Discussion Stat Sheet Discussion/Prediction

[Ninomiya]

Although we had guys on here claim Rai is all down to Sanada's speed, any Steps in the series don't contribute to the players Speed stat.

 

[Hardy]

But Ohmagari's speed stat says:

Speed - 5: From the net, the movements of Nitouryuu are completely those of a sword dance. The secret behind such elegant movements is in the martial arts based footwork.

If Nitouryuu's foot work is included in his speed stat, why can't Shukuchihou and Carioca Step be in Tanishi's ?

 

[Ninomiya]

But Ohmagari's speed stat says:

Speed - 5: From the net, the movements of Nitouryuu are completely those of a sword dance. The secret behind such elegant movements is in the martial arts based footwork.

If Nitouryuu's foot work is included in his speed stat, why can't Shukuchihou and Carioca Step be in Tanishi's ?

Nice there haha.
I think you've spotted in an inconsistency there!

My argument against that though, is that its very likely Konomi is trying to say that Ohmagari only gained his natural Speed from studying Martial Arts like Nitoryuu.
Without it, he wouldn't have such speed.
Whereas Shukuchiho didn't build on the Higa 5's natural Speed, it gave them a jumping technique.

 

[Kaoz]

Nitouryuu doesn't seem to be a special move, but more like Ohmagari's natural form. No inconsistency there.

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Sai: shukuchihou and carioca step aren't mentioned in [Tanishi's] speed description

So doesn't seem to be counted.

 

[Hardy]

No, shut up, you're all wrong except me

Lol k, I'm gonna try to avoid stat discussing, I just suck at it u.u

 

[Kaoz]

Sai translated Oni's stat notes:

Oni Juujirou

Stats:

Speed - ?: There is nothing to criticize, but his movements for covering the left and right sides seem just a bit delayed. He may want to consider strengthening his explosiveness.

Power - ?: He's the kind of power player that trains by lifting boulders. However, the power of his Kijin that has been asleep for so long is immeasurable.

Stamina - ?: He possesses an inexhaustible supply of stamina that even allows him to have great power and speed in the match's end stage. This is the result of steady and honest training.

Mental - ?: He's the type to raise his mentality when driven into adversity. The advent of the Kijin is proof of having sharpened his concentration powers to their utmost limits.

Technique - ?: He doesn't just have power, but also excels in the technical side of the game. If he wants to improve more, it will be essential to refine his accuracy further.

Kurobe Memo:
In his match against Tooyama, he showed a lively and vivid play almost mimicking the the simple and naive boy he was playing against. He will from time to time make calls over to the children of Poka Poka Yokochou. There is no doubt that they are the source of his vitality.

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Byoudouin
Speed: 3.5, Power: 5.5, Stamina: 6, Mental: 7, Technique: 8 [Total: 30]

Ryoga
Speed: 6, Power: 5, Stamina: 5, Mental: 6, Technique: 7 [Total: 29]

Oni
Speed: 5, Power: 7, Stamina: 6, Mental: 6, Technique: 4 [Total: 28 (Area value is the same as Tanegashima's]

 

[floman]

Byoudouin
Speed: 3.5, Power: 5.5, Stamina: 6, Mental: 7, Technique: 8 [Total: 30]

Ryoga
Speed: 6, Power: 5, Stamina: 5, Mental: 6, Technique: 7 [Total: 29]

Oni
Speed: 5, Power: 7, Stamina: 6, Mental: 6, Technique: 4 [Total: 28 (Area value is the same as Tanegashima's]

Where did you get these stats from? Did you predict them?

 

[Kaoz]

Where did you get these stats from? Did you predict them?

Yeah, just based on them on the descriptions.

 

[Philia]

I expect Oni to have atleast 5 on techniques. Probably higher.

Also 3.5 in speed of Byoudouin??
He must be dead slow compared to other 1st stringer Hsers.

 

[Kaoz]

Random observation. Looking at the 11-20, most of them have one stat as a 6, but what's kinda interesting is that it's always either Power or Mental. Even the ones that don't have a 6 anywhere still all have a 5 in Mental (Mutsus, Taira, Hara) or Power (Akiba). Do you think that's just a coincidence and based on the opponents they faced, or do you think Power and Mental are more important than the other stats?

 

[Hardy]

How about Technique being 5 in almost every player of the top 10 (except Ochi) or Speed being at least 5 again. A lot of them have 4 in stamina, and some of them even less in power/mental.

In the end, they are all kinda equal in importance, some more depending on the player's style.

 

[Kaoz]

Well, 5 is what's expected from a G10 player it seems, so of course they have at least a 5 almost everywhere. I'll also give you that Power isn't much more prevalent than Speed, Stamina and Technique (they're generally between 20 and 30%), but when it comes to Mental, over half of them are off the charts there: Byoudouin (probably), Tanegashima, Ryoga (probably), Oni, Kimijima, Ochi, Mouri all have either a 6 or a 7, that's 70%.

If we take a 4 as expected value for a 11-20 member, we have Fuwa, Date, Yuuma, Yuuho, Mitsuya, Hara and Taira with a higher Mental, again 70%. Like I dunno, it just kinda stands out to me.

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On the topic of Oni's stats, when taking AnS into account, how about this: Byoudouin's total is X whereas we assume Tokugawa's 22.5 from the fanbook to be correct, but he gets boosted to X via AnS.

If we go by the stat total sequence of the G10, Duke having 27 and Tanegashima having 28 could imply Byoudouin having 29 (I had him as 30 previously because he was listed for the 7th match, but in reality he's playing the 6th match now, so you could argue Ryoga for either 30 [7th match], or 26 [No. 4 badge] based on the sequences), in which case AnS's boost would be +6.5.

Then if we go backwards from Tanegashima's 28 (which equals AnS!Oni maybe?), we get to 21.5 for regular Oni. Which then results in a 22.5 -> 22 -> 21.5 sequence for Tokugawa, Irie and Oni.

Thoughts?

 

[Ninomiya]

Then if we go backwards from Tanegashima's 28 (which equals AnS!Oni maybe?), we get to 21.5 for regular Oni. Which then results in a 22.5 -> 22 -> 21.5 sequence for Tokugawa, Irie and Oni.

Thoughts?

I was thinking Duke 27 -> Tanegashima 28 -> Oni -> 29 Byoudouin -> 30
So we could keep Byoudouin at 30.

I really feel Ryoga is independent from these guys.
I mean, look at how he didn't know he's supposed to only go for a toilet break in between matches and Ohmagari told him he had to stay throughout the match lol.
That was a pretty funny scene btw.

I honestly kinda feel that Irie and Oni's stats are DEFINITELY not their full stats I'm sorry.
Irie's Stamina is damn solid.

do you think Power and Mental are more important than the other stats?

Absolutely.
Not more powerful than others necessarily, but I strongly believe Speed & Stamina are less important than Technique, Mental and Power.

We are yet to see Speed individually win a match.
In Kamio VS Sengoku, Kamio won by mastering a special shot. With just speed Sengoku would have definitely won.
Kenya's Speed was useless against Taira/Hara. Utterly useless.

Which is why I wanted to see Kaji in a full match more than anything now that I think about it. (except a Fuji match of course. But a Kaji match before anything else)

 

[Kaoz]

If we're working with the statement that Oni = Tanegashima (some form of Oni anyways), I don't see how Oni can have 29.

 

[Ninomiya]

If we're working with the statement that Oni = Tanegashima (some form of Oni anyways), I don't see how Oni can have 29.

But it was that Tanegashima could never lose to Oni it wasn't that they were necessarily 100% equal.
I mean, let's be serious, what was Oni really using against Tanegashima in those matches.
From the audiences reactions we can assume he wasn't using Kijin and if anything only 10 Ball Strike.
So I can see Tanegashima's HDN being enough.

 

[Kaoz]

It was said neither lost to the other before, however that works, but unless you're reading a lot into it, I feel like that should be interpreted as them being even. Sure, it doesn't 100% confirm them as equal, but you have to really get into the specifics to view it otherwise. Oni may very not have been using Kijin, but I don't see an issue with him having entered Asura no Shindou.

 

[Kaoz]

Something that's been bugging me for a while is how relatively low the HSers' stats are compared to the kind of improvements they supposedly made. Kaji is probably one of the best examples here, since his profile says he raised his power and stamina during the expedition - so that's probably at least 2 points.

Now if you assume a somewhat steady growth rate, Kaji would've had a total of 0 about 13 months ago, so halfway through his second year, which seems odd to say the least.

So I'm wondering if the stats are redone every so often (maybe every month) and if the numbers are actually only relative to the current highest level in the camp. So a 5 is considered G10 level, but what exactly "G10 level" means depends on the strongest players at that time. And that would result in a guideline of what kind of stat totals the coaches expect a player to have in a certain position.

E.g.: G10 - 25
First String - 20
Top 5 Courts - 15 etc.

 

[Kaoz]

So now that we're at the end of an arc, how do you think Ryoma's stats have improved compared to the ones we were given in the fanbook? As a reminder, his stats back then were:

Speed - 4
Power - 3
Technique - 5
Mental - 5
Stamina - 4

Since then he mastered the Super Sweet Spot, learned how to his the Glowing Shot as well as 15 balls at once and unlocked the Samurai. I'll post my thoughts on this in a bit, but maybe someone else wants to give their opinion in the meantime.

EDIT: Before someone's being a smartass about this, yes, they'll probably be listed as unmeasurable from now on, but let's try to figure them out anyway.

 

[felixng2011]

Re: Techniques Discussion

The best comparison might be Irie's stamina - it's low but for some unknown reason not a significant issue.

Its very possible that the stats are inaccurate. I think the description mentioned that it seemed unfathomable that he lasted that long against Atobe with such poor stamina.

Maybe his stamina is actually 3 or 4 and his strength 2 or 3. Would not surprise me at all.

 

[Kaoz]

Re: Techniques Discussion

Its very possible that the stats are inaccurate. I think the description mentioned that it seemed unfathomable that he lasted that long against Atobe with such poor stamina.

Maybe his stamina is actually 3 or 4 and his strength 2 or 3. Would not surprise me at all.

You'd think they would've just updated the stat in that case. It's not like they didn't do so with Atobe, Shiraishi etc.