Discussion Sabo Thread

[hoeru]

It's an interesting point you put, but in conjunction in the way Sabo died, it just wasn't emotional at all.

The whole chapters 588 and 589 was about Sabo's death - which is MUCH more than Oda spent for any other flashback death. Dogura wasn't emotional? And how the others Luffy, Ace and the Dadan family receive the message on his death isn't emotional, either? While Ace was shown to be bound on a tree, someone from the Dadan family says, that Luffy cried all the time and now finally fell asleep, and was still crying much after Sabo's letter arrived. Sabo's death is the reason for Luffy to get stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and stronger, and then even stronger to protect everyone. So that he won't have to lose anyone while it was the reason for Ace to treat Luffy as little brother and protect him no matter what.

Sabo's death had a great emotional influence on both Ace and Luffy.

Are you still dead serious on Sabo's death scenes not being emotional at all? Or have you simply not read those chapters? I know many here at MH dislike OP flashbacks because they want the plot to continue. But it's actually not that good to skip or skim through them without reading them as close as the rest of the story.

And if the death scene was "emotional" or not isn't actually relevant whether or not Sabo is dead.

What's in addition: Sabo has been much longer a friend to Ace than to Luffy. And yet, Ace asked Luffy to asy goodbye to Dadan, not Sabo. So Sabo had some years to contact either Luffy or Ace - there was always a way to do this in total secrecy. Especially if he got part of the World Revolution (Dragon showed up in Loguetown out of nowhere).

now guys tell me do you realy belive that Oda who i'm sure he didn't write the databook page by page and some editors did he put such a big spoiler in a databook?

But it's not one Databook but two (Green and Blue Deep). And errors withing a databook are corrected in the next one. We already know that from One Piece Red to One Piece Blue when Sanji's age was corrected.

 

[Kaiten]

Most importantly, this page says, in big ass letters, "After Sabo's Death". Sabo served his purpose as a character: Ace and Luffy first bonded over their mutual friendship with Sabo while he introduced both to the inequities of the world. Sabo's death was drawn in such a way that he could be brought back, his death was ambiguous, no body was seen. There is little reason to believe he survived his boat being shot twice at close range, until further evidence emerges any argument in favor of his survival is bound to be pretty weak, with little basis in the narrative.

 

[damane08]

Most importantly, this page says, in big ass letters, "After Sabo's Death". Sabo served his purpose as a character: Ace and Luffy first bonded over their mutual friendship with Sabo while he introduced both to the inequities of the world. Sabo's death was drawn in such a way that he could be brought back, his death was ambiguous, no body was seen. There is little reason to believe he survived his boat being shot twice at close range, until further evidence emerges any argument in favor of his survival is bound to be pretty weak, with little basis in the narrative.

That's not a good argument for his death at all. Since you brought it up, I'll share these with you: The Mangareader version of that page. Those big ass letters aren't there, are they?

Let's continue: This version was scanlated by Mangastream. Those big ass letter aren't present.

Let's continue: This is the Chinese version. Those big ass letter aren't there either.

And here's the Japanese version:

See those big ass letters? Nope? I hope you understand the point i'm trying to make here. Those big ass letters were just added by the group that scanlated the chapter that you linked, it's not in any other version of the chapter.

 

[Schabrak]

Cezgeth
You seem to not even have read the pages I mentioned nor hoeru's or Kaiten's posts in that regard. Nor did you answer my question of his purpose in the future plot. This will be last answer to you unless you really want to bring some arguments into the discussion about his supposed relevance to the plot in the future of the series. Anyway read their posts too please.

P.S.: Earlier I posted: "That page in 589 is the sole reason, why hope for Sabo still exists, that can't be denied.^^" Also, bad story telling to you, not for me. He did fulfill his purpose. Oda can depict it however he wants, his purpose could have been to create a discussion and that idea has prospered greatly, as one can see from the discussion back than. After that, Sabo has been repeatedly been said to be dead, even had a tribute cover in the animal series, which I see as an conclusion to his part in the series.

 

[Shisu]

The person known as "Sabo" is dead.
There's no way that this page refers to some fodder. It's Sabo, but well there's a lot stuff that can happen when you are on the verge of death. Most likely he lost his memories, gained a new name and lives as a revolutionary now.

Basically, a new life as a new person.

 

[hoeru]

What if the page refers to Dragon himself? Or Kuma? We see Dragon, "hear" Ivankov, but there's no trace of ... Kuma!

See, without knowing to who this dialogue refers, it could mean anyone but Roger (already dead), Kuina and Zoro (seen training) and Ivankov (who was yelling at Dragon).

 

[k-dom]

Sabo's death had a great emotional influence on both Ace and Luffy.

Are you still dead serious on Sabo's death scenes not being emotional at all? Or have you simply not read those chapters? I know many here at MH dislike OP flashbacks because they want the plot to continue. But it's actually not that good to skip or skim through them without reading them as close as the rest of the story.

And if the death scene was "emotional" or not isn't actually relevant whether or not Sabo is dead.

I speak for my own but I found that Luffy's flashback was one of the weakest of all. In term of emotion, I was 100 times more touched by Chopper, Robin or even Nami ones. So yes, Sabo death was not really emotional to me but that is not really an argument for him being alive or not.

But it's not one Databook but two (Green and Blue Deep). And errors withing a databook are corrected in the next one. We already know that from One Piece Red to One Piece Blue when Sanji's age was corrected.

Since when are Databook proof of something. They are just resume of the manga, so it basically as if you say that Sabo is dead in the manga so far. They have no added value. In case Dragon saved Sabo, do you expect them to say : "Sabo was shot by a tenryubito but saved by dragon". The only thing that databooks reveal is the name of characters that will never appear again.

Cezgeth
P.S.: Earlier I posted: "That page in 589 is the sole reason, why hope for Sabo still exists, that can't be denied.^^"

It's the sole reason but a seriously strong one. Honestly, is there another interpretation for this panel ?
I don't really care if he is alive or not, but if he was alive, that would make Ace death even more unfair since, him thinking Sabo was dead, had a really huge impact on his and luffy's life.

 

[Uriel]

It's not about databook, but I think it was in SBS stated that Sabo was death. Can't remember which one, though.

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

SBS Volume 68

D: Oda-chi! I went to see the One Piece Exhibition. At that time, chapter 668, "Pirate Alliance" was the chapter in Jump!!! In the "From the Decks of the World" picture, there were three sake cups in front of Ace's grave!!! Is it alright to think THAT person visited Ace's grave?? I expect that only Luffy and that person really know for sure... P.N. Hairdresser Gonke

O: Right, this is the image from chapter 668 that's in this very volume, but when it appeared in Jump, the advertisement messages covered up some parts and readers couldn't see it all very well. But at that time, the One Piece Exhibition was in Tokyo, and the person who wrote this letter went and saw the original image to confirm. You can also confirm it with this very volume. As for what you should think when you see this, well, I'll leave that to your imaginations for now.

I have not noticed it obviously ... does this give any idea ??????????????

 

[vagabond87]

Its like confirming of Sabo being alive.

And I am so sure I wrote abou this here or on Arlong Park forums not so long ago.. So sure that my head hurts I cant find that post right now -.- damn...

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Its funny that i remember someone mentioning that ... But others went on saying "he is too obsessed with sabo being alive and trying to see thing which does not exist" .... The pic is actually not clear to see three cups there .... But SBS confirmed it .. So I guess that's a proof .. and I like the playfulness of Oda there saying

"As for what you should think when you see this, well, I'll leave that to your imaginations for now"

I am sure oda chose that questions of many , because the question has been asked with THAT person in mind

Now let our imaginations go wild .....

 

[vagabond87]

Its funny that i remember someone mentioning that ... But others went on saying "he is too obsessed with sabo being alive and trying to see thing which does not exist" .... The pic is actually not clear to see three cups there .... But SBS confirmed it .. So I guess that's a proof .. and I like the playfulness of Oda there saying

"As for what you should think when you see this, well, I'll leave that to your imaginations for now"

I am sure oda chose that questions of many , because the question has been asked with THAT person in mind

Now let our imaginations go wild .....

I posted link to this and quoted almost all of it(at least I think so, maybe I was drunk or dreaming about posting this lol)
http://allmangareviews.blogspot.com/2013/02/one-piece-speculation-oda-hinting.html

and here you have better picture

 

[Ninja_Pirate]

Sabo is alive,you can see just 2 cups and i assume there are 3,we have to wait for a better version of the cover

Found it ... the first post to depict that ... kudos to this

And the post against it... (I just remebered reading it)

That ain't Sabo's grave, so there's no need for a third cup. Or it's just two cups for both Ace and Newgate, or the traditional way with one for the griever, one for the dead. Every thought about that? Sabo is dead until Oda retcons the story. Is there a need for him to be alive, plotwise?[I await a honest answer. ]

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Oops... That wasnt the first ... but this one.. This guy only did one post till date ... and thats also a useful one

Does anyone else think that the cover implied that Sabo had visited Ace's grave. I would think that anyone who was visiting Ace would also put a drink down for Whitebeard too (huge one at that) unless it was Sabo.

 

[alelucas]

It's a hint that Sabo is alive. No doubt. There are sake bottle, three glasses and a newspaper IN FRONT OF ACE'S GRAVE and flowers in front of Whitebeard's. Sake to Ace, Luffy and Sabo reminding their eternal brotherhood. Flowers to Whitebeard as a mark of respect because he gave his life trying to save bro Ace's life. Last but not least, the newspaper seems to show Ace that Strawhat Pirates are alive, or rather, lil bro Luffy is alive. That's it. Oda isn't a gratuitous mangaka.

 

[MaZa]

it is confirmed sabo is dead from mangafox "A databook revealed that the guy that everyone thought was Sabo was instead a dude named Bunny Joe. Another stated that Sabo is dead for real.

So we'll never see him as a revolutionary. In fact we'll never see him at all."

 

[Schabrak]

it is confirmed sabo is dead from mangafox "A databook revealed that the guy that everyone thought was Sabo was instead a dude named Bunny Joe. Another stated that Sabo is dead for real.

So we'll never see him as a revolutionary. In fact we'll never see him at all."

That's no a definite answer though, various people have gone into an actual discussion in this thread.^^ Databooks mirror the information of the manga, they don't reveal hidden truths unless the mangaka wants them too.

 

[yoshidr]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

What makes people think Sabo is dead?? It shows a cannonball heading for his raft but it was never confirmed he died.... What if he jumped in the water? There could be many different ways he escaped death. A lot of us thought Bellamy died but hey he came back, and lastly who you think left the bottle with the cups in front of ace's grave? I'm certain it wasn't luffy.

 

[Sproumfch]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

I think all the related strenght theories will be settled in a few weeks, thanks to Luffy putting everyon K.O. in the arena.

Ps : I know it's off topic, but where did you get that info? :

Then let me wake you up outright. Sabo is alive. Have a nice day. ^^
Oh well, the reason? Who else would give cup of sake of Ace's grave knowing the significance? Also, there's this indication with Dragon saving him.. and such. It's not given, but it's still more like 60% for Sabo being alive and 40% for him being dead than the vice-versa.

 

[Razh]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

Ps : I know it's off topic, but where did you get that info? :

What info? It's all on the manga pages. Sake with 3 cups is on a cover story and Dragon carrying someone wounded is from Luffy's childhood flashback. These 2 give enough possibility that Sabo is still alive somewhere.

The databook calls Sabo dead, but databooks can't really give future plot spoilers, now can they?

 

[BetaRuler]

Re: One Piece 709 Discussion/ 710 Prediction

For Sabo Edit: Ignore that race bit to finding the page...
Heres the page about the graves with the cup and drink in front of it.

Spoiler

Also to note theres the newspaper on Aces grave with the news about Luffy setting sail again too, since the theme of this cover story was everyones reactions to Luffies setting sail again from Archipelago. SO... Who do you think would want to tell Ace, that Luffy was setting sail? JIMBEI? CMOOOOON DONT JOKE ABOUT!
One other page caught my attention tho, whose the guy with his back turned in this one? > http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/631


Also I asked ages back but didnt get a reply >=p how exactly is Bartolomeos name pronounced I wondered, since some of the translations spelt his name differently its got me curious