Discussion Sabo Thread

[Schabrak]

The question is, if he is alive, why:
- Didn't he say anything to Luffy / Ace
- Didn't try to reach Ace when he became famous
- Didn't try to save Ace

Everything following this sentence is theory:

A new life as a revolutionary had him tied to the cause of freeing people, the same reason Dragon never met with Luffy in person. Did he really have a reason to meet up with Ace, when he had a job to be done with absolute devotion, when both were still so young, when they still had decades to meet up.
The same reason, his devotion to free thousands of people, instead of a single one, a reasonable reason, which so many people here try not to mention.
What would a single person do, if there was a gigantic fleet of mighty pirates on the way to help Ace already, his family, his father and an army of nakama. Should he just leave his important position, just to risk exposure to the world?

People, think rational before repeating things again and again. And as mentioned before, amnesia is the worst plot device every created, I pray that Oda will never use it in his plot.

 

[Jammin]

Everything following this sentence is theory:

A new life as a revolutionary had him tied to the cause of freeing people, the same reason Dragon never met with Luffy in person. Did he really have a reason to meet up with Ace, when he had a job to be done with absolute devotion, when both were still so young, when they still had decades to meet up.
The same reason, his devotion to free thousands of people, instead of a single one, a reasonable reason, which so many people here try not to mention.
What would a single person do, if there was a gigantic fleet of mighty pirates on the way to help Ace already, his family, his father and an army of nakama. Should he just leave his important position, just to risk exposure to the world?

People, think rational before repeating things again and again. And as mentioned before, amnesia is the worst plot device every created, I pray that Oda will never use it in his plot.

What did Luffy do the moment he found out Ace was to be executed? What would Ace have done if his and Luffy's position were reversed?

Ace was just as important to Sabo as he was to Luffy, all three of them were brothers after all. That is what makes him rationally choosing not to go try and help Ace for ANY reason seem so too far fetched. Luffy had important things to do and was well aware that he wasn't strong enough to take on an Admiral but nothing was more important to him than his brother's life from what we know about Sabo the same should have been true of him if he were alive/aware of his past.

The idea of him staying on the sidelines for the sake of something more important than his brother's life is like the opposite of Oda's writing style. Rationality doesn't even enter into it. I thought Oda hammered pretty hard on the point that there was nothing Luffy, Ace, and Sabo wouldn't have done for one another.

 

[kkck]

Maybe sabo did not go there because it was physically impossible to do so. Say he was in the north blue as he found out what happened to ace. Even if he had the entire week before the announcement to get to him, it is impossible to travel the GL so fast.

 

[Schabrak]

The idea of him staying on the sidelines for the sake of something more important than his brother's life is like the opposite of Oda's writing style. Rationality doesn't even enter into it. I thought Oda hammered pretty hard on the point that there was nothing Luffy, Ace, and Sabo wouldn't have done for one another.

What does his writing style has to do with presenting an extraordinary plot? It was Oda that showed Luffy believe in Ace, not going to help him, when he first saw the vivre card burning. :/ Dragon[revolutionaries], Law[pirate], the Gorousei[WG] have also shown rationalism; writing style != rationalism, it's just some characters being led by their feelings, while others are more calm and think things over.

Wasn't it Oda, who showed us that people can change, have goals, they would do anything for? They stay seperated for two years, because they are led bei their rationalism, instead of following their feelings and meet up right now.

 

[El-Thor]

I have a theory about Sabo. It's pretty outlandish but here goes (it's also kinda short, hahah)

I think that Sabo's life was spared when his ship exploded because he was protected by a burst of Haki similar to what Ace and Luffy did. If you look at the last panel, Sabo's expression is similar to the expressions Luffy and Ace had when they released their Haki. Now, I understand his look can just be one of anger towards the Noble firing at him, but my theory/hope is that he used Haki to deflect the blast.

If Sabo is alive, then why didn't he contact Ace and Luffy since he must have seen their wanted posters ? It's because Sabo is in a coma. I think his Haki was enough to protect himself, but he still sustained some damage and went into a coma. He probably floated to an island where he was picked up by the inhabitants and that's where he is now. Hopefully he will wake up within the next two years and learn about everything that's happened.

 

[Black Lagoon]

Maybe sabo did not go there because it was physically impossible to do so. Say he was in the north blue as he found out what happened to ace. Even if he had the entire week before the announcement to get to him, it is impossible to travel the GL so fast.

Agreed, but why didn't he contact them since he must have seen their wanted posters? Since those who witnessed his death think that he´s dead, what would Luffy and Ace think? So if he is alive he must have at least tried to get in contact with them, because they are more than simple brothers.
As I said before, unless he has amnesia IMO he´s dead.

What does his writing style has to do with presenting an extraordinary plot? It was Oda that showed Luffy believe in Ace, not going to help him, when he first saw the vivre card burning. :/ Dragon[revolutionaries], Law[pirate], the Gorousei[WG] have also shown rationalism; writing style != rationalism, it's just some characters being led by their feelings, while others are more calm and think things over.

Wasn't it Oda, who showed us that people can change, have goals, they would do anything for? They stay seperated for two years, because they are led bei their rationalism, instead of following their feelings and meet up right now.

It has nothing to do with Oda´s writing style or anything, as I said to kkck and as Jammin said, they are more than simple brothers and there´s absolutely nothing they wouldn't have done for one another, no matter what business they are in, their real business is to maintain and look for one another (Not literally, but if one of them is in trouble ... You know what they would do )

 

[Schabrak]

What proof do you have for your claim of absolute brotherliness after all those years? How can you claim them/Sabi staying the same.

If you haven't noticed, Revolutionaries have/had to stay hidden so they wont get exposed to the World Government/Marines. Dragon still didn't get it touch with Luffy. Why do you think they use those special snails and radios to communicate? That would be a reason, for not getting in contact with Ace or Luffy. Just because you can't think of him acting so rational in such situation[ he would probably just be a small fly himself compared to WB, I don't want to repeat myself...], hell I would react just a Luffy did too[under the condition I'm not a revolutionairy] personally, it doesn't mean he could not nor that he didn't/doesn't love his brothers.

 

[Poneglyph420]

I don't think the Bond that Ace, Luffy and Sabo shared was that of pure brotherhood is questionable. And regardless of their occupation that bond would likely remain unbroken. IF Sabo is a super high level RA and had some need to maintain secrecy, he might lie low....
But I doubt he'd let his brothers continue to think he's still dead. It's be cruel and torturous to all involved.. Also defies their combined drive for freedom.

I respect that there are rational ideas (however few) that could support Sabo's survival... But in the face of all other evidence pointing to his death, it's unlikely.

Personally I think that Sabo played a massive role in both influencing Ace and Luffy. I also think that his "supposed" death at the hands of a Tenryuubito is epic and underlies a clear thematic component of OP.. The corruption of the powers that be. and the forces of change to come... In that sense Sabo has already etched a place far deeper in the manga than he ever could as a RA, IMHO that is.

 

[Anyarel]

Oh! I've got a super suggestion!
He's been changed into a girl by Ivankov and he's gonna be Luffy's wife.
Well, I don't really believe it could have happened but it would be funny... XD

But if you ignore the Luffy's wife part, if he really is still alive and is a revolutionnary, he could really have become a girl to escape from his father.
There's no way he could be recognized once he became a girl!

 

[Black Lagoon]

What proof do you have for your claim of absolute brotherliness after all those years? How can you claim them/Sabi staying the same.

If you haven't noticed, Revolutionaries have/had to stay hidden so they wont get exposed to the World Government/Marines. Dragon still didn't get it touch with Luffy. Why do you think they use those special snails and radios to communicate? That would be a reason, for not getting in contact with Ace or Luffy. Just because you can't think of him acting so rational in such situation[ he would probably just be a small fly himself compared to WB, I don't want to repeat myself...], hell I would react just a Luffy did too[under the condition I'm not a revolutionairy] personally, it doesn't mean he could not nor that he didn't/doesn't love his brothers.

I don´t think you understand what real brothers mean to one another (Because these 3 are more than brothers) neither the true meaning of my post, or just didn´t get what the the "little" flashback after the war was for (in part). About the revolutionaries, how much do you think did Luffy keep the truth about Ace´s secret? (Well ... I guess it was involuntary but it counts), besides, this whole secret or keep the revolutionaries hidden has nothing to do with it, I mean ... Just tell Luffy to keep his mouth shut and he won´t say a word no matter what are the circumstances ... and don´t you think that the last thing he could have done is as he sent the letter to Ace when he was with his real parents, he could have sent another one saying that he´s all right and nobody has to worry about him anymore ... And he could have done that in the beginning, when nothing as you say might have changed.

 

[Bugzee]

I honestly don't believe that both of Luffy's brothers are dead. I strongly believe that Sabo is still alive.

I think the most recent events that have occured in OP are fitting for Luffy to one day eventually cross paths with Sabo again. Dragon obviously is preparing something big. The last indication of Sabo being alive was when Dragon returned back to his ship in the flashback...and since then the most likely "whereabouts" of Sabo is with the Revolutionaries. Now that Dragon has confirmed that he has requested all the commanders to meet together...there's a chance that maybe one of the SH's may cross paths with Sabo without knowing who he is.

Sabo could also be going by another name now...

Edit: Sabo x Robin. Perfect couple IMHO. :3

 

[Schabrak]

and don´t you think that the last thing he could have done is as he sent the letter to Ace when he was with his real parents, he could have sent another one saying that he´s all right and nobody has to worry about him anymore ... And he could have done that in the beginning, when nothing as you say might have changed.

We don't know the rules/terms of the RA, so I nor you can really argument with that. Nevertheless considering he's alive, I would think that Sabo wanted them not to worry about him. A fictive death would give him the best cover one could imagine. However again people forget and/or ignore, that Ace had a real big family supporting/rescuing him, so should he really risk exposure, if much stronger people are already helping? In the end Luffy did only delay Ace execution nor do I think somebody of Ace caliber would have made much difference, with all the Shichibukai and Garp/Sengoku being in standby for the longest time. Without Luffy, Garp would most definitly have blocked any other attempt pirates coming to the scaffold.

And please don't you ever dare to accuse me of not understanding what true love for siblings means! I would give my life for my brother without thinking about it, as he would for me too, as long as not both would end up dead obviously. That comment made me really agressive, it's hard not to become insulting.:E

 

[kkck]

I honestly don't believe that both of Luffy's brothers are dead. I strongly believe that Sabo is still alive.

I think the most recent events that have occured in OP are fitting for Luffy to one day eventually cross paths with Sabo again. Dragon obviously is preparing something big. The last indication of Sabo being alive was when Dragon returned back to his ship in the flashback...and since then the most likely "whereabouts" of Sabo is with the Revolutionaries. Now that Dragon has confirmed that he has requested all the commanders to meet together...there's a chance that maybe one of the SH's may cross paths with Sabo without knowing who he is.

Sabo could also be going by another name now...

Edit: Sabo x Robin. Perfect couple IMHO. :3

I agree, sabo is very much alive. I also believe he is the one mentioned in the dragon flashback. If he is alive and was saved by dragon though, it is very likely he is a commander or at least a high ranking revolutionary though. He was supposed to be about as strong as ace before and if that parallel maintains then he is by no means someone who could be considered a rookie.

 

[Black Lagoon]

We don't know the rules/terms of the RA, so I nor you can really argument with that. Nevertheless considering he's alive, I would think that Sabo wanted them not to worry about him. A fictive death would give him the best cover one could imagine. However again people forget and/or ignore, that Ace had a real big family supporting/rescuing him, so should he really risk exposure, if much stronger people are already helping? In the end Luffy did only delay Ace execution nor do I think somebody of Ace caliber would have made much difference, with all the Shichibukai and Garp/Sengoku being in standby for the longest time. Without Luffy, Garp would most definitly have blocked any other attempt pirates coming to the scaffold.

I´m one of those
But If Akainu didn´t tempt him, he´ll be crying for WhiteBeard´s death right now. However, I agree with you except in one point, as I said in my post earlier, the last thing he could have done ("Just few days after being rescued by Dragon" **) is send a letter to Ace saying that he´s alright.

**Not confirmed but seems the most probable scenario.

thanks to you, now I have 3 possible theory :
1- He´s dead
2- Amnesia
3- Your point, looking at Ace´s big family he might have thought that no way he´s gonna die which would be a serious change in his personality\character.
But then again if he doesn´t have amnesia IMO he´d have sent a letter to Ace.
So I guess I have to add a 4th one :
4- 2 and started remembering thing not long ago + 3 ^^

And please don't you ever dare to accuse me of not understanding what true love for siblings means! I would give my life for my brother without thinking about it, as he would for me too, as long as not both would end up dead obviously. That comment made me really agressive, it's hard not to become insulting.:E

I knew you would be angry with my comment (I'm really bad expressing my thoughts with writing) I'm so sorry if I offended you, It wasn´t my point ... but I guess your post made me aggressive too

 

[t00192723]

SABO IS NOOOOOT DEAD!!!!!...WATCH EPISODE 504 OF ONE PIECE AND NEAR THE BEGINNING OF THE EPISODE THERE IS A SCENE WHERE DRAGONS SHIP IS DOCKED AND DRAGON WALKS BACK ONTO THE SHIP ONLY TO BE YELLED AT AND THEN DRAGON WHILE OPENING HIS CLOAK SAYS SORRY BUT YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT WAS INSIDE OF HIS CLOAK...WELL WHEN THEY SAY "OH THATS VERY BAD...TREAT HIM NOW"...AND THEN LEAVE DRAGON STANDING THERE, THEY WERE TALKIN ABOUT SABO BECAUSE DRAGON RESCUED HIM FROM THE SEE AFTER THE CELESTIAL DRAGON SHOT AT HIM FOR THE VERY LAST TIME

 

[Charlie]

Welcome to the One Piece forums and Mh - t00192723.

Please try not to use all caps when posting because that gives the impression you're yelling and its not a good format, when reading the post.

Now about Sabo - that you mentioned. I don't recall the manga chapters about him well enough but I think the anime part you speak of might be filler. I could be wrong as I don't recall that too well.

Someone here can correct me on that, no doubt.


Edit: I also want to extend an invitation to you to make your own introduction thread at the mh Memberz Zone. This way, you can say hello to the community.

 

[kidopitz27]

i think Oda is supervising each episode creation even fillers so there is a 0.01%(yeah its possible) that Sabo is the one that Dragon saved

 

[Akainu]

actually that same part was in the manga and it was just as unmisunderstandably that this "treat him" was directed at Sabo. there are quite some who don't see it that way though but really there was no other simple and yet convincing theory around - in the manga it was also not clear who said that line iirc ?

 

[Ratatosk]

The anime didn't add much to the manga, but the way it was said made it pretty obvious that Sabo was alive. Manga was ambiguous and translations were all over the place, anime was more reassuring the kiddies. And yeah, Oda checks these things, even at the start before they knew how important plot details would get, or Rayleigh wouldve been the captain of Buggy & Shanks' ship back in the day

Sabo wanted to sail the seas & write a book about it, (it's been said before but) could be the narrator for all we know.

 

[modoki]

SABO IS NOOOOOT DEAD!!!!!...WATCH EPISODE 504 OF ONE PIECE AND NEAR THE BEGINNING OF THE EPISODE THERE IS A SCENE WHERE DRAGONS SHIP IS DOCKED AND DRAGON WALKS BACK ONTO THE SHIP ONLY TO BE YELLED AT AND THEN DRAGON WHILE OPENING HIS CLOAK SAYS SORRY BUT YOU CANNOT SEE WHAT WAS INSIDE OF HIS CLOAK...WELL WHEN THEY SAY "OH THATS VERY BAD...TREAT HIM NOW"...AND THEN LEAVE DRAGON STANDING THERE, THEY WERE TALKIN ABOUT SABO BECAUSE DRAGON RESCUED HIM FROM THE SEE AFTER THE CELESTIAL DRAGON SHOT AT HIM FOR THE VERY LAST TIME

i did notice that also. After dragon met sabo some time earlier at night, im sure dragon seen a spark in his eye. Sabo definitely looks like revolutionary material to help overthrow world government influence. With him being once in the noble family will definitely help.


But Sabo is very much alive and under Dragons care. Ivankov and Kuma(RIP) both have knowledge of the aftermath of Sabos medical treatment on the ship after Dragon brought him in.

Lastly i have a very strange feeling that due to Sabos very bad wounds, most of his body including face may have been burned to the point where he may not even be recognizable anymore. When we do see him again (pressumably the NW) He may either :
1. wearing a mask
2. reconstructed as an android or something (sorry i know this is a stupid point)
3. New name, new personality, disregarded his previous life and friends.