The "New" Blackbeard Pirates Discussion Thread.

[chess4]

chopper will have to take on san juan wolf. it chopper can get a hold of his monster form.

 

[Zeltrax]

I've always thought the one being taken out first by SHs will be the wrestler guy.
He's nothing but raw strength, so I'm thinking Luffy can take him out quite easily some point in the manga.
and I'm having doubts about Zoro VS Shiryuu
sure both are swordsman, but shiryuu isn't the first mate . I think Lafitte fits the role of "first mate" well, so I'm going with Zoro VS Lafitte in the future.
Shiryuu will take brooke and sanji will take whoever that is stronger than Shiryuu.
I'm not underestimating him, but the only thing I saw him did was killing a few prison guards. He's strong, but the rest of BB are strong too.
the sniper guy vs Usopp is a must ^^

 

[Poneglyph420]

I've always thought the one being taken out first by SHs will be the wrestler guy.
He's nothing but raw strength, so I'm thinking Luffy can take him out quite easily some point in the manga.
and I'm having doubts about Zoro VS Shiryuu
sure both are swordsman, but shiryuu isn't the first mate . I think Lafitte fits the role of "first mate" well, so I'm going with Zoro VS Lafitte in the future.
Shiryuu will take brooke and sanji will take whoever that is stronger than Shiryuu.
I'm not underestimating him, but the only thing I saw him did was killing a few prison guards. He's strong, but the rest of BB are strong too.
the sniper guy vs Usopp is a must ^^

REALLY...??

Remember in ID Iva said that Shiryuu was as strong as magellan..
Lafitte seems like the navigator or scout not the first mate at all. I'd imagine a dictator like BB really won't need a 1st mate, but Shiryuu is for sure the strongest swordsman in the BB pirates now. Also Doc Q has a sword and I'd expect him and brooke would be more likely to face off.

Sure all the BB pirates are strong, but seriously Shiryuu is piss your pants strong.

 

[bittman]

Pfft, not sure why everyone is doing all these 1 v 1 battles. You think Oda would really draw an arc where it's basically 10 1vs1 battles in a row like some martial arts tournament from an unoriginal manga?

It'll probably end up something like:
Luffy vs Basco Shot
Luffy vs Blackbeard
Ussop + Franky vs Jesus Burgess + Van Auger
Brooke vs Skull Joke
Thousand Sunny vs San Juan
etc

 

[JP_Russell]

Oars is a human compared to Don Juan, but that size may differ, when you look at the last page of the chapter. There it looks like he is at most double s big as Basco Shot.

All you see is part of his face and it alone is bigger than Basco Shot, and Blackbeard and crew are standing on an elevated part of the HQ so they're on high ground, unlike San Juan. And if you look at where on the HQ they're standing, San Juan's head is placed well above it in the panel where you see him peaking around, which means he has to be crouching down behind them for his face to even be in that last shot. He may also have been crouching some already as he peaked around the building - we can't say how tall he actually is yet as we haven't seen a clear depiction of him standing.

 

[kebuenowilly]

mmm... that nameless guy also seems a fishman, for his fangs...
but his hands also seem drills...
So I don't know what to think ¿a drill-fish maybe?

And San Juan is BIG as a mountain. I think he's gonna be the biggest character in OP.
IMO he's too big to have a DF. Otherwise he would be incredible strong. I think his nickname came cause he carried his crew over the sea.

Shit, we have to wait 1 extra week to know more about those characters.

 

[cippy]

Here's a crazy idea: maybe san juan has the size size devil fruit and he wear's something that makes him impermeable to water so he can walk everywhere

You know... cloths get larger with the devil fruit just like in luffy's case.

 

[kkck]

Rather than people traveling in/on san juan wolf, it probably the way around and the guy travels inside BB. I mean, BB could easily use his power to absorb him and carry him around right?

 

[ScratchmenApoo]

I don't remember correctly.. but when Blackbeard sucked in some Impel Down guards/marines and threw them back out again, they were in complete shock and unable to comply... ?

 

[evozoku]

It WOULD be ridiculous for a devils fruit to have the power to turn someone into a man-made object (like San Juan given the power to turn into a ship), but we know it's common for an object to be able to have a DF that turns them into something else! I don't think San Juan has a size fruit (I think Sengoku is more likely to have that ability). What if San Juan was a colossal ship that was given a giant fruit. By being a huge ship, he would have been large enough easily carry other giants. Now imagine that ship can turn into a human, and a giant size form of itself. He could also then double as the Blackbeard crew's ship. Afterall, what ship could otherwise hold San Juan as the Blackbeard pirates sail the ocean. The only problem with this theory is what effect would the sea have on him in ship form? Perhaps as long as he's in ship form and buoyant, he wouldn't sink like other DF users.

Another plausible theory would be that San Juan was a whole frickin' island that was given a DF (San Juan is also the original name of the island that is Puerto Rico). The DF fruit may still need to have been a giant giant fruit though, as Chopper already ate the human human fruit. But in this case, San Juan might be large enough to walk on the ocean floor, since an island would have been tall enough to be attached to the ocean floor and still stick up. The name "Colossal Battleship" would still fit, as he would appear to be a large ship moving across the ocean, though he's really walking.

 

[Naruffy]

What if San Juan was a colossal ship that was given a giant fruit. By being a huge ship, he would have been large enough easily carry other giants. Now imagine that ship can turn into a human, and a giant size form of itself.

But even so that goes against the policy that Devil Fruit's can't swim or use their powers in water.

 

[Umbra Wolf]

Can anybody help where to find a scan which gives the name of BB's crew?
The only scans I find do not give away any details about the new crewmembers.

 

[Gcat88]

there isnt one. this is all guessing!!!

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Can anybody help where to find a scan which gives the name of BB's crew?
The only scans I find do not give away any details about the new crewmembers.

captain : marshall D teach blackbeard
sniper : auger
the horse : stronger
doctor : doc Q
the wrestler : champion
those were mentioned here http:///www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/18-19/
the huge guy : colossal battle ship san juan wolf
the old hag : catarina devon
the drunk guy : mighty drinker busco shot
they were introduced here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/538/12/
shiryuu of the rain was introduced here http:///www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/18-19/
lafitte : http:///www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/234/09/
the old guy with drills is though to be the founder of level 5.5 iva spoke of him here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/538/10/

 

[LeDuck]

If San Juan Wolf has a DF, which makes him big, why did he bother to use it, if he doesn't want to be spotted? Maybe he is just stupid, but there has to be something, cause ID is way too small for him.

 

[Marche]

It WOULD be ridiculous for a devils fruit to have the power to turn someone into a man-made object (like San Juan given the power to turn into a ship), but we know it's common for an object to be able to have a DF that turns them into something else! I don't think San Juan has a size fruit (I think Sengoku is more likely to have that ability). What if San Juan was a colossal ship that was given a giant fruit. By being a huge ship, he would have been large enough easily carry other giants. Now imagine that ship can turn into a human, and a giant size form of itself. He could also then double as the Blackbeard crew's ship. Afterall, what ship could otherwise hold San Juan as the Blackbeard pirates sail the ocean. The only problem with this theory is what effect would the sea have on him in ship form? Perhaps as long as he's in ship form and buoyant, he wouldn't sink like other DF users.

Another plausible theory would be that San Juan was a whole frickin' island that was given a DF (San Juan is also the original name of the island that is Puerto Rico). The DF fruit may still need to have been a giant giant fruit though, as Chopper already ate the human human fruit. But in this case, San Juan might be large enough to walk on the ocean floor, since an island would have been tall enough to be attached to the ocean floor and still stick up. The name "Colossal Battleship" would still fit, as he would appear to be a large ship moving across the ocean, though he's really walking.

Suan juan can't be a ship transformed in human, because that is the Chopper's DF.

Anyways I think than BB intend to crush the WG.

 

[Schabrak]

If San Juan Wolf has a DF, which makes him big, why did he bother to use it, if he doesn't want to be spotted? Maybe he is just stupid, but there has to be something, cause ID is way too small for him.

As if a real lvl 6 prisoner[anybody from BBs crew] would care about someone spotting them. They have all the advantage they can get, being fresh, being strong and laughing about the rest of the world. :P I just got a vicious thought. What if BB used his power too pull al of WBs crew back to the main isle, letting them fall into the pitt. XD

 

[Umbra Wolf]

cthe old guy with drills is though to be the founder of level 5.5 iva spoke of him here http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/538/10/

Thanks for the overview. I did not remember the mention of these names (well i did in the back of my head) and I did not connect it immediately with these people

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Organizized]

If San Juan Wolf has a DF, which makes him big, why did he bother to use it, if he doesn't want to be spotted? Maybe he is just stupid, but there has to be something, cause ID is way too small for him.

To quote another post from another thread:

Look at the size of a Battleship around Impel Down top:

San Juan fit in Level 6...

Sure, that doesn't explain how he actually got in there in the first place, but it's prett~~~~y safe to say Impel Down is not too small for him.

 

[evozoku]

But even so that goes against the policy that Devil Fruit's can't swim or use their powers in water.

Not necessarily in this case. If he is naturally a ship, and can't use his giant giant ability in the sea, then that just might mean that he's restricted being a ship that would float on the sea. And it's difficult to even say what exactly the sea does. We see sea stone prevents DF users from using their powers. Okay, that would affect San Juan by keeping him in ship form. But back in the Arlong arc, it just made Luffy unable to swim, and so he sank. His ability however was still functional, as the crew stretched his head out of the water to keep him alive.

But there's two options here with San Juan: 1) He's a giant that is hundreds of times larger than any other giant we have seen. Where the hell did such a giant come from? (also how the hell did he fit inside Impel Down, and what carried him along with BB's crew to Marine Ford? 2) He has a DF ability that allows him to grow to such a size. Now why, if he could be smaller, did he choose to be such a massive size while trying to hide? Maybe he's supposed to be a playful idiot that would do something like that. Maybe he has a DF related to his size but can't control it. This is why I think he may have been a very large object that was given a giant giant zoan fruit. I say he has to have been an already been a very large object because for a human to have had a giant giant fruit, they should only grow to the size of a normal giant. If he was an already huge object and had a giant giant zoan ability, he may became a giant relative to his original size.

I would also like to note that there are likely only two devils fruits that can create a directly size related ability: maybe a size size paramecia, where the user can grow or shrink to any size. The other is a giant giant zoan. We can already suspect that Sengoku has one of these. I have suspected that Sengoku has the size size ability, as being able to grow to any massive size could explain how he could be so strong to be fleet admiral (though if Garp could have been an admiral with no DF ability, Garp would also be more insanely powerful if he could become larger too.)

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Suan juan can't be a ship transformed in human, because that is the Chopper's DF.

Anyways I think than BB intend to crush the WG.

Read my post further. I pointed out that Chopper has the human human fruit, so San Juan would maybe have the giant giant fruit. What I mean in your quoted line was it would give him a humanoid form, while being a giant based on his original size.

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To quote another post from another thread:



Sure, that doesn't explain how he actually got in there in the first place, but it's prett~~~~y safe to say Impel Down is not too small for him.

Impel Down is also a very tall tall structure. Those ships are very far from the panels point of view. Additionally, each ring additional ring's circumference is not much bigger than the ring before it, and there are only 6 rings. We should also, when comparing his size compared to those of the other giants, take into account that the other giants are closer to the foreground of the image. For those that haven't taken this into account, San Juan is even bigger than those giants than it may appear on that page. If he had been kept in level 6, he would have taken up almost the entire level, and I don't know how they got him in there (unless he has a power that allows him to change his size).