Fantasy Suzaku vs Irene Belserion

[LaGOAT]

Why? Anything happened in the last 2 chapters?

I'm taking a break from reading the series

Laxus showed up my brother

 

[Axiomus]

except that Suzaku got a handicap on them with them not being peak condition, especially since they are in Elterir where magic is amped anyway. And all Erza and Laxus did was destroyed a tower in Aldoron arc, Gildarts basically uplifted the landscape and casually broke a mountain. Accept Suzaku was cowarding before her dragon form while Natsu basically defeated Aldoron while he is close to his peak, the difference is vast.

There's very little difference between the condition they were in and their peaks. Natsu only got hit by Lucy a couple of times, and Erza only took 1 hit from Youko. The damage they received is negligible. Other than a few scratches, Natsu and Erza were basically in top shape. Natsu was in worse condition going into his fight with Zeref and Acno than he was going into his fight with Suzaku. Same can be said about Erza going into her fight with Irene.

Erza destroyed Irene's meteor. Laxus killed Wall. Both are more impressive than smashing a mountain or leveling the landscape, which base/FDK Natsu can do. The only thing that puts Gildarts above Erza and Laxus are statements about how he's Fairy Tail's strongest, and that doesn't put him into a tier of his own.

Selene is above Aldoron altogether, and Natsu only beat Aldo because he was nerfed. Without the nerfs, Natsu wouldn't even be able to react to Aldo's speed. He could maybe put a hole in Dragon Aldo's body, but the seed would just dodge and skewer him afterwards. Suzaku would kill the seed, even without any nerfs.

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You're talking about the potential Gildarts in x793 right? Cause x793 Erza most likely is on or above x792 Gildarts, or at least very damn close.

Yes. The gap between X792 Erza/Laxus and X792 Gildarts isn't anywhere near large enough for a tier.

 

[WoWfan]

damage was done anyway, and they expended magic power, so they were not at their peak regardles, while Suzaku is peak and empowered by that world. Natsu basically recovered after his demon seed ordeal to fight against Zeref, twice, and Acno was not even a solo victory as it required help, Erza was hardly injured, and when she started getting injured it was from Irene’s magic. Erza still had a power up and Laxus was powered by his Red Lightning, base Wall is slightly above Laxus physically, hardly as they were upper limit while Gildarts was casual. Even nerfs are minuscule as he stated, no proof since that is dragon body and the seed are the same in strength so Suzaku would cower in fear.

 

[Axiomus]

damage was done anyway, and they expended magic power, so they were not at their peak regardles, while Suzaku is peak and empowered by that world. Natsu basically recovered after his demon seed ordeal to fight against Zeref, twice, and Acno was not even a solo victory as it required help, Erza was hardly injured, and when she started getting injured it was from Irene’s magic. Erza still had a power up and Laxus was powered by his Red Lightning, base Wall is slightly above Laxus physically, hardly as they were upper limit while Gildarts was casual. Even nerfs are minuscule as he stated, no proof since that is dragon body and the seed are the same in strength so Suzaku would cower in fear.

Negligible damage that doesn't make a difference.

Suzaku would have only received the same boost as anyone else.

Natsu fought Gray before Zeref. He fought Lucy before Suzaku.

Doesn't matter if Natsu didn't solo Acno. He wasn't solo against Suzaku either. He had the whole team. It's just that Merc stomped him and Erza in quick succession, and the others ran away.

Erza's injuries to her hands were worse than whatever she took from Youko.

Aldoron's dragon form is way stronger than his seed lol. It would crush Natsu.

 

[WoWfan]

Negligible if you want, but still damage, Not really same boost when the other party has expended their own amount of magic power, which he recovered from, and Gray was not, one had serious wounds and the other had negligible wounds, Natsu was not holding back against Lucy and he was in pain from her attacks. Again, not at his peak condition, the whole team did not help him in the fight, he literally went at him on his own, Merc did not get involved there. Hardly, they were not spriggan damage at least, Aldoron literally stated that all the power of the main body is in the god seed.

 

[Axiomus]

Negligible if you want, but still damage, Not really same boost when the other party has expended their own amount of magic power, which he recovered from, and Gray was not, one had serious wounds and the other had negligible wounds, Natsu was not holding back against Lucy and he was in pain from her attacks. Again, not at his peak condition, the whole team did not help him in the fight, he literally went at him on his own, Merc did not get involved there. Hardly, they were not spriggan damage at least, Aldoron literally stated that all the power of the main body is in the god seed.

Yeah, completely negligible. Doesn't make a bit of difference. Suzaku would have done the same even if Natsu and Erza were at full strength. Natsu only took a few slaps from Lucy and Erza only got hit by Youko.

Suzaku received the exact same boost as everyone else. Suzaku expended his MP to destroy the Tsumakea too.

It's ridiculous to imply that Natsu was in better shape going into his fight with Zeref than going into his fight with Suzaku. Before Zeref, Natsu fought seriously with Gray and suffered massively from a life-threatening cancer. Before fighting Suzaku, Natsu got slapped by Lucy. And Natsu held back massively against Lucy.

The whole team was too slow and too scared to help him. They were present. They just couldn't do anything.

Yeah, their MP maybe. Obviously not their physical strength. Same difference between Irene's human and dragon form, only Irene is stronger than Aldoron altogether.

 

[WoWfan]

Yeah, completely negligible. Doesn't make a bit of difference. Suzaku would have done the same even if Natsu and Erza were at full strength. Natsu only took a few slaps from Lucy and Erza only got hit by Youko.

Suzaku received the exact same boost as everyone else. Suzaku expended his MP to destroy the Tsumakea too.

It's ridiculous to imply that Natsu was in better shape going into his fight with Zeref than going into his fight with Suzaku. Before Zeref, Natsu fought seriously with Gray and suffered massively from a life-threatening cancer. Before fighting Suzaku, Natsu got slapped by Lucy. And Natsu held back massively against Lucy.

The whole team was too slow and too scared to help him. They were present. They just couldn't do anything.

Yeah, their MP maybe. Obviously not their physical strength. Same difference between Irene's human and dragon form, only Irene is stronger than Aldoron altogether.

Does make a difference, no proof there a full strength considering that at full strength Natsu could fight a slightly weakened DG, but anyway, Lucy who was powered up and he was hurt by it, Erza got hit more than once. no statement about the exact same, but the others definitely used up portions of their power already before fighting, He only reason he was down because of the demon seed, which he got up normally later, in his fight with Lucy he was clearly hurt by her, he said countless times that he would beat his friends if it meant getting them back to normal. Too slow what? Erza could react to him, she was not in top shape, they were more surprised, He said the size of the main body is the same as the god seed’s strength.

 

[Kenneth Latorre]

My boy suzaku putting fear on everyone. Sorry nerds, spriggans stay where they belong, in the traaaaaash.

 

[WoWfan]

And yet Suzaku coward before a DG more than any other compared to Natsu, even Brandish did not show fear When Aldoron awakened, surprised, but not cowarding.

 

[grey matter]

Laxus showed up my brother

Yeah, I heard about it. Nice!

Thanks for letting me know anyway, I'll start reading when his fight begins

There's very little difference between the condition they were in and their peaks. Natsu only got hit by Lucy a couple of times, and Erza only took 1 hit from Youko. The damage they received is negligible. Other than a few scratches, Natsu and Erza were basically in top shape. Natsu was in worse condition going into his fight with Zeref and Acno than he was going into his fight with Suzaku. Same can be said about Erza going into her fight with Irene.

It's pointless, you're just wasting your time. They'll never accept they're wrong and will keep making ridiculous excuses. The fact that they even make this excuse for Suzaku while ignoring it all together for Eileen should tell it all. Complete bad faith arguments

Yes. The gap between X792 Erza/Laxus and X792 Gildarts isn't anywhere near large enough for a tier.

I think x792 Gildarts is a tier above x792 Laxus, but yea x792 Laxus would give him a mid diff and in no way would get one shot or stomped.

Yeah, their MP maybe. Obviously not their physical strength. Same difference between Irene's human and dragon form, only Irene is stronger than Aldoron altogether.

You mean Selene

 

[Axiomus]

You mean Selene

Yes. What can I say? Typing on phone is hard.

 

[grey matter]

Which he cant as Acno is immun to Magic.And Zeref has the right hax to deal with the DG´s

Doesn't mean they can't be Acno tier in stats.

It's not even like dragons being on Acno tier is unheard of. When we already saw one many arcs ago in Igneel.
DGs are Acno tier in the same way Igneel was. It's that simple

Zeref is fodder to any DG

Except Acno and Zeref,while for Acno,the magicpower of the whole Continent was needed

Base Zeref would get one shot by every single DG

FH Zeref might beat some simply because he can outlast everyone who can't burn/counter his time-space magic. But he'll have to revive himself a thousand times before any of the DGs run out of steam

Guess what Acno would done if he faced them.He got taken out via U1 and later chased Christina...like wtf

Hiro can retcon as much as he wants,until Natsu crystal clear claims any of the DG´s are stronger as the old Villains,Acno stands at the top of the foodchain

I've never claimed they're superior to Acno. I've only claimed they're relative to Acno, which is clearly what the author wants to establish, at minimum. If you don't get it, you're literally arguing against Mashima.

IMO Acno vs any of the DGs would be a high-extreme diff win for Acno.

The fact still remains that they're so powerful that, for any character on and before x792, they wouldn't even know the difference.
For any character (bar Acno) in Alverass arc, Acno or DG would look the same, considering Acno's magic resistance/eating ability wouldn't even come into picture against anyone in x792, he's simply one shot them with pure stats the moment he gets serious

 

[WoWfan]

Zeref was killing one of the DG with his powers to the point the seed had to retreat. Zeref base is multi-continent level scaling to the Phoenix, which would be same level, likely higher based on the smaller feats of DGs.

 

[Static]

Zeref was killing one of the DG with his powers to the point the seed had to retreat. Zeref base is multi-continent level scaling to the Phoenix, which would be same level, likely higher based on the smaller feats of DGs.

>base is multi-continental
>fist fights with Natsu

 

[WoWfan]

>base is multi-continental
>fist fights with Natsu

Scaling is a thing you know.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

How is Zeref comparable to Phoenix whose feats are better than Zeref.

 

[WoWfan]

How is Zeref comparable to Phoenix whose feats are better than Zeref.

The Magic Council stated that the Phoenix’s power rivals that of Zeref’s, so they scale.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

The Magic Council stated that the Phoenix’s power rivals that of Zeref’s, so they scale.

Why should I believe in a magic council who didn't even know Zeref was alive. Zeref has no feats that put him anywhere near Phoenix. You don't believe DG is Acno tier from Elfseria words who has the same knowledge as Magic Council or better. But belive in the council to put Zeref close to phoenix.

 

[WoWfan]

Why should I believe in a magic council who didn't even know Zeref was alive. Zeref has no feats that put him anywhere near Phoenix. You don't believe DG is Acno tier from Elfseria words who has the same knowledge as Magic Council or better. But belive in the council to put Zeref close to phoenix.

They knew about the Dragon Gods, and of Acnologia, and of Zeref’s works, even possessed weapons that are meant to kill the beast, especially when the Black Wizard was hiding on an island hidden from the rest of the world, I didn’t said they were not the same tier (despite my reservations), just not RoT Acno level. And just like Elf, MC can’t track the status of everything, but that doesn’t make them not a source of information.

 

[Steven]

Doesn't mean they can't be Acno tier in stats.

I never disagreed with that.I have Pre-RoT Acno~Full Power DG´s in terms of stats

It's not even like dragons being on Acno tier is unheard of. When we already saw one many arcs ago in Igneel.
DGs are Acno tier in the same way Igneel was. It's that simple

Is still think Igneel being able to rip Acno´s arm off is shit tier written but its canon,so yes,they can do the same

FH Zeref might beat some simply because he can outlast everyone who can't burn/counter his time-space magic. But he'll have to revive himself a thousand times before any of the DGs run out of steam

True,but in the end he wins

I've never claimed they're superior to Acno. I've only claimed they're relative to Acno, which is clearly what the author wants to establish, at minimum. If you don't get it, you're literally arguing against Mashima.

Oh,i get it,in my book Pre-RoT Acno defeats a DG in a upper high-extreme Diff battle