Discussion Strongest DF

[Ninomiya]

Ope Ope no Mi.

I mean...CUTS EVERYTHING >_>

Just an upgrade from the anime-only Kama Kama no Mi (Slice Slice Fruit) used by Eric.
He was so weak considering how strong that fruit is.

 

[MrCristian]

It's funny how nobody mentionated the Yomi-Yomi fruit (Brook's fruit), how can you kill an already dead guy? Especially since he is not in his body but in ghost form, so basically you couldn't touch him. Until it's confirmed, not even haki can hit a soul.

 

[Ninomiya]

Is the Dark Dark Fruit a direct counter to the Light Light Fruit that the Marine dude with the Shades has?
Or Vice-versa? Since Dark and Light are opposites and all.

Thing is with Yomi Yomi it might be awesome because you can't kill him, but you can defeat Yomi Yomi Fruit in battle with many fruits.
He has to go to a new body each time, meaning he will have to train that body to be up to standards of his strength.
He can't even get back the skin on his body haha.
Yomi Yomi is good but not on the level that we have mentioned.

 

[Zehahaha]

It's funny how nobody mentionated the Yomi-Yomi fruit (Brook's fruit), how can you kill an already dead guy? Especially since he is not in his body but in ghost form, so basically you couldn't touch him. Until it's confirmed, not even haki can hit a soul.

Yomi Yomi No Mi enables the user to come back to life " once " (ofc there's a condition : One must not die due to drowning in sea water, and the body must be there), once they're " killed " again, there's no coming back. As to how kill Brook, it's easy, you should damage the bones, break them apart

It's a great power, but nothing like Yami Yami no Mi, Gura Gura no Mi or Nikyu Nikyu no Mi IMO

 

[Dekker]

Strength of a fruit depends heavily on environment and circumstances as well as the user itself. Marcos fruit looked neat, but so does Kizarus. Id think Kizarus fruit is actually one of the stronger fruits out there since it does not seem to come with too much of a weak spot. Then again, Sengokus fruit seemed pretty strong, too.

Id go with the pika pika no mi though, but as I tried to say, there is no strongest fruit that comes on top of every other fruit.

 

[jaymizzo]

Though not the strongest by a large margin but i think Buggys DF has a lot of potential. Really wish we saw him actually fight and go all out.

 

[Razh]

Though not the strongest by a large margin but i think Buggys DF has a lot of potential. Really wish we saw him actually fight and go all out.

That's true. Just check out the movements and tricks of this boss from Metal Gear Revengeance. (Video is a boss trailer so don't watch if you don't want spoilers. I linked a specific minute where the boss in question appears. Something went wrong, start from 1:26...)
Although I can't imagine Buggy fighting so skillfully, the video gives a nice idea what someone with complete mastery of the fruit and enough fighting power could be capable of.

 

[DKSilversRayleigh]

Luffy's because he will become the pirate king and beat all the people that you list there end of discussion

 

[jaymizzo]

Luffy's because he will become the pirate king and beat all the people that you list there end of discussion

That doesn't mean he has the strongest or will have the strongest DF.

 

[31TeV]

Horo Horo no Mi, I reckon. Its ability to make ghosts that can render people helpless seems pretty damn near invincibility to me. The only reason all the Straw Hats didn't get wiped out by Perona was Usopp's negativity.

I suppose someone really fast could cause problems, but surrounding yourself in ghosts might help.

Also, would this ability work on logias? I don't see why it wouldn't, but even if it did it wouldn't be very useful without haki or exploiting the logia's weakness. So it depends on the user of this fruit, I guess.

 

[Ninomiya]

Luffy's because he will become the pirate king and beat all the people that you list there end of discussion

Stupid thing to say I'm afraid. It not to say the Gomu Gomu no Mi has been the sole reason he has been winning fights the further we get in the story, Haki is becoming more and more important.
Just because he will become the Pirate King does not mean he will have the Strongest DF. Many things have to be taken into account in the vast world of One Piece.

 

[DKSilversRayleigh]

i guess no one liked my joke. and can u really say that one df is stronger than all the others. enel had a df that made people believe he was a god but was beaten by luffy if luffy fought mr 1 just counting his df powers not how he uses it (like gear 2,3) or haki luffy would lose. when we 1st saw ace i bet a lot of people would have said he was the strongest but was beaten by lava. the only one i could see beating every other df is if there is one that allows someone to control water without touching it and they r by the ocean. even the yami yami might not be stronger then the light fruit they might cancel eachother out, and if some1 had a df that made them fly or move very fast could they escape from being pulled into blackbeard. and blackbeard maybe a logai but still takes physical damage so what if his opponent uses hit and run tactics. and does his fruit have the power to absorb other fruits or is it him somehow and if it is his fruit it i hope he can't steal the fruit if the person was still alive or maybe he is like sylar from hero's and studies their brain.
the df battle i want to see is buggy vs. mr.1

 

[braindamage351]

It's not really a matter of debate. It's already been officially stated what the strongest fruits are.

Strongest logia - Yami Yami
Strongest paramecia - Gura Gura
Strongest zoan - Whatever Kaidou has

 

[Ankit]

It's not really a matter of debate. It's already been officially stated what the strongest fruits are.

Strongest logia - Yami Yami
Strongest paramecia - Gura Gura
Strongest zoan - Whatever Kaidou has

Lolwut.

How can you say Kaidou's fruit is the strongest hen we don't even know what it is? For all we know, he is not even human and didn't eat any DF's. He may be the strongest in the current OP world, but to say that is solely based off his DF(which isn't confirmed), is stupid lol.

And where has it been stated that those are the strongest fruits?

 

[braindamage351]

Lolwut.

How can you say Kaidou's fruit is the strongest hen we don't even know what it is? For all we know, he is not even human and didn't eat any DF's. He may be the strongest in the current OP world, but to say that is solely based off his DF(which isn't confirmed), is stupid lol.

And where has it been stated that those are the strongest fruits?

Gura Gura being the strongest paramecia was officially stated by Oda.

Yami Yami being the strongest logia was basically stated by Blackbeard, and since he was so specific about which devil fruit he was after, it's unlikely that he's being biased.

Strongest zoan is an assumption. All we technically know is that Kaidou is considered the strongest animal in the world. You can come up with a lot of clever reasons for him having that status, but the most likely one is simply that he has the strongest zoan in the world.

 

[Kaiten]

How can you say Kaidou's fruit is the strongest hen we don't even know what it is? For all we know, he is not even human and didn't eat any DF's. He may be the strongest in the current OP world, but to say that is solely based off his DF(which isn't confirmed), is stupid lol.

I wouldn't call it "stupid". It's a reasonable guess, based on what we know so far. Depending on the translation, Kaido was called either the strongest creature, or strongest thing alive. This does not mean he has to be an anthropomorphic animal, or monster of some sort. It may only be that Oda was deliberately being vague, implying there was something not quite human about Kaido, but not wanting to give away what. Being the strongest zoan fruit user is actually a very good guess, in my opinion.

And where has it been stated that those are the strongest fruits?

In volume 58 SBS, Oda states outright that Gura Gura no mi is the strongest paramecia. The same is stated during the war, when Whitebeard's ability is first revealed.

Blackbeard claims the Yami Yami no mi is the most powerful of all devil fruit when his ability is first revealed. Until further notice, Yami Yami no mi has canon support as not only the strongest logia, but the strongest devil fruit.

 

[Razh]

That's not what this thread is about, really. Even a paramecia with the most destructive force can be countered by, let's say, slow beam. That slow fruit would be scary as shit with someone with real fighting power or a knife.

Only real strength of darkness logia is that it cancels out other abilities. And it has a nice utility that allows it to pull opponents toward the user. But I have yet to see something that would help the user survive against a laser beam that Kizaru uses to pierce people or a laser beam that destroys a mangrove tree or a lava flood or getting frozen or getting electrocuted.

Fact is, even if Oda says some fruit is strongest, he himself will be the first to find a way to counter it. Having said that, there is no strongest devil fruit in One Piece. There are only fruits with more advatages than others.

 

[Sakechi]

There is a strongest DF, given a category.
But yes, "uncounterable" (invincible) fruits don't exist. Being the strongest doesn't mean being impossible to counter.

 

[Avid]

I'm still working on it, but I've made my own 5 star grading system for Devil Fruits. I've only really hammered out the first two stars, but I'll show you what I've typed up so far. I chose a star grade system because Devil Fruits are food technically. xD

1 star-
2 star-
3 star-
4 star-
5 star-
? star-

The criteria for distinguishing a star grade is that the relevant factors can only be based on that which is a resulting ability of the Devil Fruit(DF). Additional factors such as weapons, haki, martial arts, misc. are irrelevant to grading a DF ability, including cases where they were used in tangent with the ability(i.e. Mr. 5's explosive breath bullets; Luffy's Red Hawk, etc.; Rob Lucci's Shigan; Chopper's Rumble Balls), and yes that includes Zoan weapons.

The primary determining factors are strengths and weaknesses. The secondary determining factors are nature(this is to note strengths and weaknesses in relation to other DF abilities), variety(this is to focus on the strengths to weaknesses ratio and measure how thorough of gifts are given), and last is potential, or x-factor(this is to measure that which we are not seeing applied).

1 stars can be considered superhuman, but their abilities have a small number of features that aren't very dynamic. Users of this grade can easily overwhelm those without DF abilities of their own or remarkable strength or skill with their powers. This grade is predominantly Paramecias, but I would say Zoan weapons largely fall into this grade too.

2 stars are the most common DF grade for Paramecias and Zoans, but a rare grade for Logia. Paramecia 2 stars require they have an ability that has a wide range of potential applications, and they typically are an ability based on a theme. Zoans are naturally given enhanced senses, strength multiplication, and the use of both their own and their Zoan's physical tools in tangent. All notable, but what makes them all definitively 2 star grade is their potential to 'awaken'. Logia also are naturally at the very least 2 stars because of their resilience and maneuverability, and in this grade these qualities make up the dominant part of their usage.

I'm still working on 3-5. It's a complicated process because of so many factors. 3 stars aren't so far off from 4 stars. They are the hardest to determine. I know that predator Zoans and Ancient Zoans are at least 3 stars. Mythical Zoans are at least 4 stars or higher. I know I consider Luffy's to be 4 stars. Crocodile is tricky to place. I've got a lot of work to do with it. I'll probably try to establish 5 and 4 before I do 3 to make it much more distinguishable.

 

[braindamage351]

Blackbeard can absorb fire, lightning, etc, with his darkness. He just has to do it actively. Every time he's gotten nailed by an attack, he was rambling like an idiot and not paying attention. Remember the end, when Ace and Blackbeard clashed with two giant final attacks? The island may have ended up like Punk Hazard if Blackbeard's power hadn't swallowed up Ace's.

And I don't really think we should bother judging DF powers independently of the user's strength. It's too speculative. Can Aokiji freeze the entire visible ocean because his fruit is stronger, or because he trained his fruit to master level? Probably the latter. If Akainu had the explosion fruit he could probably destroy an island with a single punch. If Garp had Robin's fruit he would have caught Gold Roger. But when we talk about what the ice fruit does, we are basing it on what we've seen.