Discussion The Official Lucy Heartfilia Thread

[Crescent Jinx]

Well,Mira also considers Plue as Lucy's strongest spirit.So,yeah XD

Well.... the nose knows.....

And his secondary form is this

 

[PeanutButterJelly]

Well.... the nose knows.....

And his secondary form is this

Would be so awesome if Plue actually turns out be secretly OP.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Would be so awesome if Plue actually turns out be secretly OP.

Mashima please do it. Make plue stronger than CSK with some continent level attack. I just want to see the fandoms reaction.

 

[=DarthVader=]

Really because I could swear Lucy saved the guild twice from death.

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Helpless? Did she not hold well against 3 Spriggans

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Did Lucy not hold her own against 2 Demon Gates and then Marde Geer?

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Not to mention Foot soldiers:

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Don't Underestimate the Queen.

Bravo to the true Lucy fans!
Lucy is the Queen of the stars & we love her!

Spoiler: My favorite star dress form of Lucy

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[Noctiz]

I'm not fond of her character, because I dislike the way she's written mostly, and her damsel n distress moments are off-putting

I love her Leo dress the most out of all her other spirit costumes.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

I'm not fond of her character, because I dislike the way she's written mostly, and her damsel n distress moments are off-putting

I love her Leo dress the most out of all her other spirit costumes.

Leo star dress is so under rated. Especially by Mashima himself. We have seen it twice and he has yet to have Lucy use Regulus Impact

 

[Noctiz]

Leo star dress is so under rated. Especially by Mashima himself. We have seen it twice and he has yet to have Lucy use Regulus Impact

Yeah it's my favourite dress. Maybe Lucy can't use all of her spirit abilities, and may be limited. I don't want her to turn into Erza, so what she's doing right now is enough, well minus the Jacob fight where she was once again used as damsel n distress.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Yeah it's my favourite dress. Maybe Lucy can't use all of her spirit abilities, and may be limited. I don't want her to turn into Erza, so what she's doing right now is enough, well minus the Jacob fight where she was once again used as damsel n distress.

And the sad thing about the Jacob fight was it would not have been bad at all but Hiro wanted to force humor into it and Nalu. First problem was Mashima reusing the Knife thrown at Lucy from Gajeel in PL and Future Rogue in Gmg. And then for the virgin eyes which really didn't do anything. All it did was allow Lucy and Natsu to get a unison kick in. Jacob wasn't even taken out from it but people will say that's how he was beaten.

One thing I have liked about Lucy's use of the spirits powers is how she incorporates star or planet aspect to them as oppose to how the spirit uses them.

So like Sagittarius uses arrows. Lucy uses star shot. Aquarius uses water. Lucy uses water or water/Earth mix for Aqua Metria. Earth wave for Taurus. For the Leo star dress instead of using regular light like Loke or Sting and infusing with her body parts. I think she should have had a starlight spell similar to Rufus night of falling stars

Especially because she's not really for cqc unless she's rocking Capricorn, Cancer or Taurus star dresses.

Plus one thing Mashima could do to have Lucy different from Erza would be to have her summon a mini army plus star dress. Answer: use attacks
In combo between multiple elements and not just with Scorpio and Scorpio star dress.

 

[Cosmicstar]

And the sad thing about the Jacob fight was it would not have been bad at all but Hiro wanted to force humor into it and Nalu. First problem was Mashima reusing the Knife thrown at Lucy from Gajeel in PL and Future Rogue in Gmg. And then for the virgin eyes which really didn't do anything. All it did was allow Lucy and Natsu to get a unison kick in. Jacob wasn't even taken out from it but people will say that's how gen was beaten.

One thing I have liked about Lucy's use of the spirits powers is how she incorporates star or planet aspect to them as oppose to how the spirit uses them.

So like Sagittarius uses arrows. Lucy uses star shot. Aquarius uses water. Lucy uses water or water/Earth mix for Aqua Metria. Earth wave for Taurus. For the Leo star dress instead of using regular light like Loke or Sting and infusing form wirh her body parts. I think she should have had a starlight spell similar to Rufus night of falling stars

Especially because she's not really for cqc unless she's rocking Capricorn, Cancer or Taurus star dresses.

Plus one thing Mashima could do to have Lucy different from Erza would be to have her summon a mini army plus star dress. Answer use attacks
In combo between multiple elements and not just with Scorpio and Scorpio star dress.

Lucy has Starshot which is a better version of Rufus Falling Stars

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Lucy has Starshot which is a better version of Rufus Falling Stars

Not like a target spell.

More like urano metria but based on light.

Like in her Leo star dress, have the attack protrude from her body like rufus attack. It would be based around Loke's brilliance attack which encases his body in light. But with Lucy it would shoot outwards.
Maybe in a sphere for a multi lighter frame crimson attack.

Not sure if that makes any sense

Added: like this but without the hearts

 

[Arjuna]

And the sad thing about the Jacob fight was it would not have been bad at all but Hiro wanted to force humor into it and Nalu. First problem was Mashima reusing the Knife thrown at Lucy from Gajeel in PL and Future Rogue in Gmg. And then for the virgin eyes which really didn't do anything. All it did was allow Lucy and Natsu to get a unison kick in. Jacob wasn't even taken out from it but people will say that's how he was beaten.

One thing I have liked about Lucy's use of the spirits powers is how she incorporates star or planet aspect to them as oppose to how the spirit uses them.

So like Sagittarius uses arrows. Lucy uses star shot. Aquarius uses water. Lucy uses water or water/Earth mix for Aqua Metria. Earth wave for Taurus. For the Leo star dress instead of using regular light like Loke or Sting and infusing with her body parts. I think she should have had a starlight spell similar to Rufus night of falling stars

Especially because she's not really for cqc unless she's rocking Capricorn, Cancer or Taurus star dresses.

Plus one thing Mashima could do to have Lucy different from Erza would be to have her summon a mini army plus star dress. Answer: use attacks
In combo between multiple elements and not just with Scorpio and Scorpio star dress.

Crescent you mentioned in the chapter thread that Lucy's current hair is like Anna.
And we have the Ancient Warrior wearing Natsu's scarf fighting Acnologia.

So i think there is a chance that Natsu and Lucy may go to the past soon.


And also CSK mentioning Lucy as old friend.
So Anna being the incarnation of Lucy is possible.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Crescent you mentioned in the chapter thread that Lucy's current hair is like Anna.
And we have the Ancient Warrior wearing Natsu's scarf fighting Acnologia.

So i think there is a chance that Natsu and Lucy may go to the past soon.


And also CSK mentioning Lucy as old friend.
So Anna being the incarnation of Lucy is possible.

the possibility gets higher all the time.... guess we will know when Zeref reacts to her. Especially when Natsu called Anna, Lucy. And Csk back in Loke's arc called Lucy old friend.

I kinda want it more than reincarnation. We have that with Kagome and kikyo in inuyasha.

What to me would have been coolest would be if Layla had sacrificed her life to be Aquarius and it has been Lucy as a child to actually opened the gate. Also if Anna had not been introduced and we could have gotten a time travel arc. Then we could have two Lucy's of two different time periods - one young and one old - who would actually open the gate between times. Which is why Mystogan fell through from Edolas and why Byro said summoning was similar to to Anima. Because the distortion in space and time radiates outwards into other worlds and Edolas being the closest..... opened up.

Then we would be getting on some doctor who level of craziness.

Actually if you go back to the early series. Theres so much foreshadowing about the use of two celestial wizards to move things through the celestial world (eisenwall); that it was Natsu they moved (Daybreak); that it has something to do with his scarf and a trip through time (chapter 2); and it was because he was a demon (galuna).

If we didn't have Larcade, I would think Mashima might be stealing Yuki/Snows plot from Mar. There are two forms of one of the main girls - one in real world and one in the magical world. The one in the magical world isn't suppose to exist. The queen who wanted to rule both world used magic to implant a seed of the real world girl into a pregnant woman turning the unborn child into a copy of Yuki. They named the magical world girl Snow. And thus the two girls can open a portal between worlds.

So Anna and Lucy and Layla could be some twisted version of this where Zeref did something to ensure an eclipse gate keeper would be born every generation so Natsu and the others would come through.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

the possibility gets higher all the time.... guess we will know when Zeref reacts to her. Especially when Natsu called Anna, Lucy. And Csk back in Loke's arc called Lucy old friend.

I kinda want it more than reincarnation. We have that with Kagome and kikyo in inuyasha.

What to me would have been coolest would be if Layla had sacrificed her life to be Aquarius and it has been Lucy as a child to actually opened the gate. Also if Anna had not been introduced and we could have gotten a time travel arc. Then we could have two Lucy's of two different time periods - one young and one old - who would actually open the gate between times. Which is why Mystogan fell through from Edolas and why Byro said summoning was similar to to Anima. Because the distortion in space and time radiates outwards into other worlds and Edolas being the closest..... opened up.

Then we would be getting on some doctor who level of craziness.

Actually if you go back to the early series. Theres so much foreshadowing about the use of two celestial wizards to move things through the celestial world (eisenwall); that it was Natsu they moved (Daybreak); that it has something to do with his scarf and a trip through time (chapter 2); and it was because he was a demon (galuna).

If we didn't have Larcade, I would think Mashima might be stealing Yuki/Snows plot from Mar. There are two forms of one of the main girls - one in real world and one in the magical world. The one in the magical world isn't suppose to exist. The queen who wanted to rule both world used magic to implant a seed of the real world girl into a pregnant woman turning the unborn child into a copy of Yuki. They named the magical world girl Snow. And thus the two girls can open a portal between worlds.

So Anna and Lucy and Layla could be some twisted version of this where Zeref did something to ensure an eclipse gate keeper would be born every generation so Natsu and the others would come through.

Mar was a really good series. So you mean Anna, Lucy, and Layla are homunculus and the Heartfilias being homunculus would make sense seeing that homunculus do tread to look alike but they don't have a long lifespan. This would be similar to the Einzberns Family from the Fate series who are homunculus and looked exactly each other like the Heartfilias and the Einzberns Family didn't have a long lifespan since their doom to die by becoming apart of the Holy Grail every time there's a Holy Grail War. So it could be something similar like the Heartfilias being doom to die at a young age.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Mar was a really good series. So you mean Anna, Lucy, and Layla are homunculus and the Heartfilias being homunculus would make sense seeing that homunculus do tread to look alike but they don't have a long lifespan. This would be similar to the Einzberns Family from the Fate series who are homunculus and looked exactly each other like the Heartfilias and the Einzberns Family didn't have a long lifespan since their doom to die by becoming apart of the Holy Grail every time there's a Holy Grail War. So it could be something similar like the Heartfilias being doom to die at a young age.

As soon as you said "they don't have log life spans." I thought of the Einzberns but couldn't remember who they were. Then you said it. My mind was thinking if some other series. And it would be similar if Ragnarok is the war that Hearfilias are doomed to die in it. But yea something like homunculus as oppose to straight reincarnation. Because Layla didn't die when Lucy was born. They both existed at same time.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

As soon as you said "they don't have log life spans." I thought of the Einzberns but couldn't remember who they were. Then you said it. My mind was thinking if some other series. And it would be similar if Ragnarok is the war that Hearfilias are doomed to die in it. But yea something like homunculus as oppose to straight reincarnation. Because Layla didn't die when Lucy was born. They both existed at same time.

The Heartfilias possibly being homunculus makes me wonder how Zeref was able to make the Heartfilias into homunculus? The Heartfilias being homunculus makes the most sense because Lucy couldn't be Anna reincarnation since Lucy looks like Anna/Layla and Layla was alive when Lucy was alive. I guess if you put it that way the Heartfilias will die out with Lucy as the last Heartfilia. Lucy, Layla, and Anna being homunculus would be a parallel to Elie and Resha being the person though we won't get that parallel until after we get the fake death since Mashima is doing all the parallels from Rave Master chapter 258 in order. Since we got Natsu seeing his parents around the dinner table which is a parallel to Elie seeing her parents around the dinner table, Natsu seeing his memories/regaining his memories is a parallel to Elie regaining her memories, and next is the fake death. Well the Einzberns homunculus didn't just have a short lifespan they lacked reproductive capabilities due to a physical defect at the price being given life at artificial means and Irisviel was the only Einzberns homunculus that was able to give birth due to being created to be mother body of the ultimate homunculus. Also Illyasviel and Irisviel bear a genetic resemblance to their ancestor, Justeaze Lizrich von Einzbern which would be similar to Lucy and Layla looking exactly like Anna. Which means me wonder if Hiro took some ideas from Fate/Stay Night and based the Heartfilias on the Einzberns.

 

[Left Eye of Ra]

The Heartfilias possibly be homunculus makes me wonder how Zeref was able to make the Heartfilias into homunculus? The Heartfilias being homunculus makes the most sense because Lucy couldn't be Anna reincarnation since Lucy looks like Anna/Layla and Layla was alive when Lucy was alive. I guess if you put it that way the Heartfilias will die out with Lucy as the last Heartfilia. Lucy, Layla, and Anna being homunculus would be a parallel to Elie and Resha being the person though we won't get that parallel until after we get the fake death since Mashima is doing all the parallels from Rave Master chapter 258 in order. Since we got Natsu seeing his parents around the dinner table which is a parallel to Elie seeing her parents around the dinner table, Natsu seeing his memories/regaining his memories is a parallel to Elie regaining her memories, and next is the fake death. Well the Einzberns homunculus didn't just have a short lifespan they lacked reproductive capabilities due to a physical defect at the price being given life at artificial means and Irisviel was the only Einzberns homunculus that was able to give birth due to being created to be mother body of the ultimate homunculus. Also Illyasviel and Irisviel bear a genetic resemblance to their ancestor, Justeaze Lizrich von Einzbern which would be similar to Lucy and Layla looking exactly like Anna. Which means me wonder if Hiro took some ideas from Fate/Stay Night and based the Heartfilias on the Einzberns.

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This is interesting but overcomplicated. Elie was Resha Valentine from the past who had lost her memories. Lucy is Anna Heartfilia from the past who had her memories wiped after coming through the eclipse gate with the dragon slayers. That is why the CSK calls her old friend.

Natsu at least was older before he came through the gate. Atlas Flame remembered a fight between Igneel and END which was not with a child, Acnologia is afraid of END and probably not just of the story that Zeref made him to be powerful and then he disappeared for 400 years. The Tartorus demons await his return, not arrival. The conclusion seems to be that the regression magic from sun village was also used to protect the eclipse travellers by turning them into children to protect them from detection.

Whatever the mechanism, Elie was Resha. Lucy is in all probability going to be Anna.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

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Elie was Resha Valentine from the past who had lost her memories. Lucy is Anna Heartfilia from the past who had her memories wiped after coming through the eclipse gate with the dragon slayers.

Whatever the mechanism, Elie was Resha. Lucy is in all probability going to be Anna.

The reason Resha faked her death was to escape her kidnappers and to make her kidnappers think she was dead. The reason Resha was put into suspended animation was to make sure she would be alive 50 years later and so she can keep preserve her youth so she would be able to destroy Endless. Marakia (Haru's grandfather) helped Resha fake her death and by having the Knights of the Blue Sky say that Resha is dead to the Symphonia Kingdom and putting her in suspended animation but before they parted ways Resha told Marakia she knew she wouldn't see him again. When Elie woke up from suspended animation after Sieg Hart blow up the lab she was and attacked her after she woke up on Luka Continent a year before the Rave Master begin and Elie was from the Symphonia Continent which is where the Symphonia Kingdom and Elie Village is. So Resha's fake death would have to be paralleled by a character who woke up on Alvarez a year ago after being in suspended animation (due to being captured by Zeref years ago) and after some kind of lab blew up only to be attacked by someone and then returning back to Ishgar.

 

[Crescent Jinx]

Which means me wonder if Hiro took some ideas from Fate/Stay Night and based the Heartfilias on the Einzberns.

You know that scene with Juvia and Lucy in Phantom Lord. It reminds me of this:

Spoiler: This moment

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

You know that scene with Juvia and Lucy in Phantom Lord. It reminds me of this:

Spoiler: This moment

So Hiro did use some ideas from Fate/Stay Night, huh. So can we assume that Hiro based that the Heartfilias off the Einzberns then?

 

[Crescent Jinx]

So Hiro did use some ideas from Fate/Stay Night, huh. So can we assume that Hiro based that the Heartfilias off the Einzberns then?

I think we can assume the original concept.... the one introduced back with Layla and the dragon of 777 was based on it. Since that was also introduced in Phantom Lord. I'm not sure if he has changed or added anything by this point.