Read the chapter. It is there. She has whiteout. There is even a gesture for that.
What proof is there? Except Suzaku cutting Selene and not cutting Dogramag. Selene also said she was faking her defeat to reach Georg. And there is no proof that she wasn't lying. There is ample proof where Selene seemingly was lying about her motives. Like her using Faris and trying to locate Athena.
Natsu was hitting Athena 2 who did not have his fire power. With his power, she was dominating all.
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He beat Selene only because she let him to to reach Georg for her revenge.
There's no statement that Athena II was the one who took Natsu's power. Nor any gesture that even hints that Athena II had whiteout. Athena II has never even *attempted* to use whiteout.
There is physical demonstration of Suzaku being able to cut Selene's skin, but not Dogramag's rocks. There is Selene's statement about her taking her fight with Suzaku seriously, and being no match for Suzaku in her human form. Official translation for good measure:
There's no statement that Athena II was the one who took Natsu's power. Nor any gesture that even hints that Athena II had whiteout. Athena II has never even *attempted* to use whiteout.
There is physical demonstration of Suzaku being able to cut Selene's skin, but not Dogramag's rocks. There is Selene's statement about her taking her fight with Suzaku seriously, and being no match for Suzaku in her human form.
Mouth to hand gesture I think. She did it though.And Erza even said Athena 2 was the one to defeat Natsu in last chapter. Kindly check.
Still no proof other than Selene also saying she let him hit her willingly. Selene was also shown lying to reach her son's killer. So not a trustable source either.
There's no statement that Athena II was the one who took Natsu's power. Nor any gesture that even hints that Athena II had whiteout. Athena II has never even *attempted* to use whiteout.
There is physical demonstration of Suzaku being able to cut Selene's skin, but not Dogramag's rocks. There is Selene's statement about her taking her fight with Suzaku seriously, and being no match for Suzaku in her human form. Official translation for good measure:
We can’t really take that as seriously as she does say she only then took his fight somewhat seriously, the fact that his sword can’t scratch his stones until he was weakened would show, makes no sense for someone stated to be weakest DG would be stronger than his pears, and Selene would still be stronger.
Mouth to hand gesture I think. She did it though.And Erza even said Athena 2 was the one to defeat Natsu in last chapter. Kindly check.
Still no proof other than Selene also saying she let him hit her willingly. Selene was also shown lying to reach her son's killer. So not a trustable source either.
Erza thought Athena II was the was the one to beat Natsu up because she was strong. This doesn't imply that she was the one who took Natsu's power. Again, the fact that Wendy and Rogue's powers returned to them after Duke was defeated suggests that Duke was the one who took their powers. If Natsu starts using fire without Athena being defeated, we'll have our answer. There's a very specific way how white out is drawn (spoilers tag below). We get a visual indicator of its power. We got none of that with Athena II. She just held out her hand, which apparently grew a mouth. Even if this is some sort of power that Athena could use to absorb Natsu's power, it really only works because Natsu was not fighting back. Duke had to threaten Natsu with Wendy because he thought that Athena II couldn't beat Natsu normally.
Either way, whiteout aside, Suzaku would wipe the floor with Athena II. It's not just Natsu that got back up in the latest chapter. Athena I got back up too. Athena I scales solidly under Duke in physical combat (he poked a hole in her), and she's still able to put up a fight against Athena II. Natsu has to use FDK defensively in the form of dragon scales just to not get oneshotted by Suzaku's basic attacks. Natsu was fighting with... half of LFD this chapter.
Selene didn't say she let him hit her willingly. She said she can't beat him in her human form. Selene only held back in the sense that she never resorted to using her dragon form. She said this after she killed Georg, so she had no reason to lie.
Erza thought Athena II was the was the one to beat Natsu up because she was strong. This doesn't imply that she was the one who took Natsu's power. Again, the fact that Wendy and Rogue's powers returned to them after Duke was defeated suggests that Duke was the one who took their powers. If Natsu starts using fire without Athena being defeated, we'll have our answer. There's a very specific way how white out is drawn (spoilers tag below). We get a visual indicator of its power. We got none of that with Athena II. She just held out her hand, which apparently grew a mouth. Even if this is some sort of power that Athena could use to absorb Natsu's power, it really only works because Natsu was not fighting back. Duke had to threaten Natsu with Wendy because he thought that Athena II couldn't beat Natsu normally.
Either way, whiteout aside, Suzaku would wipe the floor with Athena II. It's not just Natsu that got back up in the latest chapter. Athena I got back up too. Athena I scales solidly under Duke in physical combat (he poked a hole in her), and she's still able to put up a fight against Athena II. Natsu has to use FDK defensively in the form of dragon scales just to not get oneshotted by Suzaku's basic attacks. Natsu was fighting with... half of LFD this chapter.
Selene didn't say she let him hit her willingly. She said she can't beat him in her human form. Selene only held back in the sense that she never resorted to using her dragon form. She said this after she killed Georg, so she had no reason to lie.
Suzaku only beat her without Natsu flames. You cannot convince me otherwise. And about whiteout part, lets just disagree.
Selene is not a trustable source as I said before. I do think she lied though. If she is defeated by the likes of Suzaku, then ofc she is the weakest DG, which I seriously doubt .
Suzaku only beat her without Natsu flames. You cannot convince me otherwise. And about whiteout part, lets just disagree.
Selene is not a trustable source as I said before. I do think she lied though. If she is defeated by the likes of Suzaku, then ofc she is the weakest DG, which I seriously doubt .
you can also add that IF human selene is weaker than suzaku and dragons are weak to dragon slaying magic, turning into a dragon in front of suzaku would be suicide for selene.
ignia can casually destroy dogramog rocks (which suzaku couldnt even scratch), lol, he should have evaporate selene just by being near her.
human selene being weaker than suzaku makes no sense.
That means Human Selene is trash for a God tier which isn't the case as she forced Human Ignia to transform first. Human Selene >>> Elefseria >= Dragon Dog >>> Human Dog >>> Nerfed Human Dog >>> Suzaku. Selene already stated he was no match for Dog while she could have beaten him. Not to mention she foddered Elefseria who shits on Suzaku as he beat an unnerfed Dragon Dogra as a human.
Selene lied point blank. You guys can wank that one off statement to kingdom come, but at the end of the day, Suzaku is just another Gild tier character who got washed by every human DG who didn't purposely take a dive or had a connection to him. Gild tier isn't nowhere near close to God tier level and that is apparent from the Alvarez arc all the way to the Gold Owl arc.
Erza wins decisively now. If they fought in R2, he would have lost just like his peer Misaki did. She has taken on people as powerful as Suzaku but with far more hax. A healthy Erza would struggle for a bit until she stops playing around and gives him FT "oneshot" treatment that his peers and Gold Owl got lmao
"FoRcEd IgNiA To tRaNsFoRm FiRsT" one of the most asinine takes I've seen. Dragons fighting in human form is literally waste of everyone's time.
Eileen fanboy sighted=opinion rejected
That is irrelevant as it is Ignia that does it first meaning he is no match for Selene in human form Or can match but needs to transform fast to defeat her before she could.
Suzaku only beat her without Natsu flames. You cannot convince me otherwise. And about whiteout part, lets just disagree.
Selene is not a trustable source as I said before. I do think she lied though. If she is defeated by the likes of Suzaku, then ofc she is the weakest DG, which I seriously doubt .
Athena II didn't even take all of Natsu's power. Natsu still has enough MP to beat up Duke. Suzaku requires Natsu to use FDK scales just to not get oneshotted, and abyss requires him to focus all his power on defense.
Selene isn't the weakest god dragon. She just has the least durable human form. In her dragon form, her scales are tougher than Dogramag's rocks because they don't melt from Ignia's passive body heat. Dogramag happens to have the most durable human form because his body is made out of the same rocks as the labyrinth. Duke is supposedly the voice of Viernes, and he just got two-shotted by half of LFD last chapter.
you can also add that IF human selene is weaker than suzaku and dragons are weak to dragon slaying magic, turning into a dragon in front of suzaku would be suicide for selene.
ignia can casually destroy dogramog rocks (which suzaku couldnt even scratch), lol, he should have evaporate selene just by being near her.
human selene being weaker than suzaku makes no sense.
No, because the added durability of their dragon form outweighs the increased weakness to dragonslaying magic. Every single god dragon is more durable in their god dragon form than their human forms, even against dragon slayers that are stronger than them.
Im sure Suzaku had to actually use magic on the walls he was trying to melt...Otherwise the labyrinth floor, made of the same material, would melt under his feet. He simply never even attacked Selene in his human form.
Suzaku literally defeated human Selene, and then Selene literally admits she's weaker. than Selene. The argument that Selene held back goes against all actual evidence, and is pure speculation.
That means Human Selene is trash for a God tier which isn't the case as she forced Human Ignia to transform first. Human Selene >>> Elefseria >= Dragon Dog >>> Human Dog >>> Nerfed Human Dog >>> Suzaku. Selene already stated he was no match for Dog while she could have beaten him. Not to mention she foddered Elefseria who shits on Suzaku as he beat an unnerfed Dragon Dogra as a human.
Selene lied point blank. You guys can wank that one off statement to kingdom come, but at the end of the day, Suzaku is just another Gild tier character who got washed by every human DG who didn't purposely take a dive or had a connection to him. Gild tier isn't nowhere near close to God tier level and that is apparent from the Alvarez arc all the way to the Gold Owl arc.
Erza wins decisively now. If they fought in R2, he would have lost just like his peer Misaki did. She has taken on people as powerful as Suzaku but with far more hax. A healthy Erza would struggle for a bit until she stops playing around and gives him FT "oneshot" treatment that his peers and Gold Owl got lmao
Selene didnt force Ignia into transforming. They both transformed because they didnt want to bother wasting time in their human forms when they both knew their real strength lies in their dragon form.
The BDSK have Gildarts level MP, but MP doesnt matter. Selene was flexing her god dragon level MP, which Mercphovia sensed as greater than his level or Aldoron's. There's no question that Selene has more MP than any of the BDSK, even in her human form. Suzaku still beat her.
It's not just the statement. Suzaku won the actual fight, which speaks for itself. The statement debunks the excuse for why the fight isnt valid, because Selene herself said she took the fight seriously but simply cannot defeat Suzaku in her human form. So a new excuse has to be made, speculating that Selene is lying. Problem is, this makes no sense. Selene gains nothing by lying to Suzaku about an insignificant detail.
Elfseria was a beast in his prime, but he's been rendered unable to fight after he lost his heart. What Selene did to him doesnt scale to anything. Similarily, Selene isn't saying that she would fight Dogramag in her human form. So again, it doesnt scale to anything. What you're asking us to do is ignore the actual result of the actual fight between Suzaku vs Selene, and ignore the actual explanation Selene gave to why she lost... In order to powerscale from vague statements. This is all unnecessary. There's no reason to assume the god dragons all have equal human forms in the first place. Their human forms are transformation magic. It's entirely reasonable why some people might just be better or worse while fighting with it, especially since their durability in human form is determined by the *other* magic they use.
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Suzaku just flat out has the best feats of any non god dragon character since he showed up. He oneshotted Erza and base Natsu, beat Selene, stalemated FDK Natsu, then carried Natsu against Dogramag. He's the only member of Diabolos that's never been defeated after facing Natsu, Erza, and 3 god dragons. Even when he ran outta power, his sword allowed Natsu to slay a dragon in base. Y'all have to assume Selene is lying, and attribute the losses of other BDSK unto him, to make an argument.
Erza still reacted to Suzaku, she just didn’t have the best armor for defense. With Natsu he could just charge in blindly since he lets his emotions guide him. Selene played Suzaku as she said, let’s face it he would be defeated by Natsu had Ignia not interfered as Dog Dude showed he could down even him while Natsu kept on fighting. He sword is not really special other than passing magic through, she said she would not mind losing before “losing” as that is a distortion, the only thing she valued.
No, because the added durability of their dragon form outweighs the increased weakness to dragonslaying magic. Every single god dragon is more durable in their god dragon form than their human forms, even against dragon slayers that are stronger than them.
Im sure Suzaku had to actually use magic on the walls he was trying to melt...Otherwise the labyrinth floor, made of the same material, would melt under his feet. He simply never even attacked Selene in his human form.
Suzaku literally defeated human Selene, and then Selene literally admits she's weaker. than Selene. The argument that Selene held back goes against all actual evidence, and is pure speculation.
you dont know this. you have no idea how dragons are. dragon gods are just stronger dragons. if dragons are weak to ds, than so are dragon gods.
just like you, suzaku nor erza nor natsu know much about dragon durability. and yet natsu is defending against suzaku sword using dragon scales, which you believe is better defense than erza's against suzaku, a ds
we have only two examples
Irene vs erza. with irene being much stronger than erza
and
selene vs suzaku with suzaku being stronger than selene (according to you)
and now you have added another natsu dragon scales vs suzaku
actual evidence is dogramag is weaker than selene. dogramag stomped natsu and suzaku. nerfed dogramag required natsu and suzaku union. and suzaku himself beat selene
we also can see that stronger base means stronger dragon form. ToH df natsu is weaker than alverzec base natsu, and his df will get even stronger. base aconlogia is stronger than human irene, his dragon form will be even more stronger
so if human selene is weaker than human dogramag, then everything points to dragon selene being weaker than dragon dogramag. everything you added to this are variable designed by you specifically to get the result you want (something like how gmg jura will have difficulties stopping jellal sema, while alverzec erza, who is weaker than dragon irene by alot, should have less difficulty stopping dues sema)
you dont know this. you have no idea how dragons are. dragon gods are just stronger dragons. if dragons are weak to ds, than so are dragon gods.
just like you, suzaku nor erza nor natsu know much about dragon durability. and yet natsu is defending against suzaku sword using dragon scales, which you believe is better defense than erza's against suzaku, a ds
we have only two examples
Irene vs erza. with irene being much stronger than erza
and
selene vs suzaku with suzaku being stronger than selene (according to you)
and now you have added another natsu dragon scales vs suzaku
actual evidence is dogramag is weaker than selene. dogramag stomped natsu and suzaku. nerfed dogramag required natsu and suzaku union. and suzaku himself beat selene
we also can see that stronger base means stronger dragon form. ToH df natsu is weaker than alverzec base natsu, and his df will get even stronger. base aconlogia is stronger than human irene, his dragon form will be even more stronger
so if human selene is weaker than human dogramag, then everything points to dragon selene being weaker than dragon dogramag. everything you added to this are variable designed by you specifically to get the result you want (something like how gmg jura will have difficulties stopping jellal sema, while alverzec erza, who is weaker than dragon irene by alot, should have less difficulty stopping dues sema)
I do know this. Every single dragon god has shown better durability in their dragon form than their human forms.
Im willing to bet Suzaku and Natsu know more about a dragon's durability than any other human in the series.
Yeah, absolutely. Suzaku broke Erza's sword and knocked her unconscious for several chapters. FDK scales tanked the move that defeated human Selene.
Irene isnt a god dragon. Mercphobia got injured by Kyria in human form. No sold team Natsu with DS enchantments in dragon from. Selene defeated by Suzaku in human form. Tanked hits from Ignia in dragon form.
Nerfed Dogramag could have been soloed by Suzaku if he was fresh. The abyss he used on Natsu earlier would have done the job, unless you believe Natsu hits harder than Suzaku with his own sword. In which case, this thread is a bigger stomp than it already is.
No it doesnt. Dragon forms are just transformation magic. Dogramag having a stronger human form than Selne is a product of him being able to create rocks Suzaku cannot cut. Selene can break those rocks in her dragon form.
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I dont believe Jura has the agility to jump up to a meteor, or the physical strength to smash it. It has nothing to do with how strong he is compared to Jellal. I think Jura could simply tank the hit.
