Discussion Second Strongest

[nik87]

I just had to bite but whaaaaat? Zoro beating Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri. Okay.

Don't want to delve deeper into this hole but regardless of what you believe, nothing in the manga has shown or suggested that Zoro could have done those things.

Which things in the manga have shown that Zoro cant do those things?

 

[jaymizzo]

Which things in the manga have shown that Zoro cant do those things?

The people he has fought and the feats he has. You claimed he could beat Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri. The manga does not support that claim.

Zoro is not as strong as you think. He would not follow someone weaker than him.

 

[nik87]

The people he has fought and the feats he has. You claimed he could beat Doffy, Cracker and Katakuri. The manga does not support that claim.
Zoro is not as strong as you think. He would not follow someone weaker than him.

Zoro follows Luffy as long as he represents a set of values that Zoro expects from a captain. Being stronger than Zoro is not a necessity, he joined Luffy without knowing at all how strong Luffy is.
Doffy was a joke for G4 Luffy, the problem is G4 Luffy had a time limit. Zoro has no time limit. Zoro can easily cut through strings as several other people weaker than Zoro have cut through them, Luffy broke them just by inflating. Zoro has no issues with Doffy and prepares spaghetti for everyone.

Cracker is a bad match-up for Luffy whose main problem is, again, a time limit. Cracker would be humiliated by Zoro the way Monet was.
Katakuri is difficult one sure but Zoro is not as easy target for Future Sight thanks to Asura as Luffy was and he is far more lethal than Luffy, one clean slice and Katakuri is defeated, considering that Kong Gun wrecked him so much.
Zoro might be stronger than I think actually if he is going to do anything more than a single cut against Kaido.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro needed a magic sword to remain relevant this arc, just like Sanji needs a RS to remain relevant this arc... this is where we are at

 

[Shasha23]

Zoro needed a magic sword to remain relevant this arc, just like Sanji needs a RS to remain relevant this arc... this is where we are at

Yeah now at least with the RS for the first time in 10 years Sanji will have a solo win.
Still dont get this stuff about magic swords, it just sounds stupid to me, hopefully Oda wont start giving them weird abilities in the future

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yeah now at least with the RS for the first time in 10 years Sanji will have a solo win.
Still dont get this stuff about magic swords, it just sounds stupid to me, hopefully Oda wont start giving them weird abilities in the future

If One Piece has a 5 year rough time limit I'm expecting larger boosts in power level across the board.

Sanji hasn't has a solo win and Zoro hasn't been given a strong opponent.

I beat Kidd is going to shine as the number 2 and Luffy's "rival" despite Luffy already blowing way past him

 

[Fox666]

Sanji won against Yonji off-screen... his brothers appeared surprisingly competent against the Big Mom Pirates.

Anyway, big hopes on Kidd too.

 

[jaymizzo]

Zoro follows Luffy as long as he represents a set of values that Zoro expects from a captain. Being stronger than Zoro is not a necessity, he joined Luffy without knowing at all how strong Luffy is.

Fishman Island begs to differ. Zoro implied that if Luffy couldnt atleast do what he did, theyd have to find a new captain (funny enough he didnt suggest he should be captain or that he himself is capable of that)

Doffy was a joke for G4 Luffy, the problem is G4 Luffy had a time limit. Zoro has no time limit. Zoro can easily cut through strings as several other people weaker than Zoro have cut through them, Luffy broke them just by inflating. Zoro has no issues with Doffy and prepares spaghetti for everyone.

Who? Who cut his strings like spaghetti?

Cracker is a bad match-up for Luffy whose main problem is, again, a time limit. Cracker would be humiliated by Zoro the way Monet was.

Again, what do you have to back this up? Crackers DF mastery is quite OP. It takes weather disadvantage to even the playing field.

Katakuri is difficult one sure but Zoro is not as easy target for Future Sight thanks to Asura as Luffy was and he is far more lethal than Luffy, one clean slice and Katakuri is defeated, considering that Kong Gun wrecked him so much.
Zoro might be stronger than I think actually if he is going to do anything more than a single cut against Kaido.

Zoro is far more lethal than Luffy? Which manga feats are you comparing?

Do you know why Katakuri is a hard one for you? Because he is one of your favourites. And yes, to you Zoro is the strongest character in the manga and all it takes is one clean slice to defeat anyone - also Oda has written him not to lose because of his promise (lets not forget that). Unfortunately, the manga doesnt back your ranking of him and Luffy will always be >Zoro.

Since you feel you need to overestimate Zoro more - by your last statement, there is no point in further discussing this with you.

Spoiler: This is just comedy

Yeah now at least with the RS for the first time in 10 years Sanji will have a solo win.

Sanji won against Yonji off-screen...

WOW he beat Yonji, 1 win in 10 years and its was top 5 Yonji

 

[nik87]

Fishman Island begs to differ. Zoro implied that if Luffy couldnt atleast do what he did, theyd have to find a new captain (funny enough he didnt suggest he should be captain or that he himself is capable of that)

Differ what? He expected the captain to have CoC, that's all there is. In case you didnt notice, CoC is irrelevant in 1vs1. Zoro doesnt care about being a captain.

Who? Who cut his strings like spaghetti?

Fodder like Abdullah and Jeet have cut Black Knight like spaghetti, same Black Knight that made the Birdcage.

Again, what do you have to back this up? Crackers DF mastery is quite OP. It takes weather disadvantage to even the playing field.

You realize Zoro's job in current arc is to cut one of the hardest things? And you doubt if he could cut through some lame biscuits?
You look at it through Luffy lenses. Hard for Luffy doesnt equal to hard for Zoro. Again, I provided feats where casual Zoro dwarfs Luffy's G3 Hardened Grizzly Magnum and Zoro has no time limit like Luffy's G4.

Zoro is far more lethal than Luffy? Which manga feats are you comparing?

How many clean hits Luffy landed on any opponent including Katakuri? How many clean slices has Zoro landed on any opponent? You cant be asking this question, Zoro's lethality is another dimension compared to Luffy's.

Do you know why Katakuri is a hard one for you? Because he is one of your favourites. And yes, to you Zoro is the strongest character in the manga and all it takes is one clean slice to defeat anyone - also Oda has written him not to lose because of his promise (lets not forget that). Unfortunately, the manga doesnt back your ranking of him and Luffy will always be >Zoro.

Far from it. Zoro indeed needed only 1 clean slice no matter who his 1vs1 opponent was. It is a manga fact. Actually the only real evidence of Luffy vs Zoro in manga, ended up in a draw. So, your claim of Luffy>Zoro is just your headcanon which has no proof in manga.

Since you feel you need to overestimate Zoro more - by your last statement, there is no point in further discussing this with you.

You can bet your ass that Zoro will at least cut Kaido, that's my expectation of his power level, anything he does beyond that is Zoro being stronger than I expected and that is Zoro after his main fight which I expect to be King.

 

[M3J]

Zoro needed a magic sword to remain relevant this arc, just like Sanji needs a RS to remain relevant this arc... this is where we are at

And Luffy needs an asspull training to remain relevant this arc after getting knocked unconscious in one shot by Kaidou.

 

[Pirate Queen]

And Luffy needs an asspull training to remain relevant this arc after getting knocked unconscious in one shot by Kaidou.

Asspull when it was revealed hundreds of chapters ago?

That's a weird way to define an asspull. He needed stronger CoA... he trained for it, without anything but his own skill.

Odd that you would frame it that way.

It's an asspull to get stronger on your own despite having a very well proven ability to grow exponentially is a short amount of time.

Learned his gears in a day...
Learned Future Sight Advanced CoO in hours
Learned Advanced CoA and the Better version of it in a week....

I guess every time Luffy gets stronger it's an asspull to you

 

[King Moe]

Still see Kidd or Law tying for second strongest. They going to be next WB to Luffy's Roger or at least one of them.

 

[nik87]

Luffy is second strongest.

 

[King Moe]

Luffy is second strongest.

In your mind only . It's good to dream, huh?

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

In your mind only . It's good to dream, huh?

It's also good to just enjoy things obviously meant to be joke.

 

[Pirate Queen]

It's also good to just enjoy things obviously meant to be joke.

I wasnt a joke... Nik seriously believe Zoro>Luffy

Moe just takes the bait every time lol

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Back on topic, its hard to decide who is the second strongest
Before arrival at wano, should be law...but now zoro has enma....
But imo second strongest after wano will be zoro

 

[Pirate Queen]

Back on topic, its hard to decide who is the second strongest
Before arrival at wano, should be law...but now zoro has enma....
But imo second strongest after wano will be zoro

I have a bad feeling about Kidd... I'm worried Oda is going to wank the shit out of him because he is Luffy's "Rival" and asspull the shit out of his power. If that is the case, I'm saying Kidd is #2... but this is worst case scenario for me

 

[HereNThere]

I have a bad feeling about Kidd... I'm worried Oda is going to wank the shit out of him because he is Luffy's "Rival" and asspull the shit out of his power. If that is the case, I'm saying Kidd is #2... but this is worst case scenario for me

I'm kinda looking forward to that. Law and Kidd were juxtaposed with Luffy before the TS, so I had high expectations for all 3. Kidd is the only one who has fallen significantly behind.

I think a jump in power can be slightly justified as we've never seen his full moveset. I expect he'll also learn about Ryou during his own tour of Wano.

Post Wano, Kidd, Law and Zoro would be decent bets as the strongest characters after Luffy post Wano.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

I have a bad feeling about Kidd... I'm worried Oda is going to wank the shit out of him because he is Luffy's "Rival" and asspull the shit out of his power. If that is the case, I'm saying Kidd is #2... but this is worst case scenario for me

Supernova is shit false hype, law is a huge example of that
Kidd is just going to turn out to be another cheerleader for luffy
Only worthy rival for luffy is blackbeard
The strawhat is pretty similar to gold roger crew. If zoro is made similar to rayleigh, he definitely is going to be stronger than law and kidd