Discussion Sabo Thread

Sabo - dead or alive?

  • Dead - by the hands of St. Jalmack

    Votes: 37 24.0%
  • Dead - on some later adventure

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Alive - living in peace

    Votes: 1 0.6%
  • Alive - sailing the sea as pirate

    Votes: 11 7.1%
  • Alive - fighting for the Revolutionary Army

    Votes: 104 67.5%

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I wouldn't go as far as to say there is NO WAY that Sabo could again appear in the Manga... But I don't need a signed Affidavit from Oda to suspect that Sabo is more probably dead than alive.
Especially with all of the evidence, and based on looking at raws of past chapters particularly 567.. I'd be willing to bet on it.

Not that my opinion is hard law.. Only Oda's is after all..
My sentiments are exactly this. Sure, lots of things point to Sabo being dead, and if he was alive it might be kind of cool, but I don't expect it and I'm fine with Sabo dying here.

Just as it was with Tom the Merman who was carried away on a train for execution, we never saw a body and though people hung onto the hope he was still around, the theory has not survived long. Same thing for Saul. Same thing for Nico Olivia.

Not getting these two arguements though:
  1. That two main characters died, so Oda wouldn't kill another: please, Whitebeard wasn't a main character and Ace is a secondary at best. Still, sure two "important" people died recently, so what? This exact same arguement refused to believe Ace would die because WB was going to die, and two deaths = too many. So now 3 deaths = too many? Is it all too much?
  2. What was the point of introducing Sabo to kill him off?: if you can't see the point of killing off Sabo then you aren't really reading the chapter, just glossing over the pictures. Not everyone has to die for a world changing reason. Heck, what was the point of killing Ace? Just because two chapters later we don't see Luffy SSJ, doesn't mean there wasn't a reason.
 

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I'm honestly conflicted with this. I'm not sure which outcome I would like better, him being dead or alive. Even if he was alive, at that point I don't know which I would like better, being a pirate or a revolutionary.

If he's dead than it makes sense that Ace was so over-protective of Luffy. Sabo's dying wish (though he wasn't aware he was about to die) was for Ace to look after Luffy and make sure he's okay. Being that they were so close, and Sabo and Ace's history as friends dates back even further than he and Luffy's, means that due to this and their brotherhood that he was going to fulfill Sabo's task until the day he died. He was always looking for reasons to live, and protecting Luffy became one from that day forth. However, whether or not Sabo died would probably have not changed the fact that he was going to look after Luffy no matter what. That's just how Ace is, he is true to his word. I do love tragic endings and it would be truly tragic for him to have died to a Tenryubito before they got a chance to meet again at Sea, given all the events before this.

Sabo being alive would be of one or two options. If he were a pirate that would be good and true to Sabo's intentions. He wanted to be free and sail around the world and hopefully meet up with his brothers some day. However, it wouldn't seem to make much sense really. If he were a pirate, being how Ace can get around the grand line like it was nothing and is part of one of the biggest pirate fleets in the world, he would have had to run into Sabo at one point or another or at least hear about him. As much as I would love to see that he is a great Pirate in the New World, it's just so unlikely that no one would have heard about him.

Sabo as a revolutionary I would like not quite as much but it would make much more sense had he survived. He would want to put an end to the way things are in the Goa Kingdom and with the Tenryubito, due to personal experience. The Revolutionaries aren't very covert being that they are well known throughout the Government and nearly toppled all of South Blue. Though their presence is known well, their ranks aren't well established. It is one of the most mysterious forces of the series thus far. In fact, with the pacing of the story as it is now, it would make sense that Sabo would come back especially as a Revolutionary. A while ago Dragon said that the "true nature of the world will be answered when he meets Luffy again", and I would say that time is at hand with the world entering "The New Age". Not to mention, with Ace dying and now mentioning Sabo for the first time in the series, this flashback shortly after these events, as well as including Dragon, Iva, and Kuma and the beginnings of the Revolutionary Army, all signs are pointing to a reunion. I have a feeling if Oda didn't mean for the story to progress in this manner, he wouldn't have spent most of the time recently in this particular flashback.

As for his strength, as I see that being a key point in the character as well. If he were alive, the fact that he matched Ace when they were kids and was able to easily defeat Luffy even with his devil fruit powers meant that he was quite a capable combatant. Even before him joining the Whitebeard pirates, he was offered a spot as a Shichibukai due to his strength. When fighting Blackbeard, one of his crew mates commented on how powerful Ace was as a fighter even without the Mera Mera No Mi. So if they were both evenly matched as children, it was obvious how they were both to end up.
 

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I'm completely divided by the feeling. I understand that dead fulfills a better "experience" builder, but...They both believed (Past since Ace is dead) that He passed on. So the experience IS there no matter what.

So I want him to be alive, just because I feel attached to the character. Ego reasons, I know, but who can blame me for that?
 

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I'm completely divided by the feeling. I understand that dead fulfills a better "experience" builder, but...They both believed (Past since Ace is dead) that He passed on. So the experience IS there no matter what.

So I want him to be alive, just because I feel attached to the character. Ego reasons, I know, but who can blame me for that?
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement. Regardless of whether he is truly dead or alive, the experience is still there and the changes that took place in their hearts happened.
 

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This has really become a hotly debated circumstance. I'm simply astounded at the harsh division between those who faithfully believe Sabo has been saved and those who think he's dead.
It's only more aggravated by current events.

I'm sorry but it really makes sense for Sabo to be alive??? Really??
No matter if he was saved by Dragon or built a Mecha in the depths of the sea.. IMO Sabo has served his purpose. He was the first bond that Ace had ever had, and was the first grief that Luffy and Ace faced. He also was the first "victim of the world's injustice" that Ace and Luffy had witnessed.
This to me makes Sabo a crucial and essential part of the story.

However since Sabo's brothers dreamed of being free on the sea as pirates, I'd hope if he's alive (Which I severely doubt) he'd follow in the same dream. More so at this point Luffy is facing the fact that his deepest bonds (brotherhood) have all been shattered and he has to face his own inabilities. If Sabo were to resurface IMO that would "cheapen" the situation that Luffy is in currently.

But what do I know?.......
 

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Poneglyph: Sorry to sound jerk...but you're not Oda. None of us. We don't know if Sabo fullfilled or not his role YET.
 

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Poneglyph: Sorry to sound jerk...but you're not Oda. None of us. We don't know if Sabo fullfilled or not his role YET.
No Worries.. I'm not Oda for sure.
But I did clearly use IMO in all my statements.
So I just think Sabo has made an impact even in the short time we saw him.

But I understand this is a heavily contested topic.

I also attest I could be wrong, there is a chance Sabo could be alive and either a pirate or member of the RA. I just don't know the probability.

Well I'm sure whatever Oda has decided will work best, he rarely fails.
 

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We can trust on Oda! I mean...I can bet Sabo was planned since moment zero. Showing Luffy beginning now as a pirate after so many chapters and so many crewmates makes me be amazed of Oda foresight.

PS: And sorry, I skipped the IMO >_>
 

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We can trust on Oda! I mean...I can bet Sabo was planned since moment zero. Showing Luffy beginning now as a pirate after so many chapters and so many crewmates makes me be amazed of Oda foresight.

PS: And sorry, I skipped the IMO >_>
Yeah, Sabo was planned for a long time, if you go back to the flashback of Ace and Luffy, you can actually see that there was a 3rd cup when they cheers and «became brothers» by drinking sake.

With the recent development, I think it's safe to say that there's more than enough proof to say that Sabo is most likely alive.

I'd say it's 80-20 right now, maybe even more.
 

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I rather think Oda created Sabo the moment he decided to kill Ace. SO I don't rly think he was planned far ahead. I simply don't care about Sabo. Would be totally different if he heard his name long before, just like Dadan.
 
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I rather think Oda created Sabo the moment he decided to kill Ace. SO I don't rly think he was planned far ahead. I simply don't care about Sabo. Would be totally different if he heard his name long before, just like Dadan.
I think he had all of this story set in place long before he published the past-arc we've been in until this week. It's uncommon, but stories are sometimes completely set up before the writer publishes them. In such a detailed series like One Piece, it's what keeps no element of the story feel as though it was "just thrown in". If you read every encounter with Luffy and Ace as well as them both talking about each other it built up to this point. It makes so much more sense now, all of the emphasis placed on their brotherhood.
 

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I rather think Oda created Sabo the moment he decided to kill Ace. SO I don't rly think he was planned far ahead. I simply don't care about Sabo. Would be totally different if he heard his name long before, just like Dadan.
We know he didn't...
Like I said, if you go back to the flashback, you will see that there was already 3 cups, meaning that he already knew about Sabo by then.
 

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http://img-c.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000328922/07.jpg

I took that "terrible, fix him up" comment as a sign that Dragon had brought Sabo to his ship or something. But I am currently without sleeping for over 2 days, so I might be missing something really obvious.
Nah, its more than likely all those people he saved from the Gray Terminal, I'm sure many of them were burned from that fire, and they probably didn't have enough medical supplies for all of them. Also, I doubt he would have been anywhere near that island when the Tenryubutto showed up; too risky.
 

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i haven't been reading, someone probably already said but

Dragon was late, he was ok, but apparently he brought someone with horrible wounds and needed first aid

http://mangastream.com/read/one_piece/72772619/8

He was late cuz he brought Sabo, and he was the one who was injured. Who else? And this was right around the time when the celestial dragons made their appearance, they were there, so there's no way Dragon and the others couldn't have witnessed Sabo's ship getting destroyed (not sure about this)

sorry, probably someone already said this, but just in case
 

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I think he had all of this story set in place long before he published the past-arc we've been in until this week.
If you are talking about some time between the end of the Shabondy- or the middle of the war-arc, then I agree with you.

We know he didn't...
Like I said, if you go back to the flashback, you will see that there was already 3 cups, meaning that he already knew about Sabo by then.
Im not sure about which flashback you are talking about. Only flashback I remember involving anything with cups were in the middle of the war.

Anyway, my point is: It's obvious by now that Sabo is going to play a major character in the story. After all Oda joined him with Dragon. So why did Oda never mentioned his name so far? My only logical answer is that he created him just shortly. I mean he mentioned Dadan as the SHs got their bounty raise in W7, but not Sabo, who will most likely play a bigger role than Dadan.
 

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I honestly can't see Sabo being dead at all. It's important for Oda to make sure that Sabo is somehow alive, and yet make Luffy and everybody else think that he's dead.
Eventually, when the chips are down, Luffy and Sabo may end up meeting each other again. Sabo wanted the "freedom of the seas," and I can't see Oda denying any of his characters that.
 

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Well it is possible if Dragon went by himself, I guess I'll coincide to that bit of evidence.

The only way I'll find this acceptable in the story is if Dragon somehow kept Sabo from seeing either Luffy, or Ace, since I doubt he would not want to see them, or had no knowledge of their exploits.

It would also be nice if It is Sabo that helped free Robin from Tequila Wolf, which would give him an easier opportunity to reunite with Luffy.
 
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I think sabo is the unknown yonkou,
someone who have a bigger purpose .
It's entirely possible that he is with dragon now, but his dream is to become a pirate and in one piece we know that dreams don't just die.
Sabo is not the kind who will go against the world nobles just because he got a grudge against the guy who shot him.
 

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I think sabo is the unknown yonkou,
someone who have a bigger purpose .
It's entirely possible that he is with dragon now, but his dream is to become a pirate and in one piece we know that dreams don't just die.
Sabo is not the kind who will go against the world nobles just because he got a grudge against the guy who shot him.
But because they are the ones threatening the freedom of all humanity.

  • Yonkou:
  • Big Mom: a female pirate -> not Sabo
  • Kaidou: did try to stop WB from freeing Ace, Sabos brother: not Sabo
 
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