Archived The Hang Out Thread

[abdulahi]

The FEmales "The Ladies" not "The Ladies

well we can give you, me and GK a sex change and presto we have females j/k

GK the way you put it (abortions) couldnt agree more. especially the final paragraph.

 

[karasu]

no thanks, i'll pass
i'm happy enough with having a dangling thing between my legs..

as a man..i don't condemn the mother side..
but the father side..
couldn't he stop her?
if he's well enough.. she wouldn't have to go through it..
my friend is quitting uni and getting a job..coz his baby was bornt last february..
i believe it's the right choice..rather than aborting it, act like nothing had happened and goes back to life as per normal..

 

[Gold Knight]

I didn't quite get all that I think, but if the father CAN take care of the baby, without the mother's help, and the mother knows he'd be a good father who would want the kid, the mother should definitely take that in consideration. Still her choice, though. She's the one who has to go thru the pain :P

 

[karasu]

i don't say "without the mother's help" though..
what i meant is that.. usually (generally speaking) women resort to abortion coz
1. the guy doesn't want a baby
2. the guy is not well enough (as in the ability to provide a living for mom and kid), i'm talking about teenage fathers without a job yet..
3. both parents still wanna go through school and other thing.. or both parents still wanna have fun..

if the daddy is capable of providing them good life.. why not?

 

[Gold Knight]

Unfortunately some guys just aren't meant to be fathers =/ I think some here who I've gotten to know would agree that they'd rather be in an orphanage than with a father who doesn't want 'em.

But anyway...

 

[Brede]

to abort or not to abort...that is the question. sometimes, its not just a matter of whether the father can provide for the family. can the girl cope being a mother? can the guy cope being a father? is the guy and girl willing and able to start a family together? of course, there are always other options apart from abortion, namely, giving up the child for adoption.

then we come to the question of quality of life over merely living. do you give birth to a child just to 'condemn' him or her to live life as an orphan or give birth in the hope that anything is better than a pre-mature death? personally, i think a life is still a life. if possible...the child should be given the chance to live. i know of a few childless couple who would/had jumped at the chance of welcoming an adopted child into their family.

the question becomes harder when the parents are 'asked' to make a choice of whether or not to keep the child, i.e. when the unborn baby is known to be crippled in some way. A family friend of ours had to make that choice when the doctor told them that the baby's brain was under-developed. The parents chose to continue with the pregnancy in the end. what would u have done? that's something I still can't bring myself to answer...

another scenario - a rape victim pregnant with the child of the rapist. I remember reading about a case like that happening in Ireland. What then? Should she be forced to bear the child?

 

[Gold Knight]

then we come to the question of quality of life over merely living. do you give birth to a child just to 'condemn' him or her to live life as an orphan or give birth in the hope that anything is better than a pre-mature death? personally, i think a life is still a life. if possible...the child should be given the chance to live. i know of a few childless couple who would/had jumped at the chance of welcoming an adopted child into their family.

I definitely can see where you're coming from there. Still, some orphanages around here are packed with kids. Another thing to consider is the quality of life, like you said (for example some of the poorest districts in Africa, the more kids you have there, the more kids that'll starve to death.) What's really more cruel, a life stopped before it starts, or a prolonged slow death with suffering? =/

the question becomes harder when the parents are 'asked' to make a choice of whether or not to keep the child, i.e. when the unborn baby is known to be crippled in some way. A family friend of ours had to make that choice when the doctor told them that the baby's brain was under-developed. The parents chose to continue with the pregnancy in the end. what would u have done? that's something I still can't bring myself to answer...

That's a pretty hard decision to make. One of my uncles was born that way too, sorta. He lived his whole life as a vegetable and died at around age 12. My dad's mother had five other boys to feed as well. Though it wasn't really a hard decision for my grandmother to make, since she was Catholic. Still, it was a tough life for her. My dad had to go to his grandparents' farm and help out there so that she had one less mouth to feed.

another scenario - a rape victim pregnant with the child of the rapist. I remember reading about a case like that happening in Ireland. What then? Should she be forced to bear the child?

In that case, whatever decision the mother makes definitely shouldn't be condemned, because I believe the rapist is totally responsible for whatever happens afterwards. The mother should have absolutely no guilt over whatever decision she goes with. Rapist's totally at blame for that one, and should also be considered a murderer as well.

 

[karasu]

yep..rapists all the way..

i mean.. to blame!! rapists to blame all the way!!



if anyone did remember or ever heard of the riot in Jakarta May 1998..
where the chinese there are being attacked, slaughtered, robbed, and some were raped..
there's a lot who went pregnant and most of them abort the babies i think..
and some can't even take it and committed suicide..

 

[Crimson]

Wow, some heavy themes arising on this thread huh? Well personally, I believe that a persons view on abortion is entirely dependant on their beliefs regarding death. Being an Agnostic myself, (but yet having beliefs belonging to a myriad different religions and ways of life), I believe abortion is fine as long as the would be baby is removed before any form of consciousness is attained. After that, a fine line is drawn between life and death. IMO, there are far worse things than death and if the baby would be coming into a world of sorrow, pain, torture (i.e. like being born a vegetable), then their better off not coming at all. Then again I beieve in reincarnation, so to me, that poor soul will be back anyway, and that terminated birth changed that souls karma, to possibly allow it to be born into the physical world in a completely different situation. Seeing as how only a select few people in the world believe in reincarnation, I can see how the topic is so controversial, lol

 

[Tanuki-dono]

Wow, agreed about the subject of abortion. Heavy stuff. I don't even know where to begin, I'm so torn on different angles. It would be an interesting Thread to get going, though. But I don't even know the legal lines in this one. Morally and idealistically, I'm against it. But nothing in that black and white.

 

[Brede]

erm...time to change the subject? What's the best potato dish/food you've ever tried?

 

[karasu]

woa? potato can be eaten/cooked? i didn't know that

um...fries?

 

[Brede]

lol...yes karasu, potato can be eaten! (except maybe when it is rotten) even the skin is edible. i've heard ppl eat/use the potato skin for stomach ailments to acne. any traditional potato dishes from indonesia?

 

[karasu]

apparently i'm not a big potato fan
we have.. um..potato braised in sweet soy with chicken or fish..chili potato..etc..
personally, the best use of potato in indonesia is for a snack.. traditional fried chips with very hot sauce..


why are we talking about potato after abortion stuff? anything about abortion remind you about potato?
as i told you before..my ex gf had an abortion before, so..maybe i can quote you what she said about it? the process and what gets thrown away?

 

[Macan]

why are we talking about potato after abortion stuff? anything about abortion remind you about potato?
as i told you before..my ex gf had an abortion before, so..maybe i can quote you what she said about it? the process and what gets thrown away?

It's because the topic is been around quite too long in the thread so it's time we need some fresh air (and some fresh topic to talk about).

Back to Brede's question. Well the best potato dish I've ever tried is none other than mashed potato. Whether it's from KFC, Kenny Rogers or my mom's cooking I love em all. Just can't resist the soft texture and the gravy that comes with it.

 

[abdulahi]

wow come back to hang out thread to spam more on abortions to find potato discussion!!!!! odd but fair.

to stay in line with your question brede, i would say i love new baby potatos boiled with a hint of salt, add to any meal and its a winner for me. also love jersey royal potatos. and if i may say, potatos can really add extra flavour and texture to curry if USED RIGHT.

 

[karasu]

i was too tired i read dula's post as " i would say i love baby boiled with a hint of salt, add to any meal and its a winner for me"
i was a bit shocked there..

speaking of which..
i was trying to find something about death note movie in youtube..
hoping to find someone's bootleg..since it was out last saturday..
i found one video instead.. where one band guy..i forgot his name..
his bandmate was picking up beers from the fridge, when out of the blue this guy pulls a gun and shot his mate..
then he directed the camera to himself .. and shot himself in the head..
i was like..wtf? and turns out, there's a lot of suicide videos in youtube..
i for one am freaked out with this.. though i've been at times where i wanna do it myself..
but.. in front of the camera?

comments?

 

[Ayah]

First, are you sure it's an actual suicide video? Second, who could have uploaded that video and what is that person's relation to the one who commited murder AND suicide? Third, I find it shocking and bizarre to read about this (who wouldn't). I guess the killer wanted everyone to know that he did it; out of what, I definitely don't know. Maybe taping oneself in the act beats writing a confession and suicide note to that person?

 

[lee-nus]

damn, what the hell...?!
i had no idea there are vids like that at youtube! sounds sick and gross... really can't see why anyone would want the world to see one commit suicide... did you report it or something?

 

[Daioten]

yikes... from abortion to suicide... Seems it isn't possible to get off the depressing subjects.

Anyway, It doesn't surprise me at all that people would put suicide videos on youtube. Suicide is often caused by a person feeling that they arent wanted and loved, and alot of times suicide is a way of desperately reaching out for attention. Most people who commit suicide really want to be helped, but too often people around them don't notice that the person is depressed and considering suicide untill it's far too late. Once the person feels that there is no way that they can recieve love and attention through normal means, they move on to their final, biggest cry for help and attention, which is their suicide. The internet just gives them a way to have their deaths get the attention of the entire world, and that attention is really all they wanted to begin with.