TV RWBY

[Valhalla]

I said i would give my overall thoughts after the final episode of vol 5, but @Emperor Spriggan kindly insists that i share my thoughts now
well here you go
episode 12:

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• the fights were cool still i wanted more, i miss you Monty
• wasnt suprised with Hazel story since i read a few reddit theories which came almost true, guess we can predict RWBY now if we just follow fairy tales
• Weiss being saved was expected, they woudlnt just kill the fan fav that is the most developed (though who knows)
• didnt mind Jaune's semblance since after he revealed it, it hit me like thunder that it was actually hinted at from the start (the cut on his face healing in vol 1 and his role in the game as a buffer)
• didnt mind Jaune healing Weiss
• Oz is the man, has dem skills even in a boys body, or should i say Oscar is becoming very cool, though i was fearing a bit of the notorious talk-no-justu
• Qrow do something, where is the epicness of your scythe mastery, i need your drunk ass back in the game pronto (hes my fav character so ....)
• The vault was awesome
• Cinder being as dumb as she is arrogant is always awesome
• Cinder not thinking about the consequences when killing a maiden
• Cinder dear, you have to first steal the powers then you can kill the girl
• and now we have Raven becoming the spring maiden since Vernal's power transfered to her (i think Vernal's last thought was Raven so the power transfered, right ... Raven being the spring maiden from the get go is dumb),
• nice Cinder you just made someone that could match you now, im hyped to see the fight, it will be Oz vs Cinder all over again but so much more epic since its a full on maiden battle
• Raven becoming the spring maiden is a death sign for her, she wont leave the series alive, since im 100% sure the power will transfer to Yang after she dies, its obvious

overall very awesome episode, this is what i wanted from vol 5, not that talking and stalling we got in its first half

 

[Arjuna]

Wait did the volume end?

 

[Hermit]

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Except that Salem forces are the main plot of this story... and no so far no one has an attachment to any of them bar Jaune to Cinder.. and Blake is written off from it that's my problem it's not about shine but about being relevant and Ren with his great speeches is far more relevant at this moment that she is to the main plot of the story...


it's like you would write off Naruto from whole war arc because it wasn't his time to shine :P and bring him only to last 10 chapters

I legit have no idea what Ren and Nora are doing in that room right now
Yang has an attachment to Mercury
But yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's frustrating as a Blake fan having her miss out on all the action But we're getting Cinder so

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Wait did the volume end?

2 more episodes.

• and now we have Raven becoming the spring maiden since Vernal's power transfered to her (i think Vernal's last thought was Raven so the power transfered, right ... Raven being the spring maiden from the get go is dumb),

• nice Cinder you just made someone that could match you now, im hyped to see the fight, it will be Oz vs Cinder all over again but so much more epic since its a full on maiden battle

• Raven becoming the spring maiden is a death sign for her, she wont leave the series alive, since im 100% sure the power will transfer to Yang after she dies, its obvious

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My boy
Raven was the Spring Maiden from the beginning, she fooled everyone that it was Vernal while she had herself as the real Maiden. The power can't have transferred from where she was killed because I don't think Raven expected her to be the last thought of Vernal. What if she had died elsewhere away from Raven?
Agreed on Yang becoming the Spring Maiden though, I thought Raven being the Maiden was a sign that she wouldn't die. But a Yang vs Raven confrontation is inevitable at this point in the series.

 

[Vici]

I legit have no idea what Ren and Nora are doing in that room right now

Ren giving deep life advices

But yeah, I get where you're coming from. It's frustrating as a Blake fan having her miss out on all the action

Don't get me wrong I have fully enjoy that episode ( unlike previous one ) it just hurts that they keeping Blake out of main plot and at the same time destroying her whole arc that lasts 2 volumes ( Sure development of Blake and growth is there which I'm happy but her goal was to defend Haven which she's failing atm )


We should seriously see her at least fighting with the WF in next episode 1 minute I don't ask for much ...

But we're getting Cinder so

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She's a half Grimm move one :P ( also called it just like SE not being against Maidens but Grimms )

Okay Raven situation just further proves that Ozpin was using Pyrrha because Glynda could very well also become a Maiden but unlike Pyrrha, she wasn't expendable

 

[Hermit]

Ren giving deep life advices

Don't get me wrong I have fully enjoy that episode ( unlike previous one ) it just hurts that they keeping Blake out of main plot and at the same time destroying her whole arc that lasts 2 volumes ( Sure development of Blake and growth is there which I'm happy but her goal was to defend Haven which she's failing atm )


We should seriously see her at least fighting with the WF in next episode 1 minute I don't ask for much ...

Yeah, I can see the logic behind this. Tbh to me it feels like it should be all of Team RWBY in that room right now.

She's a half Grimm move one :P ( also called it just like SE not being against Maidens but Grimms )

Okay Raven situation just further proves that Ozpin was using Pyrrha because Glynda could very well also become a Maiden but unlike Pyrrha, she wasn't expendable

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[Valhalla]

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My boy
Raven was the Spring Maiden from the beginning, she fooled everyone that it was Vernal while she had herself as the real Maiden. The power can't have transferred from where she was killed because I don't think Raven expected her to be the last thought of Vernal. What if she had died elsewhere away from Raven?

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But then its a retcon to me. They changed the initial info about Vernal and Revan story in a unlogical way. If its true that Raven was the spring maiden from the get go, i need further explanations in the next two episodes.

We know that Raven attended Beacon with her brother when she was young and we know that the spring maiden attended Haven 10 years before vol 5. How is it possible that common knowledge like who is the spring maiden in the inner circle of Oz's team is not known, and how can Haven academy which was guided by Oz back in the day mistake a random girl for a maiden. If Raven was the spring maiden from beginning, how is it possible that Leo doesnt recognize her as the maiden?
Ozpin would know if Raven was the maiden when she was in Beacon since he transfered part of his power to her. If Raven was the maiden why didnt Oz or Qrow or even Leo tell the group that Raven was the maiden? She was loyal to Oz back in the day, i dont think she would have kept that info for herself, even so Oz would have known.

The power transfer goes as follow: When the maiden dies, the last person they really care about and is in their final thoughts recieves the power of the maiden. Wouldnt it be logical that Vernal's final thoughts were about her "mother" Raven who raised her. Of course, Raven wouldnt know that, but the transfer was now the perfect gift from Vernal to Raven to kick Cinders ass. Right

Just my thoughts

 

[Vici]

TBH I don't wanna anyone from team RWBY become a maiden it would just ruin fights in the show for me somehow are would gain similar abilities etc. and won't used they basic abilities that can be used well in team fights..

Still, I don't mind Yang being Maiden but then only her ( that would leave only Blake without any power-up in series )

I would much prefer for team RWBY to collect Relics tbh ( if they are items, not persons )
Yang = Destruction
Weiss = Creation
Blake = Knowledge/Choice
Ruby = Knowledge/Choice

Small thing to point out that Raven still cares about Yang she looked at her before entering the Vault and shake her head which means " You could be with me at my side " I still think that Raven will end up sacrifice herself for Yang.

Not only that but she also observes Yang whole time and know about Yang struggles and life she said in this Volume to Yang while Weiss was trying to calm her down " Listen to your teammates Yang they never let you down " with sarcastic smile which means that she was observing Yang and here she was talking about Blake leaving her.

Still what remains to be seen is the reason why she left her is remain to be unseen.

 

[kkck]

So all the predicted stuff happened. That's good and bad. Anyways, still haven't seen the episode but i am looking forward to it.

 

[Hermit]

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But then its a retcon to me. They changed the initial info about Vernal and Revan story in a unlogical way. If its true that Raven was the spring maiden from the get go, i need further explanations in the next two episodes.

We know that Raven attended Beacon with her brother when she was young and we know that the spring maiden attended Haven 10 years before vol 5. How is it possible that common knowledge like who is the spring maiden in the inner circle of Oz's team is not known, and how can Haven academy which was guided by Oz back in the day mistake a random girl for a maiden. If Raven was the spring maiden from beginning, how is it possible that Leo doesnt recognize her as the maiden?
Ozpin would know if Raven was the maiden when she was in Beacon since he transfered part of his power to her. If Raven was the maiden why didnt Oz or Qrow or even Leo tell the group that Raven was the maiden? She was loyal to Oz back in the day, i dont think she would have kept that info for herself, even so Oz would have known.

The power transfer goes as follow: When the maiden dies, the last person they really care about and is in their final thoughts recieves the power of the maiden. Wouldnt it be logical that Vernal's final thoughts were about her "mother" Raven who raised her. Of course, Raven wouldnt know that, but the transfer was now the perfect gift from Vernal to Raven to kick Cinders ass. Right

Just my thoughts

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Ok, Im confused now.
Because on Tumblr everyone is convinced that Raven was the Spring Maiden from the get go, but you make a really strong point about the power moving to her after Vernal died.
Would Cinder really be careless enough not to know that powers transfer to the last person you think of? Considering she already took the power from one Maiden, that seems like a really huge mistake for her to make. Not to mention she would obviously expect that Vernal always has Raven in her thoughts, so if she wanted to get the powers she should have just separated the two and killed Vernal away from Raven.
Right now to me it seems more impressive if Raven had everyone played for fools having them think Vernal was the Maiden compared to the power transferring to her. Idk, I feel so lost

 

[Vici]

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Ok, Im confused now.
Because on Tumblr everyone is convinced that Raven was the Spring Maiden from the get go, but you make a really strong point about the power moving to her after Vernal died.
Would Cinder really be careless enough not to know that powers transfer to the last person you think of? Considering she already took the power from one Maiden, that seems like a really huge mistake for her to make. Not to mention she would obviously expect that Vernal always has Raven in her thoughts, so if she wanted to get the powers she should have just separated the two and killed Vernal away from Raven.
Right now to me it seems more impressive if Raven had everyone played for fools having them think Vernal was the Maiden compared to the power transferring to her. Idk, I feel so lost

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Raven was the Maiden all along there was not transferring between Vernal and Raven << It Vernal would be a Maiden then her powers would go to Cinder because she was using that Grimms powers again to steal it...

Raven left Qrow/Yang/Ozpin Circle and others around 18/19 years ago ( dunno how old Yang is :P ) and the Spring Maiden went missing 10 years ago as mentioned by Qrow and Leo so 10 years ago ( or maybe slightly later ) Raven either killed Maiden and gain powers or Maiden join her tribe and the dies for Raven in some fight

Why Vernal exist then Raven knew that Salem will find her so she needed some card to play with her for time " We have planned for this "

 

[Hermit]

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Raven was the Maiden all along there was not transferring between Vernal and Raven << It Vernal would be a Maiden then her powers would go to Cinder because she was using that Grimms powers again to steal it...

Raven left Qrow/Yang/Ozpin Circle and others around 18/19 years ago ( dunno how old Yang is :P ) and the Spring Maiden went missing 10 years ago as mentioned by Qrow and Leo so 10 years ago ( or maybe slightly later ) Raven either killed Maiden and gain powers or Maiden join her tribe and the dies for Raven in some fight

Why Vernal exist then Raven knew that Salem will find her so she needed some card to play with her for time " We have planned for this "

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Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well. Raven was intending on always using Vernal as a sacrificial piece. And Vernal knew this, but was always fully prepared to die for the cause of Raven and the tribe. Cinder using a Grimm arm to steal Maiden's power is so clever since she'd expect that the last person Vernal thinks about is Raven.

@kkck Did you manage to watch the episode yet?

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@Mononoke

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[Vici]

@Emperor Spriggan

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PS: Ozpin Cane is the key to the Vault seeing how Leo has opened the Vault in Haven

Still, dunno where Ozpin has hidden it but opinion is :

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Which would make sense why Tai is never leaving Patch he's a member of Ozpin Group and protecting it

 

[Valhalla]

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Ok, Im confused now.
Because on Tumblr everyone is convinced that Raven was the Spring Maiden from the get go, but you make a really strong point about the power moving to her after Vernal died.
Would Cinder really be careless enough not to know that powers transfer to the last person you think of? Considering she already took the power from one Maiden, that seems like a really huge mistake for her to make. Not to mention she would obviously expect that Vernal always has Raven in her thoughts, so if she wanted to get the powers she should have just separated the two and killed Vernal away from Raven.
Right now to me it seems more impressive if Raven had everyone played for fools having them think Vernal was the Maiden compared to the power transferring to her. Idk, I feel so lost

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Raven was the Maiden all along there was not transferring between Vernal and Raven << It Vernal would be a Maiden then her powers would go to Cinder because she was using that Grimms powers again to steal it...

Raven left Qrow/Yang/Ozpin Circle and others around 18/19 years ago ( dunno how old Yang is :P ) and the Spring Maiden went missing 10 years ago as mentioned by Qrow and Leo so 10 years ago ( or maybe slightly later ) Raven either killed Maiden and gain powers or Maiden join her tribe and the dies for Raven in some fight

Why Vernal exist then Raven knew that Salem will find her so she needed some card to play with her for time " We have planned for this "

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Yeah, you guys are probably right about Raven. Thats just me overanalyzing stuff again as usual
Still i will need a detailed explanation about her being a maiden.

As for the next episode im expecting something even more epic than this:

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They better step up their game with the fighting in the next episode im hyped

 

[Vici]

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Yeah, you guys are probably right about Raven. Thats just me overanalyzing stuff again as usual
Still i will need a detailed explanation about her being a maiden.

As for the next episode im expecting something even more epic than this:

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They better step up their game with the fighting next episode im hyped

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I actually think that this fight may go the same way like Cinder vs Ozpin exactly we will be shown few seconds and then cut to something else

I was thinking at the start that Raven leaving Yang may be explained by her being a Maiden and that she knew what does it mean ( that she will be targeted and used by Salem/Ozpin ) but the timelines don't fit quite exactly in this but it's still possible nevertheless

 

[Hermit]

Still, dunno where Ozpin has hidden it but opinion is :

Which would make sense why Tai is never leaving Patch he's a member of Ozpin Group and protecting it

Yep, which means that Tai is going to die at the hands of Salem. She's going to realize where the relic is and go out to get it by herself. Tai doesn't stand a chance against Salem by himself.
I think the series is going to end with all the members of Team STRQ dead. @Valhalla777 They're the Marauders of RWBY

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Some scenes from the last episode, because it was just that awesome

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Spoiler: Ruby

Also, some food for thought about Cinder:

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What she did in this episode makes me think. So its possible for one Maiden to host the powers of another one? I did expect her to betray Raven, but I was more surprised that she tried stealing the Spring Maiden's power while being the Fall Maiden. I thought that she would give the power to someone like Emerald. Does this mean by the end of the series the Maiden powers will all be in one person?

 

[Arjuna]

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Pretty good episode.

We got to know what was the history between Hazel and Ozpin.So Hazel is not from the past like I thought.


Raven is the Spring Maiden actually.Whoever predicted it,probably Kkck kudos to him or her.

Hype Raven vs Cinder.

 

[Vici]

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Raven is the Spring Maiden actually.Whoever predicted it,probably Kkck kudos to him or her.

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I'm so underrated not to mention whole Grimm thing :P

@Emperor Spriggan

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First of all it may be only possible for Cinder because she isn't Human anymore and dunno what weirder shit Salem have put in her

Also Look like Cinder will probably learn how to protect herself from SE because Salen said " If Ruby Rose learnt how to use her gift you will learn how to protect yours "

Another point is that half of Cinder Face and Arm isn't protected by Aura because Grimms doesn't have one >> I can see Raven cut her hand without problem

 

[Hermit]

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I'm so underrated not to mention whole Grimm thing :P

@Emperor Spriggan

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First of all it may be only possible for Cinder because she isn't Human anymore and dunno what weirder shit Salem have put in her

Also Look like Cinder will probably learn how to protect herself from SE because Salen said " If Ruby Rose learnt how to use her gift you will learn how to protect yours "

Another point is that half of Cinder Face and Arm isn't protected by Aura because Grimms doesn't have one >> I can see Raven cut her hand without problem

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I think she just has Grimm body parts implanted into her. Like some sort of Hybrid? She's still human, but yeah this is probably just one huge experiment for Salem. Which means at the end Cinder is going to die
Eh the only way I can see Cinder protecting herself from SE is if all her body parts are exorcised, the grimm ones. Those eyes are WAY too hax to find a counter against. Unless Silver Eyes can counter other Silver Eyes

 

[Vici]

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I think she just has Grimm body parts implanted into her. Like some sort of Hybrid? She's still human, but yeah this is probably just one huge experiment for Salem. Which means at the end Cinder is going to die
Eh the only way I can see Cinder protecting herself from SE is if all her body parts are exorcised, the grimm ones. Those eyes are WAY too hax to find a counter against. Unless Silver Eyes can counter other Silver Eyes

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She has literally Grimm inside her.

The bug she used in Vol.3

I can see her become Grimm like as the story will progress even ending arc showed her arm under " Evolution "

Cinder dying is pretty obvious Adam have more chances to redeem himself than her ( I think that Adam will die but first will be beaten by Blake and someone and spare and later in the story, he will die for Blake/Yang case just so he can die as a person )

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[Hermit]

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She has literally Grimm inside her.

The bug she used in Vol.3

I can see her become Grimm like as the story will progress even ending arc showed her arm under " Evolution "

Cinder dying is pretty obvious Adam have more chances to redeem himself than her ( I think that Adam will die but first will be beaten by Blake and someone and spare and later in the story, he will die for Blake/Yang case just so he can die as a person )

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Yet you were salty she isn't doing anything