Fantasy Team Spriggan vs Parent Dragons

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Seven777

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Come on dude. Lets see an example. I break a slab with by fist, and show no signs of recoil or exhaustion. Can I break three more slabs? It's reasonable to assume yes.
Yea, they died because of unstable bodies, not because they were exhausted.
Maybe they were on a timer, since face constantly negated magic. I said earlier that this was a possibility as well.

i.e, Parent dragons performed at or above a level, while being affected by face, that Makarov expected FH to without face's effect.
Hmm, ok

Yes we do. Has anyone shown speed to cover continent in a minute? No. They destroyed ~ 750 faces within that timeframe as well, so that's combat speed (~ 12 faces destroyed per second, i.e they used 12 city level attacks per second).
Brandish's speed when she's potentially Adlo size, would come from her size. The parent dragons are probably just 20-50 time normal humans in dimension. There is a clear distinction here
Not if you died afterwards, and not if you had an extremely dire reason to do exactly that yet still didnt do it, for example, help your friend not being killed.
Igneel lasted much longer.
If thats the case then every single one of them was necessary to beat that timer, which means they all still clock in at FH tier, because FH was said to be able to do the same thing.

They performed at that level, sure, which means all combined are FH Zeref tier

No, and they don't need to, it's as worthless as Eileen summoning a meteor from space, just being able to dodge lightning alone is already objectively more impressive than flying across a continent. Unless the feat is used and accomplishes something in a fight it's worth nothing. Same with using 12 city level attacks per second, worthless unless there were people of notable power in those cities and they died from it. The scale of attacks, the real world speed of attacks, they all mean nothing unless they are compared to an actual character, It's like saying Tartaros Jellal is significantly stronger than current Erza because Sema requires energy levels magnitudes greater than anything Erza does.
Who cares? If Brandish's size lets her move across a country in a minute then it's still speed
 

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Not if you died afterwards, and not if you had an extremely dire reason to do exactly that yet still didnt do it, for example, help your friend not being killed.
Igneel lasted much longer.
If thats the case then every single one of them was necessary to beat that timer, which means they all still clock in at FH tier, because FH was said to be able to do the same thing.

They performed at that level, sure, which means all combined are FH Zeref tier

No, and they don't need to, it's as worthless as Eileen summoning a meteor from space, just being able to dodge lightning alone is already objectively more impressive than flying across a continent. Unless the feat is used and accomplishes something in a fight it's worth nothing. Same with using 12 city level attacks per second, worthless unless there were people of notable power in those cities and they died from it. The scale of attacks, the real world speed of attacks, they all mean nothing unless they are compared to an actual character, It's like saying Tartaros Jellal is significantly stronger than current Erza because Sema requires energy levels magnitudes greater than anything Erza does.
Who cares? If Brandish's size lets her move across a country in a minute then it's still speed
I said this before also - they died because their bodies were unstable. It wasn't because of exhaustion from it. They had plenty of MP left, that I'd argue they can do it more than 3 times over. Ok, let me ask you this - consider them before Acno took away their soul, would they be able to replicate what they did, 3 or more times? I'd say, they can, effortlessly at that.
That's possible, maybe all of them were required to beat the timer if timer was the reason why they didn't help Igneel (that's the only explanation I can think of, so maybe that was the case). But the fact remains, that they did it after face activated, while FH was expected to do it before face activated

More like that's their floor. Since they showed no signs of exhaustion after that.

The meteor's speed in space is irrelevant, since it's significantly slower in Earth. If it indeed showed that speed IN EARTH, I would've said that's among the most impressive spells ever shown in the series. But, turned out it's just a stronger meteor than Jellol's meteor
The ~12 city level attacks is, again, a floor for their combat speed - because of the gap between each face (they can only attack when they come in contact with a face). Again, have we seen any non dragon character even come close to accomplishing this? They charge up for a long time even to fire a single city sized attack.
Sure, that's a fair argument - we can't judge for sure the powers of those attacks because we only know their AOE, but don't know the energy density (I believe that's your argument, right?). Well, we have to speculate at this point, the power face - do you think face would work on Zeref and Spriggans? I'd say yes (based on Alverez avoiding invading Ishgar). So, this would be the power of face (if you want to think face as a character) which parent dragons destroyed.

The distinction is that parent dragons' speed feat translates into combat speed. You can cover distance much faster than a house fly, but gook luck trying to hit it. Now, consider this fly being able to cover distance even faster than you (I doubt giant Brandish being able to cover Ishgar in a minute), and now try catching this fly.

The dragon parents died because Ancologia took their souls out of their bodies
Exactly. They died because they were unstable, not because of exhaustion or running out of MP from destroying faces
 

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Ok, and we have no proof for the opposite either. Everything about the old war is speculation, except that DS + allied dragons were stalemate with enemy dragons, until Acnologia showed up.

Jellol did everything Eileen did and more. Funny how those who use this to prop up Eileen generally shit on Jellol and treat him as fodder.
Acno didn't one shot Eileen because he didn't realize that she was a Dragon Slayer, so she wasn't on his hit-list at the time. Against Eileen, he wanted to play. When Acno faced Serena, he was serious and not even August could react - proving that even August is one shottable by Acnologia. And therefore Eileen is too by extension. Serious Acno one shots ANYONE in the series bar high/+ tier dragons and full power Natsu. Or, are you going to dispute that Eileen is one shottable by Acno as well, are we really going this direction?
This "Acno talking" used to be a thing, but later on he butchered it far too much for it to be relevant anymore. He talked to Wendy and to Jellol (not even a DS) as well, both of who are below God Serena. He later trash talked all 7 DS in the final battle as well.

Feats in dragon cry is an absolute rebuttal to the Eileen wank going on here. To continue with this, those arguing for Eileen must necessarily disregard dragon cry.
Sorry only talking about portrayal.
Aconologia did talk to eileen, before that he never did.
Aconologia did say he will have fun against eileen.
He was shocked by what eileen was doing.

This is portrayal

I am happily disregardimg dragon cry, so no problem for me
 

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I said this before also - they died because their bodies were unstable. It wasn't because of exhaustion from it. They had plenty of MP left, that I'd argue they can do it more than 3 times over. Ok, let me ask you this - consider them before Acno took away their soul, would they be able to replicate what they did, 3 or more times? I'd say, they can, effortlessly at that.
That's possible, maybe all of them were required to beat the timer if timer was the reason why they didn't help Igneel (that's the only explanation I can think of, so maybe that was the case). But the fact remains, that they did it after face activated, while FH was expected to do it before face activated

More like that's their floor. Since they showed no signs of exhaustion after that.

The meteor's speed in space is irrelevant, since it's significantly slower in Earth. If it indeed showed that speed IN EARTH, I would've said that's among the most impressive spells ever shown in the series. But, turned out it's just a stronger meteor than Jellol's meteor
The ~12 city level attacks is, again, a floor for their combat speed - because of the gap between each face (they can only attack when they come in contact with a face). Again, have we seen any non dragon character even come close to accomplishing this? They charge up for a long time even to fire a single city sized attack.
Sure, that's a fair argument - we can't judge for sure the powers of those attacks because we only know their AOE, but don't know the energy density (I believe that's your argument, right?). Well, we have to speculate at this point, the power face - do you think face would work on Zeref and Spriggans? I'd say yes (based on Alverez avoiding invading Ishgar). So, this would be the power of face (if you want to think face as a character) which parent dragons destroyed.

The distinction is that parent dragons' speed feat translates into combat speed. You can cover distance much faster than a house fly, but gook luck trying to hit it. Now, consider this fly being able to cover distance even faster than you (I doubt giant Brandish being able to cover Ishgar in a minute), and now try catching this fly.



Exactly. They died because they were unstable, not because of exhaustion or running out of MP from destroying faces
Doesn't matter, FH would be able to do it infinity more times. Their actual output as displayed, combined, is only equivalent to FH.
No, FH wasn't expected to do it before Face activated, Makarov said he only just missed the opportunity to use FH, which means if he had used it a few moments earlier FT would have received FH the same time Face activated and would have still destroyed Face afterwards.

No, it's their ceiling, it's the absolute most you can say the Parent Dragons have based on their feats and that's being generous.

Of course the Meteor's speed is irrelevant, just like the Parent Dragons flight speed is irrelevant.
Doesn't matter if the 12 city level attacks is their floor, it could be 100 city level attacks and it still means nothing, they didn't beat any notable fighters with it.
As for seeing a non dragon character coming close to accomplishing it, sure, reacting to lightning is outright better and preskip characters can do this. Jellal parting the earths atmosphere by just flexing is outright better, Eileen summoning a meteor from space is outright better. Of course all these things, all of them, mean absolutely nothing.
I think the power of Face would work on a spriggan, but I also think a spriggan could destroy a Face effortlessly, as in Eileen could just look at one, and it would break from the strength of her glare. Like I said, breaking Face is a Wendy+Carla feat, mediocre at best.

No it doesn't, because they didnt use it in combat. Ramming a bunch of statues as you fly around the continent means you can fly real fast, it doesn't mean you have good reaction speed, it doesn't mean your immediate combat speed it high. A fighter jet can move faster than sound at top speed, it can't maneuver anywhere close to that speed, and it's designed specifically for combat.
 

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Sorry only talking about portrayal.
Aconologia did talk to eileen, before that he never did.
Aconologia did say he will have fun against eileen.
He was shocked by what eileen was doing.

This is portrayal

I am happily disregardimg dragon cry, so no problem for me
Acno then talks to everyone and their mom, so irrelevant. Maybe that character was relevant before Tartarus, but definitely not now
He was shocked by her U1, because he hadn't seen it before. U1 isn't an offensive spell
Either way, none of this puts her above parent dragons by any means,

Yea, if you disregard feats or events you don't like, then you can argue to make about anything possible. For example, I can ignore the portrayal and narration of Acno being stronger than any dragon and point towards him failing to catch a flying ship or being blitzed by Jellol multiple times, while parent dragons flew across the continent multiple times in a minutes, and hence argue parent dragons >> Acno. But that wouldn't make much sense, would it?
 

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Parent Dragons > Face > Spriggans
how does Face have combat feats? The only way they could have it is through self destruction which requires manual changing of it's magic energy from null to destruction. They just rammed right into them since magic would not work on them.

Parent Dragons hardly have any feats, while Spriggans scale to Brandish who's power helped slightly harm a somewhat weakened Dragon God.
 

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how does Face have combat feats? The only way they could have it is through self destruction which requires manual changing of it's magic energy from null to destruction. They just rammed right into them since magic would not work on them.

Parent Dragons hardly have any feats, while Spriggans scale to Brandish who's power helped slightly harm a somewhat weakened Dragon God.
Brandish never harmed weakened Aldoron💀
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Brandish never harmed weakened Aldoron💀
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It is her power that strengthened Gajeel so she scales to Giant Gajeel.
 

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Parents dragon wins easily. Gradeeny disenchants the shit out of Eileen. Wendy DS enchant literally removed Irene from her dragon form same Wendy DS enchant couldn't do jack against half powered merchphobia. Lol Irene is dead against grandeeny if she's getting neg diff'd by battle exhausted Wendy DS enchant
 

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Parents dragon wins easily. Gradeeny disenchants the shit out of Eileen. Wendy DS enchant literally removed Irene from her dragon form same Wendy DS enchant couldn't do jack against half powered merchphobia. Lol Irene is dead against grandeeny if she's getting neg diff'd by battle exhausted Wendy DS enchant
Irene was weakened at the time and Erza was empowered by Irene’s enchantment, in the end she still won. Brandish powered Gajeel managed to harm a somewhat weakened Aldo, that Irene would scale.
 

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Irene was weakened at the time and Erza was empowered by Irene’s enchantment, in the end she still won. Brandish powered Gajeel managed to harm a somewhat weakened Aldo, that Irene would scale.
Lol Irene wasn't weakened, show me scans of where it was stated she was weakened, if she was mashima won't miss that out. Dragon Irene got neg diff'd by battle exhausted Wendy DS enchant imagine what grandeeny would do to her. She's going to disenchant Eileen 😂
 

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Lol Irene wasn't weakened, show me scans of where it was stated she was weakened, if she was mashima won't miss that out. Dragon Irene got neg diff'd by battle exhausted Wendy DS enchant imagine what grandeeny would do to her. She's going to disenchant Eileen 😂
With Wendy ending up getting a residual thought, that had a portion of her power.
if that was the case then exhausted Wendy would neg diff any dragon like Zirconis yet didn’, it was empowered Erza that countered it with Wendy’s DS magic. Grandeeny would lose, nothing showed that Grandeeny can Disenchant, show me a scan she can
 

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With Wendy ending up getting a residual thought, that had a portion of her power.
if that was the case then exhausted Wendy would neg diff any dragon like Zirconis yet didn’, it was empowered Erza that countered it with Wendy’s DS magic. Grandeeny would lose, nothing showed that Grandeeny can Disenchant, show me a scan she can
Lol anything Wendy can do grandeeny can do. Wendy is the physical representation of grandeeny.
 

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Lol anything Wendy can do grandeeny can do. Wendy is the physical representation of grandeeny.
Yet she learned newer enchantments from Irene, not Grandeeny
 

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There was no any residual that Wendy got, wendy enchanted Erza with DS and was battle exhausted lol Wendy was countering Eileen enchant even with the body enchant. Grandeeny would disenchant Eileen to oblivion
 

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There was no any residual that Wendy got, wendy enchanted Erza with DS and was battle exhausted lol Wendy was countering Eileen enchant even with the body enchant. Grandeeny would disenchant Eileen to oblivion
Wendy got the residual thought which was a portion of Irene's power, and Erza was enchanted by Wendy as Irene which adds major power boost. because with Irene's body, her power was superior to her own, even with Irene in Wendy's body she was countering Erza in strength, she doesn't disenchant, as Wendy stated Irene's magic was greater than hers, which means Irene for the most part was not going all out.
 

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Wendy got the residual thought which was a portion of Irene's power, and Erza was enchanted by Wendy as Irene which adds major power boost. because with Irene's body, her power was superior to her own, even with Irene in Wendy's body she was countering Erza in strength, she doesn't disenchant, as Wendy stated Irene's magic was greater than hers, which means Irene for the most part was not going all out.
Dude there's no proof Eileen wasn't going all out, mashima would have stated it cuz mashima always states when enemy is nerfed or in an unsure position. Eileen got crushed by battle exhausted Wendy DS enchant that's what I saw, all this you're stating is headcanon. I don't know where it was stated that Wendy used residual of Eileen power. Wendy was already countering all of Eileen enchantment till the very last moment. Gradeeny and Eileen is a mismatch neg diff, gajeel with DF crushed bloodman you think metallicana wouldn't solo him or you think weislogia wouldn't neg diff larcade. This is a big mismatch not even close
 

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Dude there's no proof Eileen wasn't going all out, mashima would have stated it cuz mashima always states when enemy is nerfed or in an unsure position. Eileen got crushed by battle exhausted Wendy DS enchant that's what I saw, all this you're stating is headcanon. I don't know where it was stated that Wendy used residual of Eileen power. Wendy was already countering all of Eileen enchantment till the very last moment. Gradeeny and Eileen is a mismatch neg diff, gajeel with DF crushed bloodman you think metallicana wouldn't solo him or you think weislogia wouldn't neg diff larcade. This is a big mismatch not even close
The fact that she wasn’t going dragon form right at the beginning is one thing, and when she got angry after returning to her body when she got weakened with residual though to Wendy and Erza being amped by Irene’s spell. Wendy literally stated that Irene’s magic is better than hers. Word from main person is more valid than any feat, DS is useless unless it has the power behind it, Heber empowered Erza. In when she used it against Gum guy, she stated when she returned to her body, is residual of Irene’s power came to her. Irene is stated to be strong by Acno who doesn’t go all out against those he considers insects and doesn’t even talk to them. That is because Irene wasn’t going all out till later. an Enchantment’s strength is still tethered to their MP. Gajeel ate Bloodman’s particles with had iron and gained a massive power boost, Bloodman countered Gajeel’s physically before all that. Larcade was countering hard against Sting despite his advantage and had outside help. The parent dragons showed no feat besides destroying a pillar that even pre-timeskip wendy can destroy.
 
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