Discussion Scaling Urek and Enryu

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Now that it is revealed urek is a being comparable to Phantaminium himself, how do you scale urek in comparison to enryu.

Just to be clear nothing about urek's "potential" was mentioned when he was compared to Phantaminium. His current powers outside the tower was enough to warrant a equivalent comparison.

It we go by blog post , enryu is confirmed to be below phantaminium and also confirmed to be not an Axis. In manhwa till now enryu is not mentioned as an Axis unlike urek.

Thoughts?

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[Anne isn't a TT]

First let SIU show Rumor man fight. Unless then he is a rumor only. We don't know how the fight went. Assuming the perception rumour man fans have, he insta defeated the guardian.

Now whether he used the thorn against the guardian or the thorn consists his powers, we can say he is nerfed atm that even RT thought he could get his revenge.

This gives them two options the destiny of thorn. If the thorn was used to defeat the guardian or it consists his powers then that means Peak(Almost Axix) Night plus the power that defeated the guardian(thorn) only when these two come in hand to hand can Jahad be defeated. This shows Jahad is above Enryu. Rankings are in shambles.

 

[arrowofsky]

I have a feeling we will see some very interesting events and characters in the next spinoff chapters, so I am withholding an answer as I have no idea about Enryu yet. Urek may simply not even know about him, OG, or even workshop (as he did not ToG before, too).

 

[Demonspeed]

Weaker or not, Urek will end up stronger. 2nd option makes more sense to me. We need to learn a lot more about Urek's powers and see how strong Mago is.

 

[VON]

Urek is stronger if it was outside the tower.

inside, his PoL is suppressed by an unquantifiable amount. So its a coin flip who’s stronger.

 

[kkck]

Aurbyon did say urek and phantaminum were immense beings but I would argue that lore wise odds are that phantaminum is still higher than urek. At least if we go by SIU's blog posts phanta is near the top of the pecking order.

As for scaling urek and enryu...

Enryu: I am a messenger of god.
Urek: I don't care. If your sad chump of a god wants words he'd better come himself and he'd better bring a six pack.

That said, I don't think enryu wouldn't be a challenge for urek. And there's also the caveat that we need additional context regarding how enryu actually did the physical and logical impossibility of killing an administrator. If this is something the thorn enables and anyone strong enough with a thorn can do it then I think the feat needs to be contextualized further.

 

[Strange]

Aurbyon did say urek and phantaminum were immense beings but I would argue that lore wise odds are that phantaminum is still higher than phanta. At least if we go by SIU's blog posts phanta is near the top of the pecking order.

As for scaling urek and enryu...

Enryu: I am a messenger of god.
Urek: I don't care. If your sad chump of a god wants words he'd better come himself and he'd better bring a six pack.

That said, I don't think enryu wouldn't be a challenge for urek. And there's also the caveat that we need additional context regarding how enryu actually did the physical and logical impossibility of killing an administrator. If this is something the thorn enables and anyone strong enough with a thorn can do it then I think the feat needs to be contextualized further.

If you ask eduan glazers , you shall believe that it was all cause thorn that amplifies enryus power to control shinsoo front of an admin , so eduan having spear amplifies his power to that extent that he would one shot mago at her best LOL , so enryu=thorn , eduan=spear , both amplifying gears, so without them they are nothing LOL



phantaminum is still higher than phanta. <<< there is an error change that

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Enryu should be comparable to the prime shines while Urek scales to Pentaminum.

 

[Demonspeed]

Urek, as he is in the current chapter of the spin-off and Spin-off Urek with all his PoL are also different.

I don't think Chapter 48 Urek is stronger than Enryu(doesn't have all his PoL, novice with Shinsoo), but when his Light was at his brightest, he definitely was IMO.

 

[undefined]

Now that it is revealed urek is a being comparable to Phantaminium himself, how do you scale urek in comparison to enryu.

Just to be clear nothing about urek's "potential" was mentioned when he was compared to Phantaminium. His current powers outside the tower was enough to warrant a equivalent comparison.

It we go by blog post , enryu is confirmed to be below phantaminium and also confirmed to be not an Axis. In manhwa till now enryu is not mentioned as an Axis unlike urek.

Thoughts?

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Urek has always reacted to an Admin in a serious manner. So I feel like an Admin would be a difficult fight for him. I have Urek beating an Admin in a high or extreme diff fight. Enryu on the other hand appeared to low diff an admin. So inside the tower Enryu is beating Urek.
However we know Urek’s power in the tower is suppressed by a large amount. So outside the tower I have Urek beating Enryu.

 

[kkck]

If you ask eduan glazers , you shall believe that it was all cause thorn that amplifies enryus power to control shinsoo front of an admin , so eduan having spear amplifies his power to that extent that he would one shot mago at her best LOL , so enryu=thorn , eduan=spear , both amplifying gears, so without them they are nothing LOL



phantaminum is still higher than phanta. <<< there is an error change that

IMO there are weapons and there are weapons. Some weapons rely on your power and skill. If we assume the thorn is what allowed enryu to defeat an admin then this isn't necessarily an issue of skill or power but rather the thorn being a broken item that gives you admin privileges and thus allow you to do things which from the perspective of tower folk is outright illogical and defies physics. Like if I were to grab the sun and put it in my pocket from any location on earth.

yeah, I meant phanta is probably higher in the pecking order than urek if we go by blog posts.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

However we know Urek’s power in the tower is suppressed by a large amount.

I don't think this is mentioned. Only that urek can not use full power of light. It can mean he can still use 70% of his powers which still should be enough to overpower admins easy.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Since no one is in Enryu's corner, I want to be the one to defend him both inside and outside. But, as I mentioned in the chapters thread, I believe we also need more information on Enryu.

If I go too far in my defense of Enryu, people will call me insane. So I didn't take the bait like with Eduan. Hahahahaha.

 

[Strange]

I don't think this is mentioned. Only that urek can not use full power of light. It can mean he can still use 70% of his powers which still should be enough to overpower admins easy.

i dont think urek can use his 70% , it seems way below , if that was the case then why he'd need shinsoo to kill aubrion ? after all shinsoo was weak and it couldn't even kill leo in the past remember ? now imbuing shinsoo + light made his power a bit more powerful , it was massive as you had seen it also , and if he could use 70% he'd not need shinsoo surely after all prime mago could destroy planets and urek did wreck mago at her best (past event) , and aubrion didn't even see urek at his best it seems cuz he thought that he had a chance but nope even at his best(aubrion) was still a looser and urek had became stronger he admitted it yet but what he lacks is his power (energy) , for example urek had fought so many times ? constantly ? 24/7/365 ? mago ? weaklings ? danjon ? rahab? cheongum ? aubrion ? + emperor ? he lost so much energy so he needed compensate that lost energy so he used shinsoo , otherwise if he had 70% like he said he'd need one punch to kick his ass but we had never seen him one punching aubrion cuz he lacked his power , so more light you have more powerful you are

and urek doesn't need his light to kick admins ass, he just needs his pure strength and remember fod ? 15% ? serious punch ? it caused tsunami and people barely can do such thing using shinso LOL and imagine 6 times more powerful punch ? what it can do ? 6 times more power + 10% additional to that LOL
and yes admins may control shinsoo but it useless if you opponent may just punch you faster than you can do anything LOL , and with light urek may shit any admins easily surely , but just without any additional power it'd be problematic for him i think cuz urek without shinsoo cannot fly? and if he cannot use his light propely i dont think he'd be able fly (and yes i think urek can use 10-20% his light if he uses just flying not to use any light techniques he'll kill admin fastly ) , its boring evne to match admin vs urek , urek is suppressed as hell , if he wasn't there will be no opponents for him at all hedon speaking to urek shall give you whole picture

and urek i dont even seeing him saying that "hey admin i want to challenge you , urek has said: what shall i need to do if i want to challenge you ? "and urek wanted to see admins powers when he came down to red thryssa , he wanted to see and he was disappointed , and to be honest admins are'nt as powerful as people think of them , admin seems powerful cuz they can control shinsoo , otherwise urek is going rip them apart even using shisnoo easily and its even obvious and its not a challenge and if any sane person thinks otherwise idk what to tell them

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IMO there are weapons and there are weapons. Some weapons rely on your power and skill. If we assume the thorn is what allowed enryu to defeat an admin then this isn't necessarily an issue of skill or power but rather the thorn being a broken item that gives you admin privileges and thus allow you to do things which from the perspective of tower folk is outright illogical and defies physics. Like if I were to grab the sun and put it in my pocket from any location on earth.

yeah, I meant phanta is probably higher in the pecking order than urek if we go by blog posts.

enryu is like chamber guy named zahard, he seems powerful until he is used in the tog , we will see him surely and people will laugh at him , cuz the moment siu uses some person that moment he gets nerfed LOL , i will be laughing what enryu will do without thorn LOL

penta used ? nerfed
urek used ? nerfed
mago planet destroyer ? nerfed
enryu without thorn ? weakling thus nerfed LOL
someway eduan (without a spear) is also nerfed according to glazers LOL

so you shall say that you dont want to see him at all cuz he will be nerfed too LOL otherwise if enryu is superior to admins even without a thorn ? why the hell he needs to appear in the story? after all he did his mission

everyone who is strong someway gets nerfed all the way to the heaven

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

i dont think urek can use his 70% , it seems way below , if that was the case then why he'd need shinsoo to kill aubrion ? after all shinsoo was weak and it couldn't even kill leo in the past remember ? now imbuing shinsoo + light made his power a bit more powerful , it was massive as you had seen it also , and if he could use 70% he'd not need shinsoo surely after all prime mago could destroy planets and urek did wreck mago at her best (past event) , and aubrion didn't even see urek at his best it seems cuz he thought that he had a chance but nope even at his best(aubrion) was still a looser and urek had became stronger he admitted it yet but what he lacks is his power (energy) , for example urek had fought so many times ? constantly ? 24/7/365 ? mago ? weaklings ? danjon ? rahab? cheongum ? aubrion ? + emperor ? he lost so much energy so he needed compensate that lost energy so he used shinsoo , otherwise if he had 70% like he said he'd need one punch to kick his ass but we had never seen him one punching aubrion cuz he lacked his power , so more light you have more powerful you are

and urek doesn't need his light to kick admins ass, he just needs his pure strength and remember fod ? 15% ? serious punch ? it caused tsunami and people barely can do such thing using shinso LOL and imagine 6 times more powerful punch ? what it can do ? 6 times more power + 10% additional to that LOL
and yes admins may control shinsoo but it useless if you opponent may just punch you faster than you can do anything LOL , and with light urek may shit any admins easily surely , but just without any additional power it'd be problematic for him i think cuz urek without shinsoo cannot fly? and if he cannot use his light propely i dont think he'd be able fly (and yes i think urek can use 10-20% his light if he uses just flying not to use any light techniques he'll kill admin fastly ) , its boring evne to match admin vs urek , urek is suppressed as hell , if he wasn't there will be no opponents for him at all hedon speaking to urek shall give you whole picture

and urek i dont even seeing him saying that "hey admin i want to challenge you , urek has said: what shall i need to do if i want to challenge you ? "and urek wanted to see admins powers when he came down to red thryssa , he wanted to see and he was disappointed , and to be honest admins are'nt as powerful as people think of them , admin seems powerful cuz they can control shinsoo , otherwise urek is going rip them apart even using shisnoo easily and its even obvious and its not a challenge and if any sane person thinks otherwise idk what to tell them

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enryu is like chamer guy named zahard, he seems powerful until he is used in the tog , we will see him surely and people will laugh at him , cuz the moment siu uses some person that moment he gets nerfed LOL , i will be laughing what enryu will do without thorn LOL

penta used ? nerfed
urek used ? nerfed
mago planet destroyer ? nerfed
enryu without thorn ? weakling thus nerfed LOL
someway eduan (without a spear) is also nerfed according to glazers LOL

so you shall say that you dont want to see him at all cuz he will be nerfed too LOL otherwise if enryu is superior to admins even without a thorn ? why the hell he needs to appear in the story? after all he did his mission

everyone who is strong someway gets nerfed all the way to the heaven

The thing is it makes no sense for shinsoo to suppress light powers to massive extent imo. Both are comparable powers when taken as a whole. I am talking about shinsoo of the entire tower as one thing. Unless this tower itself is separate from shinsoo axis powers and somehow even amplifies shinsoo powers to much higher extent.

 

[Strange]

The thing is it makes no sense for shinsoo to suppress light powers to massive extent imo. Both are comparable powers when taken as a whole. I am talking about shinsoo of the entire tower as one thing. Unless this tower itself is separate from shinsoo axis powers and somehow even amplifies shinsoo powers to much higher extent.

surely both are axis powers and they are comaprable , but still you are plunged into the watery axis field , so it will be problematic to use your own power there especially its flow never stops at all 24/7/365 , its like if you put darkness inside of the light where light is eternal and big and darkness is small will darkness be able do anything ? outside axis fields dont work in this way at all and if it worked the same it'd be impossible for conqueror king to die after all he was n1 axiser (we may draw some conclusion using those old comics), so this tower is itself generating flow , and the moment axiser will swallow this field , it wont be as powerful as it seemed previously , cuz the moment you gain axis you will have all that power in you and it will come from inside of you not from the all over the place 24/7/365

and at maximum urek may have 50% of his light that'd be the maximum i can give him , otherwise he shall be transformed like aubrion did in some kind of light form but he cannot which means its not 70% at all (otherwise why he needs shinsoo ? if he can transform ? and use much more powerful form) , aubrion has said he is at his best right now and he was capable to transform


but either way it doesn't matter , and its honestly dumb idea to nerf each your strong opponents , just allow them fight at their best what is all these childish games i dont get , we are speculating here all over its non-ending crap and its tiring

we dont have definitive thing that'd give us whole picture , oh urek was that strong, penta was that strong , aubrion was that strong, mago was such , eduan is such , and all that crap , if it continues and it will be so childish and if siu puts everyone nerfed 24/7 i am going to toss this thing for a while and watch when many chapters will come out cuz its boring , just waiting waiting and waiting and still we are speculating speculating endlessly , this tog is interesting cuz there is lore and there are strong characters , otherwise if i wanted to watch some mama-drama characters there are tons of naver webtoons and i'd go there


be honest isn't all this boring ? when everyone is nerfed ?

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Since no one is in Enryu's corner, I want to be the one to defend him both inside and outside. But, as I mentioned in the chapters thread, I believe we also need more information on Enryu.

If I go too far in my defense of Enryu, people will call me insane. So I didn't take the bait like with Eduan. Hahahahaha.

Bro he will have come back but it's for the future. None knows when till then it's time for the light. Regardless of thorn or not he defeated the guardian.

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I suddenly found on Korean wiki that said Phanta is the only one who can go up beyond the 134F and this is rumor. If this is held true, what do u guys think of Enryu directly appearing at 43F? Someone who can directly appear at 43F can't go up the tower seems weird. Then again Enryu appearing at 43F directly is just a theory tho.

 

[undefined]

I don't think this is mentioned. Only that urek can not use full power of light. It can mean he can still use 70% of his powers which still should be enough to overpower admins easy.

Aubrion said Urek has gotten a lot weaker. Also the way Urek has spoken in certain instances seems to imply that he's a lot weaker than he used to be. I don't think Urek inside the tower is beating an Admin easily. Urek has always held the admins in high regards. He's always serious when it came to them. I don't see it being an easy fight for him at all.

 

[Strange]

I suddenly found on Korean wiki that said Phanta is the only one who can go up beyond the 134F and this is rumor. If this is held true, what do u guys think of Enryu directly appearing at 43F? Someone who can directly appear at 43F can't go up the tower seems weird. Then again Enryu appearing at 43F directly is just a theory tho.

surely penta can do , after all all even devils arms was at the top of the tower when he had been modified, yet at that time 134th floor was closed , and mecseth of ashul had created him surely, then devils arms were sent at the top ? and who can send at the top of the tower ? if the key meant something ? hedon was waltzing above at the top and devils arms had seen snowing at the top and even felt cold and had seen hedon flying above it was even shown into anime


Aubrion had no problem to go anywhere in the tower yet he never climbed at all, there is no law that can stop any irregular going above without doing any kind of tests, they aren't bound , and great warriors were climbing cuz they were weaklings unlike shinies or urek or penta or even enryu

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Aubrion said Urek has gotten a lot weaker. Also the way Urek has spoken in certain instances seems to imply that he's a lot weaker than he used to be. I don't think Urek inside the tower is beating an Admin easily. Urek has always held the admins in high regards. He's always serious when it came to them. I don't see it being an easy fight for him at all.

Aburion was wrong though. He wasn't able to sense that mago has not take most of his powers.