Fantasy Team Spriggan vs Parent Dragons

[Orphan Prince]

Irene

God Serena

Brandish

Dimaria

Vs

Parent Dragons

Conditions
Irene starts in Dragon Form
Dimaria starts in Chronos Soul
God Serena starts in Dragon Slayer Mode
Spriggans are pre-enchanted by Irene
Dimaria and Brandish have the ability to kill Dragons (So they aren't useless, let's say Irene enchanted them, I dunno)
Brandish is allowed to use her Command T on everyone on her team (regardless of MP)
Spriggans are Bloodlusted

Restrictions
None

Intent
To Kill

Location
Hargeon

Distance
40 feet

 

[Seven777]

I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the Parent Dragons and say that they're stronger than GMG Dragons due to hype, but other than that they are pretty much featless, flying across Magnolia doesn't impress me. The comparison to FH is fine, but really that just means that all 6 of them combined are around FH Zeref tier.

So spriggans clear I say, all these dragons are the same strength as far as I'm concerned. Dimaria doesnt do much, but a Brandish+Eileen+God Serena combination is too much for a single one of these dragons to match imo.

 

[Tirl]

Make it Irene vs all 4 - and she still wins low-no diff.

4 against one per fight is a stomp.

I believe even Brandish alone can beat all those dragons in 1 on 1.

Parent Dragons were never stated to be above other dragons. Igneel - yes, he has title of the King among fire dragons and thats all.

If some one believe that soulless (or in soul form, I dont get that weird stuff with Acno ripped their souls, lets say - he is almost dead) Igneel can match not serious Acno... there is nothing to say. Maybe they forgot that Acno ripped Igeel and Parent Dragons and half of their race

 

[Hexbend]

Gotta go with the Spriggans mainly due to Serena and Irene.

The parents dragons best feat was a speed feat and one of the best in series (falling short to Dues Sema) considering they flew across Ishgar destroying 3000 faces in seconds. Sadly that's all we got from them and I honestly don't think that's enough.

 

[Nemispelled]

I think the parent dragons are too underrated.

I don't see how any one of these Spriggans are capable of killing a real dragon, as none of them have ever shown the capability to do so. These parent dragons all obviously have the basic 99% bone-crushing physical strength that any dragon would normally have AND have some sort of dragon slaying magic.

Irene = Alvarez Erza + Alvarez Wendy
Brandish/Dimaria = Enhanted Neinhart & TO Chelia
God Serena = Irene = Alvarez Erza + Alvarez Wendy

One hit from any of the parent dragon's DS magic and Dragon Irene is finished. The rest of the humans can be claw-swiped like Erza. Just because you have dragon slaying magic doesn't mean that you can automatically kill a dragon.

God Serena was never hinted to be on Irene's level throughout Alvarez Arc, and even if he was, he'd only be the equivalent of Erza + Wendy at best. As a result, I'm not willing to exaggerate God Serena's feats for the sake of Team Spriggan winning.

Combine the above information with the parent dragon's speed feats, and it's a blitz round. Spriggans lose and stop at the first parent dragon.


EDIT:

And to make my point even more clear, each parent dragon has a massive aerial advantage here, as they are all capable of flight at high altitudes.

Dragon Irene is the only one who can maybe even possibly be capable of getting off the ground and there's no way a real dragon is losing to a reversible one like Irene if it came down to a 1v1.

 

[sharkai]

how many parent dragons are there?
is this four against four?
and are all springgans ds?

if so then springgans win
EOS erza is like one of the strongest good guys around, only below EOS natsu and igneel.
there is also plot relevance. igneel is strong because he is father of natsu the MC. we can easily go from there, and easily conclude that gradeney aint beating anything like irene, nor is metalcana.

others springgans could be weaker than parent dragons, but i think they are stronger. with irene the springgan should pull a win.

 

[Orphan Prince]

how many parent dragons are there?
is this four against four?
and are all springgans ds?

if so then springgans win
EOS erza is like one of the strongest good guys around, only below EOS natsu and igneel.
there is also plot relevance. igneel is strong because he is father of natsu the MC. we can easily go from there, and easily conclude that gradeney aint beating anything like irene, nor is metalcana.

others springgans could be weaker than parent dragons, but i think they are stronger. with irene the springgan should pull a win.

It's one on four each round.

Dimaria and Brandish don't have Dragon Slayer Magic, like not like Serena and Irene, they can't use Dragon Slayer Spells or powerup like them, it's just to make things fair to those two so they can hurt/kill Dragons with their Magic so that way they aren't only useful for support so they could actually play an active role in the fights.

 

[sharkai]

It's one on four each round.

Dimaria and Brandish don't have Dragon Slayer Magic, like not like Serena and Irene, they can't use Dragon Slayer Spells or powerup like them, it's just to make things fair to those two so they can hurt/kill Dragons with their Magic so that way they aren't only useful for support so they could actually play an active role in the fights.

one on four?

4 springgans vs one parent dragon

its a stomp

 

[Axiomus]

Parent dragons win. They're being underrated here.

Destroying face is a feat that nobody else in the series can realistically replicate with the feats they have. I don't even think current FT members combined can replicate the face feat. DF Natsu can maybe resist it's effect and wipe out 4-5 before he runs out of MP. That's about it. Imagine for one second that a mage had the power of face. Everybody else in the series is doing less than that. Imagine if there was a mage that can summon 3000 stone pillars across a continent and solo every single mage on Ishgal. This hypothetical mage would shoot right to the top of the power scale above Zeref. Think of how overpowered Faris was. Faris doesn't have continental level influence and she was able to White Out the entire FT guild. Imagine if it took 3000 attacks from a dragon to take down Faris. That's what face is.

Deus Sema isn't a speed feat. Its speed in space is irrelevant, because there's no air resistance in space. Once deus sema enters the atmosphere, Erza and Irene had pages of dialogue on the ground. And this has nothing to do Erza being fast, because we're talking about dialogue here. In the anime, this dialogue took around 2 minutes.

Erza is nowhere near Igneel's level. Tbh, she's not even near current Natsu's level. Erza is much closer to Laxus' level than she is to DF Natsu. Let alone Igneel.

 

[Majio]

Brandish can solo here considering what Gajeel did to Aldoron. She has the strength to oneshot them once gigantified.

Irene can solo for obvious reasons as well

Parent dragons have no portrayal to place them above the Spriggan 12. Not to mention Silver instantly froze Atlas Flame, yes he was weakened but Silver is a fodder to the Spriggan.

 

[Nemispelled]

It's true that the parent dragons lack sufficient feats (this is a fantasy battle after all), but in a fight like this, feats aren't everything. Throughout the series, we've seen the following recurring theme and pattern - just because you are a Dragon Slayer, it doesn't mean you have what it takes to kill a real dragon.

This emphasis alone already makes a strong argument for the parent dragons' superior hype and portrayal.

And sure, the Spriggans have actual feats, but they have only been tested against human characters and are therefore meaningless. It'd be far-fetched to assume that they could replicate those same feats against a real dragon, regardless if they were given DS-infused magic or not.



Dragon Irene is the only Spriggan here with a decent chance of putting up a fight... if it weren't for the fact that she could be instantly reverted back to her human form with just a little DS magic + strength equal to Alvarez Erza, both of which the parent dragons possess and have even far surpassed.

Brandish's size manipulation is practically useless if the parent dragons launch to the skies at the start of the battle and swoop in for the claw-swipe kill using their proven speed feats. Besides, the bigger they are, the harder they fall.

 

[Jko]

Irene solos. Branish with DS magic solos. God Serena stomps. DiMaria stomps.

These guys DC feats are only hill level and multi-mountain through scaling to the GMG Dragons. Silver and Mard Geer alone are multi-mountain and they are fodder to the S12.

Spriggans murderstomp by feats. Irene and Brandish alone have far better DC and dura feats than all of Dragons combined. Irene's Deus Sema > Parent Dragon's speed feat by actual calculations and just visual representation.

Destroying a bunch of hill size objects that don't fight back is not an impressive dc or dura feat.

Only noteworthy parent dragon by portrayal was Igneel. No one ever talked about Grandeeney, Metalicana, or Rogue's and Sting's parents (see I even forgot their names lol). Irene has more clout in the verse than all the parent dragons (bar Igneel ofc).

 

[grey matter]

Un-fucking-believable Spriggan wank going on here lmao

Spriggans won't even be able to react to the parent dragons speed. Any of them solo. Give me ONE Spriggan who has shown even close to speed feat that parent dragons had. These dragons covered a giant continent multiple times in minutes.
While, God Serena got one shot by human Acno's speed while August, the strongest Spriggan, couldn't even react. None of the Spriggans would even be able to react to speeds that parent dragons are capable of.

Also, parent dragons >> Animus by portrayal, and weakened Animus no diff'd Alverez Natsu. Natsu needed his most dragonized DF to win against Animus.
Alverez Natsu (no DF) > all Spriggan except August and Eileen.

Irene solos. Branish with DS magic solos. God Serena stomps. DiMaria stomps.

These guys DC feats are only hill level and multi-mountain through scaling to the GMG Dragons. Silver and Mard Geer alone are multi-mountain and they are fodder to the S12.

Spriggans murderstomp by feats. Irene and Brandish alone have far better DC and dura feats than all of Dragons combined. Irene's Deus Sema > Parent Dragon's speed feat by actual calculations and just visual representation.

Destroying a bunch of hill size objects that don't fight back is not an impressive dc or dura feat.

Only noteworthy parent dragon by portrayal was Igneel. No one ever talked about Grandeeney, Metalicana, or Rogue's and Sting's parents (see I even forgot their names lol). Irene has more clout in the verse than all the parent dragons (bar Igneel ofc).

Lmao, why does DC feats matter?
Did Igneel show any DC feat above a city level? Natsu's final attack on Zeref was building level. Serena got killed by an attack that made zero destruction. Evidently AOE of the attacks isn't a conclusive pointer towards attack power. Attack power is what matters, not DC/AOE

Deus Sema's speed in space is irrelevant. When it reached earth, it was quite slow to the point that Erza and Eileen were able to talk before Erza destroyed it.
And it doesn't scale to Eileen's speed, it's just the attack's speed. Eileen herself has shown speed nowhere CLOSE to what parent dragons had shown,

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Brandish can solo here considering what Gajeel did to Aldoron. She has the strength to oneshot them once gigantified.

Irene can solo for obvious reasons as well

Parent dragons have no portrayal to place them above the Spriggan 12. Not to mention Silver instantly froze Atlas Flame, yes he was weakened but Silver is a fodder to the Spriggan.

Gajeel didn't do jack to Aldoron? Gajeel did as much to Aldo as Makarov did to Acno. Stall him for a while, when the dragon wasn't serious. The moment he got serious, it was implied that Gajeel would've got one shot if Brandish's spell didn't run out. And note, this is by a weakened Aldo.
Size =/= strength. What suggests that Brandish would have strength to ONE SHOT parent dragons in her giant form?

Yea no, not obvious.

We've got weakened Animus who no diff'd Alverez Natsu (no DF).
Alverez Natsu (no DF) > all Spriggans except August and Eileen (and maybe Larcade & Serena too I suppose). This alone puts weakened Animus >>> rest of the Spriggans.
Parent dragons obviously have portrayal over regular dragons like Animus.

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I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt to the Parent Dragons and say that they're stronger than GMG Dragons due to hype, but other than that they are pretty much featless, flying across Magnolia doesn't impress me. The comparison to FH is fine, but really that just means that all 6 of them combined are around FH Zeref tier.

So spriggans clear I say, all these dragons are the same strength as far as I'm concerned. Dimaria doesnt do much, but a Brandish+Eileen+God Serena combination is too much for a single one of these dragons to match imo.

Any one of these dragons could've accomplished the same, in four minutes instead of one minute.

 

[Tirl]

I know Irene has wank. I know Mira has WANK. I know Natsu is sooooo wanked that some people think he can beat Acnologia.

But I never knew there is so high wank on Parent Dragons, that people place them ABOVE a wizard who smashed dragons like nothing 400 years ago, while being much weaker herself. Its so stupid

 

[grey matter]

I know Irene has wank. I know Mira has WANK. I know Natsu is sooooo wanked that some people think he can beat Acnologia.

But I never knew there is so high wank on Parent Dragons, that people place them ABOVE a wizard who smashed dragons like nothing 400 years ago, while being much weaker herself. Its so stupid

Look who's talking, you're the ultimate example of Eileen wank lmao. You think Eileen no-diff all 4 parent dragons at the same time.

Yea no, we haven't seen anyone except Acno smash dragons like nothing 400 years back. All other dragon slayers were involved in rigorous battles, since it was said that humans + allied dragons, and enemy dragons were in stalemate until Acno showed up. For all we know, everyone else worked in teams, along with their allied dragons, to defeat the enemy dragons.
And the parent dragons aren't your average dragons either. They obviously have special portrayal, considering they were involved in the ploy to beat Acnologia. You think Igneel would take in any random average dragon who is one shottable by Acno to help him in his battle?

Why don't you give actual arguments on feats, big guy? I've feats on my side:
- weakened Animus no diffing Alverez Natsu (no DF). Animus is an average dragon, parent dragons > average dragons.
- parent dragons giving us the FASTEST feats ever seen in the series

 

[Tirl]

They obviously have special portrayal, considering they were involved in the ploy to beat Acnologia. You think Igneel would take in any random average dragon who is one shottable by Acno to help him in his battle?

No special portrayal. Yes, when there is no more dragons - who else should he take?? xd Maybe those were his friends or something. Nothing stated that they are above other dragons.

weakened Animus no diffing Alverez Natsu (no DF). Animus is an average dragon, parent dragons > average dragons.

Parents dragons - average dragons. Nothing more, nothing less.

Alverez Natsu (no DF) > all Spriggans except August and Eileen (and maybe Larcade & Serena too I suppose). This alone puts weakened Animus >>> rest of the Spriggans.

This is the funnest one. Invel, Brandish, Dimaria, August, Irene - already proved that they could nodiff Natsu easier than Animus. Larcade, Serena, maybe Jacob - could win too.

Want to believe in Natsu's wank? You are welcome. But if mc win everything - it doesnt mean he is stronger or he can win in normal battle. Especially when it already proven that they can win against him.

If Natsu beats god dragon, it doesnt mean he is so strong, it means dragon was so weak.
Natsu killed buffed Animus in his most dragonized form. Does it mean Animus was as strong as Natsu? No. He could been tiers below.

The most stupid thing to do - rate characters based on MC fights.
Natsu losed to Aria and won against Gajeel. Natsu was almost dead on Tenrou and still fought Hades like new. Natsu was nodiffed by Zeref and... we all know the end.


Their fastest feat means nothing in battle. Cristina can fly at high speed too. Does it mean anything in battle? Can marathon runner outspeed Usain Bolt at 100m run? Or can Usain Bolt beat Bruce Lee in agility?

 

[grey matter]

Whoa, we going to territory where Spriggans can no diff NATSU, eh? I'm done lol. You're out here denying the power of the strongest FT member.

And yes, savage flames Natsu > FH Zeref. DF Natsu > base Zeref. Regular Alverez Natsu one shotted Jacob and 2 shotted enchanted fodderhart

Hades stomped team Natsu regardless, so yea. Back then Hades >> Natsu. This isn't something Spriggans did. Which Spriggan managed to stomp Natsu? Tell me, I'll wait.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

This is the funnest one. Invel, Brandish, Dimaria, August, Irene - already proved that they could nodiff Natsu easier than Animus. Larcade, Serena, maybe Jacob - could win too.

Funny how you think Spiriggan trash like Serena and Invel can beat Natsu. Natsu broke out of his ice. Instant freeze isn't some impressive power. Anyone worthwhile can break out of it. All Serena has is hype.

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If Natsu beats god dragon, it doesnt mean he is so strong, it means dragon was so weak.

lol, this funny. DF Natsu > most Spiriggan trash. Funny how to think someone as Invel is greater than DF Natsu.

 

[Tirl]

lol, this funny. DF Natsu > most Spiriggan trash. Funny how to think someone as Invel is greater than DF Natsu.

I never said they are stronger than DF Natsu. I said they can beat Natsu. Beating Natsu doesnt mean allowing him to use some high mode and then beat him. Most of them can beat him in a seconds

All Serena has is hype.

Some people here believe he can match Gildarts and >>> other spriggans. And I think he is just average spriggan who would lose to most of them. And who is crazy here? xd

Natsu broke out of his ice

After a minute or so? Yeah, its so impressive to be dead before broke out

 

[Jko]

Un-fucking-believable Spriggan wank going on here lmao

Spriggans won't even be able to react to the parent dragons speed. Any of them solo. Give me ONE Spriggan who has shown even close to speed feat that parent dragons had. These dragons covered a giant continent multiple times in minutes.
While, God Serena got one shot by human Acno's speed while August, the strongest Spriggan, couldn't even react. None of the Spriggans would even be able to react to speeds that parent dragons are capable of.

Also, parent dragons >> Animus by portrayal, and weakened Animus no diff'd Alverez Natsu. Natsu needed his most dragonized DF to win against Animus.
Alverez Natsu (no DF) > all Spriggan except August and Eileen.



Lmao, why does DC feats matter?
Did Igneel show any DC feat above a city level? Natsu's final attack on Zeref was building level. Serena got killed by an attack that made zero destruction. Evidently AOE of the attacks isn't a conclusive pointer towards attack power. Attack power is what matters, not DC/AOE

Deus Sema's speed in space is irrelevant. When it reached earth, it was quite slow to the point that Erza and Eileen were able to talk before Erza destroyed it.
And it doesn't scale to Eileen's speed, it's just the attack's speed. Eileen herself has shown speed nowhere CLOSE to what parent dragons had shown,

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Gajeel didn't do jack to Aldoron? Gajeel did as much to Aldo as Makarov did to Acno. Stall him for a while, when the dragon wasn't serious. The moment he got serious, it was implied that Gajeel would've got one shot if Brandish's spell didn't run out. And note, this is by a weakened Aldo.
Size =/= strength. What suggests that Brandish would have strength to ONE SHOT parent dragons in her giant form?

Yea no, not obvious.

We've got weakened Animus who no diff'd Alverez Natsu (no DF).
Alverez Natsu (no DF) > all Spriggans except August and Eileen (and maybe Larcade & Serena too I suppose). This alone puts weakened Animus >>> rest of the Spriggans.
Parent dragons obviously have portrayal over regular dragons like Animus.

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Any one of these dragons could've accomplished the same, in four minutes instead of one minute.

Igneel fought the strongest Dragon alive and ripped off his arm. He obviously scales to higher things which I noted in my original post. The parent Dragons have zero dc feats and at best they scale to an average dragon as they have nothing to say they were above one lol. So again their feats and scaling are subpar to a S12.

Speed means nothing if their DC is inferior. Plus again parent Dragon feat is outdated by calculations. Irene is far faster than them through Deus Sema scaling and even Laxus' outpacing his own lightning bolt was put above it. These guys scale to Wall who was matching Laxus speed lol.

It didn't slow down. Talking means nothing and is not a time frame. Also there was talking in the Dragon feat as well and Tartarus Ichiya was able to react to them so yeah, let's not go down the downplay rabbit hole shall we? The speed that meteor was moving at plus its weight wouldn't even cut through the atmosphere like butter. Plus the calc I'm referring to already placed Deus Sema's speed above Dargons continent crossing feat with the thirty percent reduction from atmospheric drag. So again Deus sema is far above the dragon crossing feat in speed. Irene's reactions and speed > PoF Erza speed >>> Deus Sema's speed so no, it doesn't just count as attack speed.

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We are also just talking dc and speed and not even noting the ladies hax which would make it a lot easier to kill the Dragons lol.