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So I hadn't really been following the manga for a while and decided to go on a mass re-read for fun, I remember a couple years ago people used to joke that Atobe was the real main character of the manga but like...jokes aside, is he? He has the most pronounced character arc so far, the most amount of matches and in general the plot seems to spin around him. Echizen is doing fuckall and I don't think he had an actual onscreen match the entire series. Like it really seems like the Atobe show featuring Niou also fuck everyone else haha. Which is cool since those two are my favorites but like, yeah, seriously.

I mean you could argue that the story has no actual main character now and it's just an ensemble, but I sincerely think there's enough focus on Atobe to argue that the manga is about him now. What do you guys think?
 

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I made a somewhat elaborate related thread a while ago, which you might be interested in. You could maybe say that Atobe's the main character of the Japanese team, but once we switch to the US team (which will probably happen more frequently in the future), we're back to Ryoma as our main character. Personally I would argue that the Japanese team as a whole - including Ryoma even though he isn't with them right now - is our "main character" though.

Also, a couple nitpicks:

the most amount of matches
He did, but not by much. Yukimura and Tokugawa are definitely up there. To make a comparison in terms of both number and length:

Atobe
vs Hiyoshi, 1 chapter (stretched across two)
vs Irie, 8 chapters
vs Ochi/Mouri, 12 chapters
vs Germany, 1 chapter
vs Australia, ???
Total: 5 matches, 22 chapters

Yukimura
vs Sanada, 2 chapters
vs Fuwa, 1 chapter (15 pages)
vs Germany, 17 chapters
vs Australia, 7 chapters
Total: 4 matches, 27 chapters

Tokugawa
vs Ryoma, 0.5 chapters
vs Byoudouin, 10.5 chapters
vs Germany, 17 chapters (longest match in the series so far)
Total: 3 matches, 28 chapters

So while Atobe has indeed had the most matches so far, half of them were really short ones. If we're taking match length for each match into account, Tokugawa comes out on top and Yukimura is also ahead of Atobe.
 

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It's fair enough to point out that Atobe's matches weren't as lengthy as the others. I think what I was caught up on was less the length and more the kind of attention he gets - Yukimura's character arc seems very vague to me right now, in spite of his screentime. He has matches, evolution, but doesn't seem like he really wants anything too badly. Tokugawa is a different story because it really seems like he has a character arc; the guy has goals and is trying to achieve them.

I think what stands out about Atobe character-wise is that his development seems to kind of connect from a match to the next. He established his viewpoint about what it means to be at the top against Hiyoshi, gave his all to prove it against Irie-plus fulfill his promise to Tezuka-, learned to deal with his shortcomings against Ochi, got wrecked against Tezuka(which loops with his promise back then and gives him motivation), now in the Australia match he's showing what he learned from the last match. It just seems a lot more interconnected(arguably save for the Ochi match) than the other characters, you know?

I agree that Echizen will probably get some focus again once the manga gets to the American team, but it's been two hundred chapters now and he hasn't really done much - I'd argue even if he gets some focus it's unlikely it's gonna feel like the story is about him. Then again that's just speculation, the author could always surprise me.
 

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I don't think anything of what you said is wrong, but I don't entirely agree either. To elaborate, it's true that there's this theme in Atobe matches and it's the most prominent against Irie, Germany and now vs Australia I feel. I didn't think of connecting the Hiyoshi match with these because I felt like it's more about Hiyoshi and not so much about Atobe. At the same time I also felt like he didn't develop much in the 9/10 match in the sense of actual development, it was more like a reinforcement of the Irie match - first "Tezuka" saved him, then that support got removed again and he had to deal with the situation by himself.

I think in a way Atobe symbolizes the Evolution (this being his major keyword) of the MSers from relying on Tezuka as their pillar to standing on their own two feet. Fuji also plays into this plot a bit of course. If we tried putting it into one of those grids I used in the other thread, maybe this would work:

Protagonist: Atobe - Evolution towards independence
Sidekick: Fuji - Essentially supports Atobe's goal by breaking free of Tezuka's influence
Antagonist: Tezuka - Not in a conscious sense, but his presence alone makes others rely on him
Skeptic: Niou - The fact that he uses the Tezuka illusion could be seen as Tezuka being a necessary presence, thus inhibiting the others' growth

What do you think?

Regarding Yukimura, I think his story centers around "victory" vs "fun" with himself being his worst nightmare in a sense. I do agree it's vague (just as most things about Yukimura really), but I think you can definitely see it.

Vs Sanada he went into the match trying to play for fun. But as soon as Sanada threatened his victory, Yukimura completely abandoned that thought. He was afraid of losing and returned to his old mindset immediately. You can see this very well against Fuwa since Yips became even more powerful and terrifying than it already was. Then in the Germany match he was faced with a similar situation as vs Sanada. He fell into the Yips himself and made it clear that he was frightened. Then two important things happened: (1) he can't think of tennis as fun, but victory is what's fun to him; (2) he overcame his own fears when he broke out of Yips and in a way himself in the process.

Overall I think Yukimura went from "being afraid of losing" to "having fun winning", reconciling his originally conflicting goals. This might seem like two sides of the same coin, but changing from avoiding failure to pursuing success is actually a big deal. Whether or not he'll develop any further along this line remains to be seen. It didn't seem like this was an obvious theme against Australia, but it might've been a transitional match similar to the one vs Fuwa - first Yips grew stronger and now it seems to have weakened to its original form again. It's also possible that the flashback has some significance down the road.

As for Ryoma, he hasn't done much in terms of matches, that's true. But until he left for America, we still followed the story mostly through his eyes. The only exception to this was really that we saw the 3rd court vs 5th court team shuffle rather than the BJB beating 2nd court.
 

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I think Japan as a whole is the main character but Atobe is the main focus. He is the only MSer who managed to play in every match (tie-breaker, shuffle, vs G10, Pre-WC, and Group League). Tokugawa is the main HSer focus. His matches are quite long as Kaoz pointed out.

Kaoz: I wouldn't consider Tezuka to be the antagonist to Atobe but Fuji's. The antagonist of the sidekick. Everyone has an antagonist. Right now, that job is being filled by Noah/JJ.
 

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Kaoz: I wouldn't consider Tezuka to be the antagonist to Atobe but Fuji's. The antagonist of the sidekick. Everyone has an antagonist. Right now, that job is being filled by Noah/JJ.
I'm not sure I agree with that. Sure, the brothers are the main opponents in this particular match, but if we're making the argument that Atobe has an underlying storyline from start to finish (as Sherlock was) those two really don't matter all that much in the grand scheme of things.
 
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