Discussion Scaling Urek and Enryu

[kkck]

I could see the princesses' body being strong even for someone like mago, specially if the princess in question comes from a great family. She would have been born with immense natural strength and then further enhanced by zahard's power. Princess bodies are framed as being thousands of times stronger than those of a normal person. It's not necessarily the case that mago ever had anything like that even prior to being sealed into a jewel. This is of course only factoring potential physical strength, once her other abilities kick in that's another story.

In direct combat mago in some ways seems more dangerous than aurbryon. Hope reversal is just too absurdly broken a skill. Aubryon in turn seems like someone that can be fought and beaten more conventionally. I do think urek will eventually simply punch through mago's hope reversal.

 

[Strange]

I could see the princesses' body being strong even for someone like mago, specially if the princess in question comes from a great family. She would have been born with immense natural strength and then further enhanced by zahard's power. Princess bodies are framed as being thousands of times stronger than those of a normal person. It's not necessarily the case that mago ever had anything like that even prior to being sealed into a jewel. This is of course only factoring potential physical strength, once her other abilities kick in that's another story.

In direct combat mago in some ways seems more dangerous than aurbryon. Hope reversal is just too absurdly broken a skill. Aubryon in turn seems like someone that can be fought and beaten more conventionally. I do think urek will eventually simply punch through mago's hope reversal.

you are overestimating chamber guys powers and towerborn ants

been born with immense natural strength and then further enhanced by zahard's power << immense ? more immense than living star ? who can grow infinitely ?


mago was like a living star even before she was sealed yet you are comparing her to some towerborn ant ? and chamber guys power would amplify her to the extent that she'd be comaparable to real mago ? this must be a joke ...

 

[Demonspeed]

I could see the princesses' body being strong even for someone like mago, specially if the princess in question comes from a great family. She would have been born with immense natural strength and then further enhanced by zahard's power. Princess bodies are framed as being thousands of times stronger than those of a normal person. It's not necessarily the case that mago ever had anything like that even prior to being sealed into a jewel. This is of course only factoring potential physical strength, once her other abilities kick in that's another story.

In direct combat mago in some ways seems more dangerous than aurbryon. Hope reversal is just too absurdly broken a skill. Aubryon in turn seems like someone that can be fought and beaten more conventionally. I do think urek will eventually simply punch through mago's hope reversal.

She is a Regular, Mago is a Shiny, her original body is obviously stronger physically. Aubryon himself took a lot of Urek's attacks and we didn't even see him bleed. Mago was able to defend herself against GoL Eduan's assault too.

 

[kkck]

She is a Regular, Mago is a Shiny, her original body is obviously stronger physically. Aubryon himself took a lot of Urek's attacks and we didn't even see him bleed. Mago was able to defend herself against GoL Eduan's assault too.

Yeah? And sure, if mago uses her powers then she reduces 99.99% of people in general down to less than atoms in an instant. But if we are talking pure physical base stats alone... I don't see why mago necessarily has to be a monster in that regard.

 

[Demonspeed]

Yeah? And sure, if mago uses her powers then she reduces 99.99% of people in general down to less than atoms in an instant. But if we are talking pure physical base stats alone... I don't see why mago necessarily has to be a monster in that regard.

I don't get it. Why wouldn't she be a physical monster? You are seriously saying that Mago's physical abilities are below those of a Regular?

Rani would die even if Eduan were to graze her.

 

[arrowofsky]

I don't see how you can even imagine her surpassing her prime.

simply, somehow having more of Urek's light.

 

[kkck]

I don't get it. Why wouldn't she be a physical monster? You are seriously saying that Mago's physical abilities are below those of a Regular?

Rani would die even if Eduan were to graze her.

Well, but then why would she be a monster in that highly specific regard? We don't know the rules regarding how strength works outside the tower. In the tower we have references of beings with such absurd physical strength that they can tank attacks from high rankers without any form of defense whatsoever. Early in the story we learned that princesses have absurd bodies. It's not out of the realm of possibilities that a regular princess without enhancements of any kind could have superior physical stats than an unenhanced ranker. We have no idea whatsoever of what mago's physical specks are/were.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

Mago's body >>>>>>>>>>> some fodder regular lol.

 

[VON]

Kkck, thats a steep hill to die on.

Shiny Beings probably have bodies as strong or stronger than Zahard himself.

 

[kkck]

I am not dying on any hills, I am merely saying it's possible. The outside of the tower operates under different rules and logic that the tower. If we throw in the stuff with axis then we have inherently wonky power scaling since we are dealing with beings that are able to make of reality and logic what they want of it. Add to that, mago didn't even have a proper body through the spinoff, she was merely projecting of some rock. Add to that, for all the absurd comments about some fodder regular it was quite obviously mago was quite happy with the princess's body.

 

[Demonspeed]

simply, somehow having more of Urek's light.

PoL can be used to enhance your body but the Princess's body is inferior to Mago's. Mago needs her three gems to be broken to reach her full power, not Urek's PoL. She failed to get it.

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Well, but then why would she be a monster in that highly specific regard? We don't know the rules regarding how strength works outside the tower. In the tower we have references of beings with such absurd physical strength that they can tank attacks from high rankers without any form of defense whatsoever. Early in the story we learned that princesses have absurd bodies. It's not out of the realm of possibilities that a regular princess without enhancements of any kind could have superior physical stats than an unenhanced ranker. We have no idea whatsoever of what mago's physical specks are/were.

Why would she not? Is Urek himself not physically strong? I feel like you are focusing too much on Mago's Reversal and ignoring everything else. If she can fight GoL Eduan without getting atomized then she obviously has very high physical stats.

 

[kkck]

Why would she not? Is Urek himself not physically strong? I feel like you are focusing too much on Mago's Reversal and ignoring everything else. If she can fight GoL Eduan without getting atomized then she obviously has very high physical stats.

Sure, but urek could easily have different specks than Mago (if anything, he probably does in multiple fronts). And I am talking about base physical strength, not enhanced by shinsoo or light. We know princesses have absurd physical strength even when just starting their climb and earlier (where they fall short of people that have made it higher up the tower is skill, bang amount and such).

 

[Demonspeed]

Sure, but urek could easily have different specks than Mago (if anything, he probably does in multiple fronts). And I am talking about base physical strength, not enhanced by shinsoo or light. We know princesses have absurd physical strength even when just starting their climb and earlier (where they fall short of people that have made it higher up the tower is skill, bang amount and such).

I don't think someone with that level of durability is going to be drastically inferior when it comes to physical strength? It's the same for the Zahard Princesses.

What about Eduan being relieved that she survived his first attacks then? She hadn't absorbed Urek's power yet, he was even surprised to see that she was alive.

On the other hand, Rani got injured by Neo's Orb.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Mago is a physical beast.

 

[arrowofsky]

Mago is a physical beast.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Speaking of Mago's physical body, which do u think likely happened?

Shin TL: Shinies bodies were destroyed and they were turned into jewels.

Webtoon TL: Shinies were sealed inside the jewels.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Speaking of Mago's physical body, which do u think likely happened?

Shin TL: Shinies bodies were destroyed and they were turned into jewels.

Webtoon TL: Shinies were sealed inside the jewels.

Webtoon TL is wrong as always.