Discussion Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

[Ninomiya]

He didnt use Southern Cross?
I thought he did!

So he only used Hopping Ball?

 

[Kaoz]

He didnt use Southern Cross?
I thought he did!

So he only used Hopping Ball?

In the nationals against Akaya, yes. As you might remember, Akaya recognized HB when Krauser used it against Nakagauchi, however he didn't know anything of Southern Cross. Following that, it's safe to assume Krauser didn't use Southern Cross in his match against Akaya.

 

[LetalHawk]

But Krauser didn't use Southern Cross because he owned Kirihara in Bloodshot mode with only the Hopping Ball, but after Akaya tapped into Devil Mode, he didn't stand a chance against him, so that's why he couldn't use it.

Also, Kirihara is better than Krauser, Southern Cross wouldn't affect Devil mode as Kirihara is very fast and could return it

 

[Kaoz]

But Krauser didn't use Southern Cross because he owned Kirihara in Bloodshot mode with only the Hopping Ball, but after Akaya tapped into Devil Mode, he didn't stand a chance against him, so that's why he couldn't use it.

Maybe. Both possibilities are equally likely.

Also, Kirihara is better than Krauser, Southern Cross wouldn't affect Devil mode as Kirihara is very fast and could return it

I kinda doubt that, seeing as Nakagauchi couldn't, and we've seen that both his Technique and reaction speed are better than Akaya's.

 

[Ninomiya]

His reaction speed arent confirmed to be better than Devil Mode Kirihara's.
I dont think Krauser can beat Kirihara.
Considering Kirihara took 7 straight games from him.

 

[LetalHawk]

Krauser is inferior to Kirihara for now, I kinda doubt that he will make it to the 1st string

 

[Kaoz]

His reaction speed arent confirmed to be better than Devil Mode Kirihara's.
I dont think Krauser can beat Kirihara.
Considering Kirihara took 7 straight games from him.

Well, I think we can agree that Nakagauchi's reaction time is much better than normal and Red Eyes Akaya's. Now, even with DM's boost, I doubt it would exceed Nakagauchi's by a large amount. Following that, I think it's very possible for Devil Akaya being unable to avoid Southern Cross.

Note that I'm not saying Krauser would definately beat Akaya at the moment, I don't think that's too likely myself (though I wouldn't say it's impossible either). However, this would be more because Devil Akaya can probably pressure Krauser enough, so that Krauser doesn't get a chance to hit a Southern Cross in the first place.

 

[Ninomiya]

Note that I'm not saying Krauser would definately beat Akaya at the moment, I don't think that's too likely myself (though I wouldn't say it's impossible either). However, this would be more because Devil Akaya can probably pressure Krauser enough, so that Krauser doesn't get a chance to hit a Southern Cross in the first place.

Precisely.
Have the stats of all the former 3rd Court players been shown yet?
And the stats of the former No.s 11-20 been shown yet.

 

[Kaoz]

Precisely.
Have the stats of all the former 3rd Court players been shown yet?
And the stats of the former No.s 11-20 been shown yet.

No.

Spoiler: List of players with stat sheets

Atobe
Irie
Kirihara
Krauser
Matsudaira
Miyako
Nakagauchi
Shiraishi
Tezuka
Yamato

 

[Ninomiya]

oh...
I was hoping their were stats in the Pair Puri's or something...
Not enough to go by... Im not even sure Konomi will go back to drawing up stats for his characters.

 

[Hardy]

Spoiler: Revealed Stats

Atobe Keigo
Power: 3.5
Speed: 3
Technique: 4
Stamina: 5
Mental: 3

Irie Kanata
Power: 1
Speed: 6
Technique: 6
Stamina: 2
Mental: 7

Kirihara Akaya (Devil Akaya)
Power: 2.5 (4)
Speed: 4 (5)
Technique: 3 (1.5)
Stamina: 3 (0.5)
Mental: 1 (5)

Liliadent Krauser
Power: 5
Speed: 3
Technique: 3
Stamina: 2
Mental: 2

Matsudaira Chikahiko
Power: 4
Speed: 5
Technique: 3
Stamina: 4
Mental: 3

Miyako Shinobu
Power: 5
Speed: 2
Technique: 4
Stamina: 4
Mental: 5

Nakagauchi Sotomichi
Power: 4
Speed: 2.5
Technique: 5
Stamina: 5
Mental: 3

Shiraishi Kuranosuke
Power: 3.5
Speed: 3.5
Technique: 3.5
Stamina: 3.5
Mental: 3.5

Tezuka Kunimitsu
Power: 3.5
Speed: 3
Technique: 5
Stamina: 3
Mental: 4.5

Yamato Yuudai
Power: 2
Speed: 2
Technique: 2
Stamina: 2
Mental: 2

Revival!

I'm doing Seigaku...

Fuji Shusuke:
Power: 2,5
Speed: 3
Technique: 4,5
Stamina: 3
Mental: 3,5

Kawamura Takashi
Power: 6
Speed: 2
Technique: 1
Stamina: 3
Mental: 1,5

Inui Sadaharu
Power: 4
Speed: 1
Technique: 2
Stamina: 3
Mental: 6

Shūichirō Oishi
Power: 2
Speed: 2
Technique: 2
Stamina: 2
Mental: 3

Eiji Kikumaru
Power: 2
Speed: 5,5
Technique: 3
Stamina: 4
Mental: 2

Takeshi Momoshiro
Power: 5
Speed: 2,5
Technique: 2,5
Stamina: 3
Mental: 3,5

Kaoru Kaidō
Power: 3
Speed: 3
Technique: 2,5
Stamina: 6
Mental: 2,5

Ryoma Echizen
Power: 2
Speed: 4,5
Technique: 5
Stamina: 3,5
Mental: 4


Discuss... If you agree I'll continue with Hyotei.

 

[Ninomiya]

Good. Change Echizen Ryoma's stamina stat.
I would say Echizen Ryoma has a Stamina stat of 5.

Remember he exceeded Atobe's levels of stamina in their match. Atobe is a stamina beast.
Ryoma's stamina is amazing.

 

[LetalHawk]

Also mental, he broke through Yips that is almost an impossible technique to counter. your mental must be really high, so he probably has a 5, 6 at most in mental. Also, He can overcome difficult situations and his fighting spirit is really high, and he can change the match even if he's losing by far, so 5.5~6 in mental.

Even if he is weak physically, he can counter the strongest shots, like BJK, Yama Arashi or Rai because of his amazing technique, so a 5 there is well.

Like Airgrimes said, he won in a stamina battle against Atobe, who exceeds other MS in stamina, 5 in there. Finally, his speed is also one of his strong points, a 4.5 there.

So Ryoma's stats are like this:

Power: 3
Stamina: 5
Technique: 5
Speed: 4.5
Mental: 6

Any changes?

Also, for Tezuka

Power: 4
Stamina: 3.5
Speed: 4.5
Mental: 5
Technique: 6

 

[Brandnewkid]

Ryoma may as well get a 7 in everything since he's the biggest Mari Stu.

 

[LetalHawk]

Ryoma may as well get a 7 in everything since he's the biggest Mari Stu.

With Tenimuhou, he gets 7 in every stat. Hax power.

 

[Hardy]

Maybe Atobe's stats were taken right now, at the camp. So, he might got a way better stamina compared to national's Atobe. Also, Irie has 2 on Stamina even though he played some really long tie-breakers. Tezuka has 3 in Stamina yet he never sweats in long matches lol. 3,5 seems still fine. At first I really didn't want to do Echizen, he's the protagonist and in some moments kinda gets 7 in everything... So I think the stats I made from him are fine, but they aren't accurate at all (he's unpredictable and data doesn't work against him, just like against Fuji and Tezuka,).

Also, I don't want to change any of the Data given (Tezuka, Atobe, Irie, etc...) just because we're using those as a base.
Do you agree with the rest of Seigaku's stats?

Hyotei Academy

Kabaji Munehiro
Power: 5
Speed: 3
Technique: 3,5
Stamina: 3 (i don't know this one)
Mental: 1

Akutagawa Jirō
Power: 2,5
Speed: 4
Technique: 3,5
Stamina: 3
Mental: 2

Oshitari Yūshi
Power: 2,5
Speed: 2
Technique: 4
Stamina: 2,5
Mental: 3

Mukahi Gakuto
Power: 2
Speed: 3,5
Technique: 3,5
Stamina: 1
Mental: 2

Shishido Ryō
Power: 2
Speed: 6
Technique: 2
Stamina: 2,5
Mental: 2,5

Ōtori Chōtarō
Power: 4,5
Speed: 2
Technique: 2
Stamina: 2,5
Mental: 2

Hiyoshi Wakashi
Power: 2,5
Speed: 2,5
Technique: 2
Stamina: 2
Mental: 2,5

I'll wait some time to discuss both teams.

 

[Ninomiya]

@Eiji Kikumaru, due to Irie having an extremely high Mental, I expect it allows him to cope with the long match mentally. Exerting energy when necessary.

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Your crazy for giving Shishido a 6 just because of Dash.
Not a chance in hell is Shishido faster than Kikumaru Eiji lol.

Kikumaru can make freaking clones. Personally I still debate on whether or not Kamio Akira is faster than him.
Shishido is most certainly NOT a 6 lol. Give him a 4,5 if your giving Kikumaru a 5,5.

For some reason you have Shishido > Hiyoshi in your tier. Hiyoshi is above Shishido in Singles. Shishido shouldnt take more than a Single point of Atobe realistically.
Kabaji NEEDS a minimum of 4 for stamina lol. He coped fantastically for stamina against Tezuka, Kawamura, Date/Ban.

And you had better lift Oshitari. Y needs a 3,5 Mental MINIMUM. Do you forget how he raped Momoshiro Takeshi for 6 games-straight with just using Mental?
F&D, SSAS, FAS and stuff just totally threw Momoshiro off completely and took apart his Prediction.

Lower Ootori for his Power stat. His serve isnt powerful. Its simply extremely fast. Your stat sheet says he is stronger than Tezuka.
Ootori I would say is a 3 in Power.

 

[Kaoz]

Kikumaru can make freaking clones. Personally I still debate on whether or not Kamio Akira is faster than him.
Shishido is most certainly NOT a 6 lol. Give him a 4,5 if your giving Kikumaru a 5,5.

Volume 40.5 says that Kamio is the fastest player in Kanto, so faster than Kikumaru.

Also I think that the stat sheets do not take special moves into account (e.g. Sealed Step), so I'm not sure whether Kikumaru's speed should necessarily be super high.

 

[Hardy]

@Eiji Kikumaru, due to Irie having an extremely high Mental, I expect it allows him to cope with the long match mentally. Exerting energy when necessary.

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Your crazy for giving Shishido a 6 just because of Dash.
Not a chance in hell is Shishido faster than Kikumaru Eiji lol.

Kikumaru can make freaking clones. Personally I still debate on whether or not Kamio Akira is faster than him.
Shishido is most certainly NOT a 6 lol. Give him a 4,5 if your giving Kikumaru a 5,5.

For some reason you have Shishido > Hiyoshi in your tier. Hiyoshi is above Shishido in Singles. Shishido shouldnt take more than a Single point of Atobe realistically.
Kabaji NEEDS a minimum of 4 for stamina lol. He coped fantastically for stamina against Tezuka, Kawamura, Date/Ban.

And you had better lift Oshitari. Y needs a 3,5 Mental MINIMUM. Do you forget how he raped Momoshiro Takeshi for 6 games-straight with just using Mental?
F&D, SSAS, FAS and stuff just totally threw Momoshiro off completely and took apart his Prediction.

Lower Ootori for his Power stat. His serve isnt powerful. Its simply extremely fast. Your stat sheet says he is stronger than Tezuka.
Ootori I would say is a 3 in Power.

I always thought Shishido was faster than Kikumaru, don't know why. Kaoz, Kikumaru's clones aren't just a technique, he should be fast as lighting to do that (so he surely has high speed stats).

I have Anyone>Wakashi in my tier lol.

Im gonna raise Kabaji Stamina, at least wiki says "he's the stamina house in Hyotei" (I don't know how much), his low mental is what kills him in long matches. Anime filler confused me (when he gets extremelly tired in the balloon training). But yeah, I'll raise him.
You really think Oshitari is smarter than Atobe and as Smart as Fuji? And besides Momo's match, I haven't seen him coming back in a match that he was losing.
How do you think Chotaro makes that serve? He hasn't really high tech, he hasn't speed... he surely has Power. Tezuka isn't a power player (and his stats, as I said before, will never be accurate) so a 4 in Ootori power isn't THAT crazy...

Something doesn't seems fine in my Oishi stats...

Shūichirō Oishi
Power: 2
Speed: 2
Technique: 2
Stamina: 2
Mental: 3

Should I raise his Stamina to 3?

 

[Ninomiya]

I always thought Shishido was faster than Kikumaru, don't know why. Kaoz, Kikumaru's clones aren't just a technique, he should be fast as lighting to do that (so he surely has high speed stats).

Sealed Step is only possible BECAUSE of his speed. @Kaoz. Therefore Kikumaru HAS to be really fast.
Giving Shishido a 6 in Speed is out of proportion I believe however. I dont see Shishido faster than Kikumaru. There is nothing to suggest that yet.
While Kikumaru's speed in Singles has been shown to be amazing.
We havent seen Shishido's speed in Singles.

You really think Oshitari is smarter than Atobe and as Smart as Fuji? And besides Momo's match, I haven't seen him coming back in a match that he was losing.

Well, he IS a genius like Fuji is. To be fair, we have only see Oshitari play 2 matches. He stood out in Doubles and stood out again against Momoshiro.

He hasn't really high tech, he hasn't speed... he surely has Power. Tezuka isn't a power player (and his stats, as I said before, will never be accurate) so a 4 in Ootori power isn't THAT crazy...

But it ISNT a power serve. Therefore it cant be power. Its simply an amazing serve. Ochi's Mach Serve is the perfect example. Ochi DOESNT have power lol.
But his serve is unbelievably fast. Its down to technique.
Ootori's technique stat would probably need a lift.