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Elfgreen is not canon by the official translation of Crunchyroll, so sad :m3j:8C
Miraxus conversation made sense for the first time :notamused
 

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but consider how they act they are canon in my book even Evergreen fantisizing about her and Elfman like they were married :rofl
 

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Chapter 545: Fulfilling everyone's head canon whether they are for the couple or not.
 

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Yea, I put this in other treath but I really Want put Here too

There are many authors who play with the idea of couples to attract more fans as were the cases of Kishimoto and Tite, who played with the Fandoms however if you were observer in all their interviews and notes had, you would see that they already had their partners From the outset.

Mashima on the contrary is an author who has already made romantic stories and we know more or less how plays those plans, that is why with him could not put one to think that he would do the same as others.

I never understood the fandom that Natsu couple with Lissana if they did not really have interaction and the character did not have the level of importance that if they had Hinata and Orihime at the time, their level of importance to the prota was also low to levels Very high and did not really generate that level empathy that if they had Erza, Lucy and Wendy, even other women like Ultear had much more interaction.

On Twitter we remember that Mashima once played with that idea of the Fandoms, but I feel that he made it very clear which are the couples that he planned to leave implicit from the beginning.



I think some are obsessed with being that Canonical should marry because to marry and have children is to completely close the cycle, unfortunately that also involves closing down fully the growth of the characters and the adventures they have in the future, because It would not be the young ones, see with Naruto and with Ichigo, that once married and with Children their role became rather more boring.


Mashima played a lot with the couples but unlike others and seeing his twitter, has allowed to notice how was the established order without changing the general ideology of the same and create an unnecessary war of couples


 

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Yea, I put this in other treath but I really Want put Here too

There are many authors who play with the idea of couples to attract more fans as were the cases of Kishimoto and Tite, who played with the Fandoms however if you were observer in all their interviews and notes had, you would see that they already had their partners From the outset.

Mashima on the contrary is an author who has already made romantic stories and we know more or less how plays those plans, that is why with him could not put one to think that he would do the same as others.

I never understood the fandom that Natsu couple with Lissana if they did not really have interaction and the character did not have the level of importance that if they had Hinata and Orihime at the time, their level of importance to the prota was also low to levels Very high and did not really generate that level empathy that if they had Erza, Lucy and Wendy, even other women like Ultear had much more interaction.

On Twitter we remember that Mashima once played with that idea of the Fandoms, but I feel that he made it very clear which are the couples that he planned to leave implicit from the beginning.



I think some are obsessed with being that Canonical should marry because to marry and have children is to completely close the cycle, unfortunately that also involves closing down fully the growth of the characters and the adventures they have in the future, because It would not be the young ones, see with Naruto and with Ichigo, that once married and with Children their role became rather more boring.


Mashima played a lot with the couples but unlike others and seeing his twitter, has allowed to notice how was the established order without changing the general ideology of the same and create an unnecessary war of couples


So basically juvia was set up with gray from the get go, whereas in natsu's case I could see him havung 3-4 options but well he went with you know who.
 

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So basically juvia was set up with gray from the get go, whereas in natsu's case I could see him havung 3-4 options but well he went with you know who.
For me it was a game of what Mashima thinks as he sees the fans of the couples, Natsu always put it with almost all, whereas Gray with the Fandom is almost completely with Juvia.

Same if we go to tests, analysis and all sorts of revisions veras which are the most favorite couples of the public and those that he wanted to imply
 

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For me it was a game of what Mashima thinks as he sees the fans of the couples, Natsu always put it with almost all, whereas Gray with the Fandom is almost completely with Juvia.

Same if we go to tests, analysis and all sorts of revisions veras which are the most favorite couples of the public and those that he wanted to imply
Sorry pal, I think I will disagree with you here, ever since tenrou arc happened natsu has been massively been paired with lucy and lucy only(I would say nearly approx 90%). Maybe in the earlier series natsu was paired with erza more but he was still paired with lucy even back then(though around 40%). Well come to think of it it was tenroy where author decided to ship and pair natsu with lucy more coz of the nalu moments we got later on. Not to mention omakes and extra chapters always have nalu even from the get go.
I think earlier on he was undecided to ship natsu with either with luc or with erza but later on settled with lucy just like my pals @Asorx and @Crescent_jinxgrace mentioned below.
 

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Sorry pal, I think I will disagree with you here, ever since tenrou arc happened natsu has been massively been paired with lucy and lucy only(I would say nearly approx 90%). Maybe in the earlier series natsu was paired with erza more but he was still paired with lucy even back then(though around 40%). Well come to think of it it was tenroy where author decided to ship and pair natsu with lucy more coz of the nalu moments we got later on. Not to mention omakes and extra chapters always have nalu even from the get go.
I think earlier on he was undecided to ship natsu with either with luc or with erza but later on settled with lucy just like my pals @Asorx and @Crescent_jinxgrace mentioned below.
I do not say no, I meant the Fandoms not the author.

I am 100% NaLu, but I walk for various forums and pages and I have seen how are the Fandoms, there are many couples so rare that it is really surprising, I say there are fandoms of characters that in their life have acted together sometime, there are couples who Create by aesthetics since they look "Good" with each other and there are those who like couples Crack because they just want to do trolling.

If we focus on it, you will see that even though the Author implied the NaLu, Erzaxjerall and other couples, I did not close them precisely to avoid that conflict.

But a matter, that so many messages about couples come to him, shows how popular and how well he did, because I really touch the hearts of many people
 

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Sorry pal, I think I will disagree with you here, ever since tenrou arc happened natsu has been massively been paired with lucy and lucy only(I would say nearly approx 90%). Maybe in the earlier series natsu was paired with erza more but he was still paired with lucy even back then(though around 40%). Well come to think of it it was tenroy where author decided to ship and pair natsu with lucy more coz of the nalu moments we got later on. Not to mention omakes and extra chapters always have nalu even from the get go.
I think earlier on he was undecided to ship natsu with either with luc or with erza but later on settled with lucy just like my pals @Asorx and @Crescent_jinxgrace mentioned below.
Yep! Thanks for tag.

@Emperor Spriggan and I are reading through the manga together for fun since series ended.... analyzing everything from ships to battles to plot. And we are about to do phantom lord right now.

As for the ships we are looking at it based on 1) author's intent (was Mashima really aiming at a shipping or close bond), 2) fan's interpretation (could a person interpret an interaction as potentially romantic), 3) anime influence (did the anime make something more romantic then manga), 4) consistency/logic of relationship. As for Natsu ships @Emperor Spriggan ships Naza and I ship Nalu. Neither of us ships Nali.

And right now we are both at conclusion that there are no ships prior to phantom Lord from Mashima himself. All interactions within Erza and Lucy and Natsu were platonic.

But someone could interpret certain moments in Daybreak, Eisenwall, Galuna as "Shippy" but they could also be more sibling bond with Naza (Erza punching him in the stomach then letting him rest in her lap) and platonic with Nalu (breaking into her house) Gray on the other hand seems a bit more of a "ladies" man early on. Him looking at Virgo's panties, flirting with Lucy, calling Erza cute on Galuna. But even this can be described as harmless humor from Mashima. The only one that seemed to have romantic influence was Jellal x Ultear with their flirting but even then he laughed at her getting smacked around by Natsu. Sieg hart meeting Erza when she was arrested was sexy but also meant to be intimidating cuz he was a villain.

Also the anime made certain moments seem more romantic like Lucy pulling Natsu back from hurting himself in Eisenwall. We just did the chapter yesterday where Erza wants to take a bath with Gray and Natsu from phantom Lord and really that's "friendzoning/sibling zoning" to the max. I dare any non gay male to take a bath with Erza and not get a hard on.

With that being said, I personally believe (from reading the manga multiple times) that phantom Lord was the arc where Mashima started teasing ships but it was more for teasing - Grayza hug, Lucy jumping to Natsu, Natsu catching Lucy getting the same "boner face" in chapter 50 as Stone Age omake, even Gray taking care of Erza, Gruvia's fight/Juvia being in love with Gray, Natsu/Lisanna omake, and Natsu grabbing Erza falling in battle, Lucy blushing at Natsu literally the whole damn arc.

And it's right after Phantom Lord you had an implosion of ships - Lolu in Loke arc and Fighting Festival, Gajevy in fighting festival, about 6 omakes dedicated to Nalu, you had Jerza, Grayza, Naza and Simza in ToH, then Minor Nalu and Naza in FF but Jerza, Naza, Nalu, NaWen(?) in OS, Nali in Edolas, Edolas Nalu and Earthland Nalu plus Lucy Ashley x Earthland Natsu in Edolas, introduction of Everelf in Tenrou.

Edolas/tenrou cemented these ships because really, none of the main ships have changed since then, but you do see a decline in other ships - Lolu, Nali, Naza, Graylu, Grayza - after Tenrou.

But also canonly you could see it from - Gray seeing Juvia in a new light, Gajeel growing closer to levy, Natsu and Lucy becoming inseparable.

People make fun of drunk Erza calling out the ships in the Christmas omake but I personally have to question if this was something she really felt watching Juvia always being around Gray, Natsu and Lucy always together, Levy leave team shadowgear to be more with Gajeel. Mira and Evergreen interacting more with Laxus and Elfman. Cuz who was there for Erza.... and the easy answer is Jellal. Which is why I always feel their ship is the most tragic and mature. Not because of how Mashima executed it poorly at times but because of "Jerza want to be together and can't."
 
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Yep! Thanks for tag.

@Emperor Spriggan and I are reading through the manga together for fun since series ended.... analyzing everything from ships to battles to plot. And we are about to do phantom lord right now.

As for the ships we are looking at it based on 1) author's intent (was Mashima really aiming at a shipping or close bond), 2) fan's interpretation (could a person interpret an interaction as potentially romantic), 3) anime influence (did the anime make something more romantic then manga), 4) consistency/logic of relationship. As for Natsu ships @Emperor Spriggan ships Naza and I ship Nalu. Neither of us ships Nali.

And right now we are both at conclusion that there are no ships prior to phantom Lord from Mashima himself. All interactions within Erza and Lucy and Natsu were platonic.

But someone could interpret certain moments in Daybreak, Eisenwall, Galuna as "Shippy" but they could also be more sibling bond with Naza (Erza punching him in the stomach then letting him rest in her lap) and platonic with Nalu (breaking into her house) Gray on the other hand seems a bit more of a "ladies" man early on. Him looking at Virgo's panties, flirting with Lucy, calling Erza cute on Galuna. But even this can be described as harmless humor from Mashima. The only one that seemed to have romantic influence was Jellal x Ultear with their flirting but even then he laughed at her getting smacked around by Natsu.

Also the anime made certain moments seem more romantic like Lucy pulling Natsu back from hurting himself in Eisenwall. We just did the chapter yesterday where Erza wants to take a bath with Gray and Natsu from phantom Lord and really that's "friendzoning/sibling zoning" to the max. I dare any non gay male to take a bath with Erza and not get a hard on.

With that being said, I personally believe (from reading the manga multiple times) that phantom Lord was the arc where Mashima started teasing ships but it was more for teasing - Grayza hug, Lucy jumping to Natsu, Natsu catching Lucy getting the same "boner face" in chapter 50 as Stone Age omake, even Gray taking care of Erza, Gruvia's fight/Juvia being in love with Gray, Natsu/Lisanna omake, and Natsu grabbing Erza falling in battle, Lucy blushing at Natsu literally the whole damn arc.

And it's right after Phantom Lord you had an implosion of ships - Lolu in Loke arc and Fighting Festival, Gajevy in fighting festival, about 6 omakes dedicated to Nalu, you had Jerza, Grayza, Naza and Simza in ToH, then Minor Nalu and Naza in FF but Jerza, Naza, Nalu, NaWen(?) in OS, Nali in Edolas, Edolas Nalu and Earthland Nalu plus Lucy Ashley x Earthland Natsu in Edolas, introduction of Everelf in Tenrou.

Edolas/tenrou cemented these ships because really, none of the main ships have changed since then, but you do see a decline in other ships - Lolu, Nali, Naza, Graylu, Grayza - after Tenrou.

But also canonly you could see it from - Gray seeing Juvia in a new light, Gajeel growing closer to levy, Natsu and Lucy becoming inseparable.

People make fun of drunk Erza calling out the ships in the Christmas omake but I personally have to question if this was something she really felt watching Juvia always being around Gray, Natsu and Lucy always together, Levy leave team shadowgear to be more with Gajeel. Mira and Evergreen interacting more with Laxus and Elfman. Cuz who was there for Erza.... and the easy answer is Jellal. Which is why I always feel their ship is the most tragic and mature. Not because of how Mashima executed it poorly at times but because of "Jerza want to be together and can't."
Well said totally agree with you, both gajevy and nalu actually started to become more obvious from tenrou arc.I think tenrou could be called as the arc which confirmed which ships will be there in the future.
And right jerza is the tragic ship of FT no doubt.
 

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¿NaLi?

Well I think a Spin Off of the 100 Year Mission could be very productive, although with the current Protas Power Level I do not know that I feel the 100 year old mission would end in less than 2 months.



This will be a little Off Topic.

There are many authors who play with the idea of couples to attract more fans as were the cases of Kishimoto and Tite, who played with the Fandoms however if you were observer in all their interviews and notes had, you would see that they already had their partners From the outset.

Mashima on the contrary is an author who has already made romantic stories and we know more or less how plays those plans, that is why with him could not put one to think that he would do the same as others.

I never understood the fandom that Natsu couple with Lissana if they did not really have interaction and the character did not have the level of importance that if they had Hinata and Orihime at the time, their level of importance to the prota was also low to levels Very high and did not really generate that level empathy that if they had Erza, Lucy and Wendy, even other women like Ultear had much more interaction.

On Twitter we remember that Mashima once played with that idea of the Fandoms, but I feel that he made it very clear which are the couples that he planned to leave implicit from the beginning.



I think some are obsessed with being that Canonical should marry because to marry and have children is to completely close the cycle, unfortunately that also involves closing down fully the growth of the characters and the adventures they have in the future, because It would not be the young ones, see with Naruto and with Ichigo, that once married and with Children their role became rather more boring.


Mashima played a lot with the couples but unlike others and seeing his twitter, has allowed to notice how was the established order without changing the general ideology of the same and create an unnecessary war of couples


I am responding here Nali = Natsu and Lisanna.
That is true that married and children seems like confirmed and completed. However, from a married person, most challenges arise after marriage. From a fictional standpoint it doesn't seem interesting to do married life problems (which is why sequels aren't good) most likely as you pointed out (married = completed)

The last one looks like their foreplay :D
It doesn't have anything to do with societal ideals, Nowadays the society can understand and accept why someone didn't get married or have kids, Many factors actually impact that so it's quite understandable in real world. When it comes to manga and fictional world, perfection is a must because there is no obstacles to make anything happen it's very easier to make it than the real world, Also many fans grow up while reading this manga which make things more complicated when it comes to their favorite character or favorite ship, It gets really worse when that character die or that ship doesn't happen at the end, Some actually are committing suicide or lose their minds over it. The mangaka should take all that in his consideration while writing his ending for a long running story.


It make sense why some ppl still ship them because they were childhood friends and Lissana actually had a huge impact on Natsu but things have changed but some of it's fans didn't. Lucy happened in Natsu's life and their bond are getting stronger and strongere, On the other hand, Lissana role in Natsu's life started vanshing for that point, She literally stepped aside and gave him to Lucy. Also in Edolas Natsu and Lucy were more closer than Natsu and Lissana.

I'm glad that Mashima didn't make unnecessary love triangle between Natsu, Lucy and Lissana. In fact it would have been better if Lucy and Lissana merged into one character from the very start. Actually Lissana is Lucy but her character declined really hard. Her role is limited to staruss family so it would be better if Lucy and Lissana were one character.
I think that's why Mashima teased a Laxus and Lisanna to confirm Nali won't happen.
 

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I think an easier explanation for Natsu not kissing Lucy is that he didn't either feel for her like that or had no idea what to do.
This. Entirely this. He's a lesser version of Goku (who apparently did the do but never kissed his wife). It is almost entirely likely that he just didn't know how to kiss her or how to explain how he felt. He's emotionally retarded, or socially...maybe both.
 

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I think that's why Mashima teased a Laxus and Lisanna to confirm Nali won't happen.
Nali wasn't even mentioned as a potential couple in the last chapter.
 

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The only reason goku even married chi chi was coz he thought marriage is some ind of food he could eat.:facepalm. That was a hilarious moment though.
Well, he can eat while married ;)

Nali wasn't even mentioned as a potential couple in the last chapter.
Exactly, which is why that ship had sunk. The Laxus rumour part was similar to Gray when FT rejoined, which makes those pairings the most ambiguous. I swear Mashima was like "how do I tease these shippers this week" :D
 

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Well, he can eat while married ;)


Exactly, which is why that ship had sunk. The Laxus rumour part was similar to Gray when FT rejoined, which makes those pairings the most ambiguous. I swear Mashima was like "how do I tease these shippers this week" :D
Sorry to ask but when was NALI even sailing. Lissanna hardly even talked to natsu forget about there moments.:smile-big
 

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I think Natsu was the only winner at the end :D, he is traveling with three single girls and without any commitment that during the trip they can develop their love feelings for him, and Natsu for them, to which the 4 will decide to live together At the Heartfilia mansion after completing the 100 year mission. Surely Gray will return earlier because he will find out that Jubia is pregnant with his baby and he wants to be there when he is born. :D
 

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Think Nali died same omake chapter it was introduced because right after Lisanna asked to marry Natsu, he called her a "masegaki" a word he heard from Makarov, which means "precocious beat."

Their only other meaningful moments was in Edolas when he saw Lisanna and Lucy Ashley stopped him (the symbology of that was not lost on any Nalu fan).

Then the hug of Lisanna and Natsu at the end of Edolas, but the funny thing was Natsu had on the page before given Lucy his Lord Dragneel cape against the rain. People can say what they want to but a guy offering a girl his jacket in the rain is romantic. Which is one of my top favorite shippy moments.

And then Lisanna and Natsu redoing the Bellnika x Haru naked jail scene from Hardner arc. And Bellnika x Haru sunk in Rave master too.
 

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Sorry to ask but when was NALI even sailing. Lissanna hardly even talked to natsu forget about there moments.:smile-big
I think it was in a kiddy pool with the Dragon Egg omake and was sorta floating until it eventually died during Edolas.
 

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Yea, I put this in other treath but I really Want put Here too

There are many authors who play with the idea of couples to attract more fans as were the cases of Kishimoto and Tite, who played with the Fandoms however if you were observer in all their interviews and notes had, you would see that they already had their partners From the outset.

Mashima on the contrary is an author who has already made romantic stories and we know more or less how plays those plans, that is why with him could not put one to think that he would do the same as others.

I never understood the fandom that Natsu couple with Lissana if they did not really have interaction and the character did not have the level of importance that if they had Hinata and Orihime at the time, their level of importance to the prota was also low to levels Very high and did not really generate that level empathy that if they had Erza, Lucy and Wendy, even other women like Ultear had much more interaction.

On Twitter we remember that Mashima once played with that idea of the Fandoms, but I feel that he made it very clear which are the couples that he planned to leave implicit from the beginning.



I think some are obsessed with being that Canonical should marry because to marry and have children is to completely close the cycle, unfortunately that also involves closing down fully the growth of the characters and the adventures they have in the future, because It would not be the young ones, see with Naruto and with Ichigo, that once married and with Children their role became rather more boring.


Mashima played a lot with the couples but unlike others and seeing his twitter, has allowed to notice how was the established order without changing the general ideology of the same and create an unnecessary war of couples


But Natsu is traveling with Erza, Wendy and Lucy who are part of their harem according to that grafiti made by Mashima, which indicates that it was a long time idea to avoid that the fandom of the couples continued fighting.
 
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