe she isn't a trash human being. Could of killed Yang after she refused to join her but didn't. Blake is god too.... her leading the Faunus charge to Haven against Adam and the White Fang is gonna wild.

 

[Vici]

Blake is god too.... her leading the Faunus charge to Haven against Adam and the White Fang is gonna wild.

If Haven will be concluded then the next won't be warfare more like setup for Vacuo/Atlas with one big fight still you are better than most people that since Vol.3 expect every volume to be like 4 last episodes in vol.3

I don't mind talking but aside from few important points we get next to nothing RW_Y side of story lacks so far but now it will pick up and move fast forward
Some of the scenes could be not shown or written better :

- Cut Raven and Cinder scene at Raven saying " You have to give me more " << Let us theorise etc.
- Make RW_Y and Jaune ask more questions and important question on that ( It took 1 month for Ruby group to ask about relic in Beacon ) yet no info about : Silver Eyes, Summer , Salem Group ( which Ozpin knows quite well seriously if he know Hazel than tell Ruby and rest how to fight him ) , Yang asking Ozpin why did he agree to train both Qrow and Raven if they goal was to hunt other Huntsman
etc.

Ruby training was already off-screened because it's one day before the attack so it was full month already ( just don't make now Ruby an expert in Hand to Hand combat in a matter of 30 days )

We will probably see now RW_Y side in two episodes and in episode 13 ( or late 12 ) Blake will arrive << I would be surprised if she would make it in time and tbh her arriving in time would mean that Raven/Cinder plan to ambush and WF attack will be compromised

 

[kkck]

Regardless of how the minstral battle ends I would argue the next arc should focus on getting all of humanity to stand against selma. There has been too much secrecy about this to begin with and even narrator selma acknowledges humanity is a threat when united. The minstral battle, regardless of its outcome should be the wake up call humanity missed when beacon fell. Of course, we don't really know what exactly selma and her servants have planned, ideally they break humanity further, but I really don't buy continued success in that specific endeavor.

TBH I I am not particularly surprised that ozpin chose to train raven and qrow. Ozpin is by no means a saint, he is highly secretive and even manipulative, however even in spite of that we don't have any reason to think he is malevolent. Ozpin strikes me as the type that would at least over time get an idea of who qrow and raven were and took them in spite of that and perhaps even because of that. Wanting to help them, them to be the best version of themselves, wanting them to protect humanity, wanting good soldiers... All of those fit well into what oz normally shows.

As for why oz gave the kids the ability to turn into birds, I have a crackpot theory. He meant for both of them to be spies. With qrow this is evident because he was actually doing enemy reckon before he was introduced. But transforming into birds is effective because it makes them smaller, inconspicuous and perhaps more importantly it makes them unlikely targets for grim. Grim only attack humans (and faunist I guess) meaning that turning into birds is just about an ideal skill to spy on them and selma.

I am thinking that blake will not arrive early to minstral TBH. She will likely arrive after things have already started.

I wonder how different the minstral plan is from the beacon plan. When beacon fell they set everything up so as to attract grim and even turn the military on the populace. However in minstral things are somewhat different... There are far more natural barriers against grim.... With the headmaster being controlled of course then there is also virtually no end to how security could have been compromised though and to boot we don't even know what other security minstral has. There is also the issue that grim can live underground for long periods of time and minstral is built on mountains...

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Two more things:

What happened to roman's body after it got eaten? The grim that ate him vanished almost immediately and yet we didn't see roman's body. Is this lazyness on the animator's part or does this perhaps have some greater meaning to the story?

And another, what is the deal with oz' cane? Supposedly it stores time which kinda makes sense with how he fought cinder. I guess I am somewhat worried when it comes to time travel's effect on the plot. If oz gets a time travel freeby then he can do potentially anything with that freeby. Say, rescue phyrra or perhaps undo some other important event.... The potential for time travel shenanigans is not welcomed.

 

[Doughboy]

@kkck Roman got gobbled up whole from that grimm, he's dead dead. What episode was it mentioned Ozpin's cane can store time? But it's supposedly what allows him to use magic if I remember right

 

[kkck]

@kkck Roman got gobbled up whole from that grimm, he's dead dead. What episode was it mentioned Ozpin's cane can store time? But it's supposedly what allows him to use magic if I remember right

I just found it weird that after the grim's body evaporated it didn't leave roman's corpse behind. Grim are not believed to require sustenance so him being digested that fast seems odd.

I saw the bit about it storing time on the wikia but the source was from the people who made the show apparently. The series has not gone into detail regarding the cane.

 

[Vici]

3 More hours till attack on Haven will start

And I agree that Battle in Haven is really important if Haven gets destroyed and the news around the world will send that's WF doing again than I see Humans unite but not against an enemy they should but against any Faunus ( for example we could get a home war in Vacuo if that happens )..

Haven is even defended much weaker than Beacon tbh aside from Ruby and others the only Hunstamanthat are there probably are from Sun team while other students are away and professional Hunters were killed off by Grimms/WF..

I stay on my earlier point that Relic will be gone but Haven itself will be saved mainly because to unite both Humans and Faunus ( the one that following Blake ) in order to survive just like it was in the past..

Dunno about Cane there wasn't such info in any WOR I think and I don't remember Miles or Kerry saying something like that ( not saying it right but can confirm also :P )

We didn't see the body of Grimm that ate Roman ( Ruby kicked him into the ship ) so we can't know and we know too little about the Grimm, to begin with expect even WOR about them give more questions then answers we will probably get more lore in this one once the story will progress.

I'm the only one that thinks that Hazel is a Werewolf and that's why they mainly want to strike at full moon..There must be a reason why they going to attack at that time exactly it's brought to many times to not have anything to do with a fight.

 

[kkck]

3 More hours till attack on Haven will start

And I agree that Battle in Haven is really important if Haven gets destroyed and the news around the world will send that's WF doing again than I see Humans unite but not against an enemy they should but against any Faunus ( for example we could get a home war in Vacuo if that happens )..

Haven is even defended much weaker than Beacon tbh aside from Ruby and others the only Hunstamanthat are there probably are from Sun team while other students are away and professional Hunters were killed off by Grimms/WF..

I stay on my earlier point that Relic will be gone but Haven itself will be saved mainly because to unite both Humans and Faunus ( the one that following Blake ) in order to survive just like it was in the past..

Dunno about Cane there wasn't such info in any WOR I think and I don't remember Miles or Kerry saying something like that ( not saying it right but can confirm also :P )

We didn't see the body of Grimm that ate Roman ( Ruby kicked him into the ship ) so we can't know and we know too little about the Grimm, to begin with expect even WOR about them give more questions then answers we will probably get more lore in this one once the story will progress.

I'm the only one that thinks that Hazel is a Werewolf and that's why they mainly want to strike at full moon..There must be a reason why they going to attack at that time exactly it's brought to many times to not have anything to do with a fight.

Ah, you are right, she just kicked the grimm into something that exploded. For some reason I remembered that differently....

I am still trying to find some hint at what the plan in haven is but so far there is nothing.... Looking at beacon the plan was to basically turn every asset beacon had against it. They used the championship meant to unite people as a..... beacon to attract grim, they hacked the military robots and turned them against the populace and then went for the relic. I don't really expect things to be exactly the same of course but overall the modus operandi should be the same, turning assets into disadvantages and calling in a bunch of grim.

However so far we have seen very little of what make up haven's defenses. At least nothing that could be turned against haven seems immediately obvious. More so, haven has the best natural defenses to keep grim away. Anyways, crackpot theory: The only thing that seems to stand out in haven right now is the missing hunters. And perhaps the students that haven't gone to class yet. Could they have brainwashed or possessed the hunters and plan to unleash them on the populace? That would be quite brutal and in many ways worst than the grim army at beacon. If they somehow manage to get grimm within haven, from a tunnel or cave or mine, then odds are the natural barriers within haven would in turn work to keep people inside. IIRC there was some other instance of humanity digging too deep and grim coming out of the hole, something similar seems plausible in haven.