The "New" Blackbeard Pirates Discussion Thread.

[firework]

How would you guys rank BB's crew in overall battle prowess?

For me its:

1 San Juan Wolf (for now, though i think BB will overcome him soon)
2 BB (was Shiryuu, but latest chapter changes things)
3 Shiryuu
4 Drill Hand Guy
5 Devil Lady
6 Jesus
7 Sniper
8 Lafitte
9 whoever i forgot

 

[Fox666]

Blackbeard
Shiryu
San Juan Wolf
Pizarro
Catalina Devon
Basco Shot
Van Auger
Lafitte
Shinigami Doc. Q
Jesus Burgess
Stronger

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

Size only makes San Juan be a bigger target...I'll list them by the overall battle power not just pure strength:
1.Blackbeard
2.Shiryuu
3-5.Busco Shot
3-5.Catalina Devon
3-5.Abalo Pizarro
6.Van Auge
7.Laffite
8.San Juan Wolf
9.Jesus Burgess
10.Doc Q/Stronger

 

[Uriel]

Let me see....

1.Blackbeard
2.Shiryuu
3.Abalo Pizarro
4.Busco Shot
5.Laffite
6.Van Auge
7.San Juan Wolf
8.Catalina Devon
9.Jesus Burgess
10.Doc Q/Stronger

 

[Poneglyph420]

Some of the people you guys are rating still haven't done much but a few shots here and there, especially the new recruits. Sure they are all strong especially the new guys. I'm suspecting that BB and Shiryuu will be the analog of Luffy and Zoro. so that's pretty obvious but past there, no freaking clue.
I'm not sure on what basis we can rate people we haven't seen perform.

However I'm more interested in what kind of loyalty really exists here..
Shiryuu said right out "do we disband" if BB fails.. And the whole BB crew showed some joy from the feat accomplished..
So I bet they are scary strong, but the stronger they are, the more likely they end up betraying BB IMO...

 

[Truefan21]

If BB is anything like luffy (since they seem to believe in the dreams of pirates) he may have the ability to make friends like luffy. When we first saw him, he encouraged luffy which shows that there was a form of respect

 

[Cooky42]

I dont think that BB is anything like luffy in that sense i think they do share the same sort of dream but have very different ways of going about it.

Using the crews as an example, when Luffy has gained new crew members for the most part of it its been by chance and they have always been people with strong beliefs, and the SH would never kill out threaten people to get their dreams accomplished. Where as BB has shown that he will go to any means to gather "Strong" people such as deafeting ace to become Warlord so as to be able to get into ID to gain these legendary criminals, the whole crew has also shown a willingness to kill so who knows what else they are capable of the polar opposite of the SH crew. Also where as the strawhats would not betray luffy i cant say the same for the new members of BB crew (the original members who knows really) because at the moment they owe BB for busting them out of ID but once they debt has been repaid who knows where there loyaltys with lie ?

There are other comparisons to be made between luffy and black beard but they arnt for this thread.

 

[Truefan21]

If someone save me from death row I would loint heir crew. Also BB's and luffy are alike they both broke into impel down to release a prisoner or prisoners.
BB's seemed to have specifically looked for the legendary pirates which shows that it was not random. So what if they show a willingness to kill does this mean they are incapable of respect look at eustace kid and his crew they slaughter, this does not mean that they lack respect.

 

[Poneglyph420]

If BB is anything like luffy (since they seem to believe in the dreams of pirates) he may have the ability to make friends like luffy. When we first saw him, he encouraged luffy which shows that there was a form of respect

For sure both BB and Luffy carry the dreams of pirating in their deeds but differently..

Luffy carries his dream outwardly, inspiring others to believe in what would have been impossible. Luffy also in his dreams is the protection and benefit of others.

BB IMO looks inwardly at himself and at his own ability. Where Luffy leads without leading, by example... BB depends on power, intimidation and fear.
If Luffy failed in a task would his crew disband?????
Doubt it.

Luffy and BB are like polar opposites (or like the light and dark side of the force.. fellow SW heads..)

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

If BB is anything like luffy (since they seem to believe in the dreams of pirates) he may have the ability to make friends like luffy.

Do you really think Blackbeard has such an ability ? First of all, there were only two people who showed such an ability in One Piece, and it was Ace and Luffy.
And most of all, I'd better say this is the contrary with Blackbeard and that he turns everyone he meets into his enemy. Indeed, you're either his nakama or someone that hates him. What he's just said about his era of darkness meant he declared the war to the whole world : the World Government, the RA (through what he said he'd do to civilians) and the New World pirates.

 

[RichardMNixon]

Man, no love for Jesus? I would be pretty disappointed if his old crew was way lamer than the newbies, I thought of Jesus, Laffite, Doc Q and van Auger as the scum he found hiding in the dark corners of the Earth, not fit for civilized society. They're every bit as recklessly confident as he is, they've got to have something to back it up. Tsuru knew Laffite immediately.
I agree Blackbeard and Shiryuu are the two top dogs but I don't think we should count out his original crew. They did effortlessly sack an entire kingdom.

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Do you really think Blackbeard has such an ability ? First of all, there were only two people who showed such an ability in One Piece, and it was Ace and Luffy.
And most of all, I'd better say this is the contrary with Blackbeard and that he turns everyone he meets into his enemy. Indeed, you're either his nakama or someone that hates him. What he's just said about his era of darkness meant he declared the war to the whole world : the World Government, the RA (through what he said he'd do to civilians) and the New World pirates.

No, I think it is similar but directed towards different people. Luffy didn't make friends with Kuro or Arlong. Luffy's friends are dreamers who value friendship and freedom. Judging especially by Shiryuu's joining, I'd say Blackbeard has the same affinity but for people who value greed and power. Shiryuu saw something in him at ID, even after he nearly died.

 

[kkck]

I have a question for everyone. How do you think BB's older crewmembers compare to the new ones? I think the initial impression we all had was that the old crewmembers would be people comparable to the strawhats in strength given what we have seen from them, mainly in the fight against ace where BB was the only one who could have done something against him. On the other hand, from what we have seen there does not seem to be a difference in the way they address each other and even in the way they all seemed about as remarkable. Above all, BB mentioned bonney was too weak to be a BB pirate. This would suggest BB has somewhat reasonable standards as to whom he allows to join his crew except that in this case one of the supernovas of the world would seem to be fodder to them. Would the old crewmembers be of the same caliber as the new ones even though the new ones are considered so dangerous the very thought of one of them could mean the end of a country?

 

[Wisshard]

Blackbeard's strength is not stagnant, he's progressing as One Piece goes on, so why wouldn't his original crew members grow as well? Ace may have been more than a handful for them at that time, but I'd expect that by the end they have grown stronger just like their captain. (Though we have very little feats by them, so their growth wouldn't be really noticeable...)

 

[kkck]

I know they can grow stronger but if the initial assumption that they were of the same caliber of the strawhats is vaguely correct then their growth has been unreasonably fast. I mean, BB current crew members should be top tier considering they were in level six and they were considered among the most dangerous prisoners there. In that sense, catching up to them is by no means a small feat, that'd mean each of BBs crewmembers should be thought of in the same way you'd think of an admiral, VA, shichibukai or WB commander.

 

[DARK]

The "older" members of the Blackbeard Pirates are not to be messed with.

Lafette managed to infiltrate the World Government building at Mariejois unnoticed.

Auger was also able to successfully snipe off a bird from such a large distance (islands away) from the Straw Hats.

Blackbeard must have high standards for those who he wants to join his crew. Even after going to Level 6, Blackbeard ordered that the criminals would kill each other and those that survived can "go on to freedom."

Blackbeard turned down Bonney with 140 million berri yet still kept Doc Q and Stronger around (who are very sick).

The "newer" members are more feared because they were freed from Impel Down, but the "older" crewmates are not to be messed with either. Even if they have not done anything extraordinary yet individually, these crewmates are still very dangerous and experts at what they can do.

 

[RezzieThaRapper]

Personally I think Basco Shot has a Rum Rum Parmecia fruit, and not a logia... he can get you drunk with it... and at the same time he will fight drunk, but will be deadly good with it...

He is like the perfect enemy for Nami, who seems immune to alcohol poisoning... I mean she didn't even look tipsy at Buggy's or Whiskey Peak... He could be to Nami, what Perona was to Usopp, a seemingly broken character, who only one of the weaker ones can defeat...

 

[Wisshard]

^I think Vasco is sort of a cook, and uses the legendary Drunken Kenpo, so I'm rooting for Sanji to put an end to the freaky-nosed man...

I know they can grow stronger but if the initial assumption that they were of the same caliber of the strawhats is vaguely correct then their growth has been unreasonably fast. [...]

It's also possible that the Jesus Burgess and Augur simply lacked Haki at that point, which was why Blackbeard told them that they couldn't handle Ace.

Though I'm not sure if everyone on Blackbeard's crew will be stronger than Ace, who was strong enough to be offered a Shichibukai (and a WB commander) position...

 

[kkck]

Wonder if BB could get yet a third DF power..... We have no idea of how he got 2 in the first place, that is true, but it'd be interesting if he could get a third. Right now BB posseses a logia said to be unique among them and a paramecia which was stated by oda to be the strongest among them. So basically, the one thing that is left is a zoan fruit. A zoan fruit would be an enormous boost for BB IMO. Zoan are among DFs the type that provides the best offensive capacities (or something along the lines of that) so someone like BB could greatly benefit from it. It'd exponentially increase his physical capacities, his reflexes (which would be a huge deal considering BBs weak defenses) and who knows what else. BB mentioned his darkness fruit made him even take more damage than usual when he fought ace, having an improved body would do wonders. The increase in physical capacities could perhaps also increase the destructive capacity of his other 2 powers.

 

[Aikidoka]

Auger and Burgess not being able to handle Ace doesn't necessarily have to do with power levels. Remember Ace is a Logia, living flame, and all Logias we've seen so far have had to be hurt through a specific weakness (Crocodile and water) or through Haki - neither of which the lack directly indicates a low power level.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

My bet on the Straw Hat Pirates vs. the Blackbeard Pirates :

1. Luffy vs. Teach
2. Zoro vs. Shiliew
3. Nami vs. Vasco Shot
4. Ussop vs. Van Augur
5. Sanji vs. Lafitte
6. Chopper vs. Sanjuan Wolf
7. Robin vs. Catarina Devon
8. Brook vs. Doc Q/Stronger
9. Fishman SH vs. Jesus Burgess

I think we will all agree that Luffy, Zoro and Ussop's opponents are unavoidable. Anyway, I think among the other " obvious " fights, we could have some surprises, and that's why I've bet on my own opponent list. I also thought about doing that after I read someone'signature about the Straw Hat and Blackbeard Pirates fighting - I don't remember the MH person. It was great so I decided to have my own ideas about it.

I think that Chopper won't fight Doc Q even if he is a doctor because he would more useful against Sanjuan Wolf. His Monster Point would be the solution against he biggest creature ever born.

The gentleman battle between Brook and Lafitte would be great but I think that Lafitte is too strong for Brook. I know that his look and his ability to affect people make us think about Brook and his ability to affect people with music but I rank Lafitte just behind Teach and Shiliew in terms of strenght, and that's why I bet on Sanji beating him. I also think that Lafitte's unknown Devil Fruit is amazing and have terrible powers. I won't be surprised if it was one of the few mythological zoans.

Instead, I've decided to make Brook fight Doc. Q because the doctor's weapon is unusual and it would clash very well against Brook's stick. I've also remembered that Doc. Q has a horse called Stronger and that Oda associated Brook to the Horse in a SBS. Doc Q also looks like a dying man, and fights with a sickle, so this death theme leads to the Dead Straw Hat, the Joke Skeleton.

About Jesus Burgess, I think that he's the typical guy with super human strenght, who only uses his amazing raw strenght to beat his foe. So, as I think the Straw Hat Pirates will get a last member on Fishman Island, the last place before New World, this future character would be great to fight against him. After all, fishman are said to be 10 times stronger than humans from birth.

Catarina Devon just looks evil and Robin is seen as the demon from Ohara so I believe that they will fight. There is also the fact that Robin has always been making fun of Usopp's nose - calling him Nagahana-kun all the time - so I find it great as a conclusion to make her confront this long nosed woman.

And finally, I thought about Vasco Shot for Nami because I think his alcohol would allow him to resist Nami's Thunder Tempo and that would give her an handicap. I also like the idea that she will fight a big fat man : that would make her look fragile against an opponent much bigger than her who could crush her easily. It would be a bit like in Arabasta when she was fighting against Miss Doublefinger. Thus she would have to be extremely careful and use all her intelligence to find a weakness and beat him.