Discussion The Official Relationship/Pairing/Shipping Thread

[M3J]

That was the most weird part in the chaper, The first time you look at it looks like they had innocent sleep but then Lucy's comment "I can't be bride" makes it not innocent at all. Not to mention Happy telling her "Does your belly hurts" which really have many meaning xD.

Yes, He likes Lucy because he liked Anna before that what the whole thing implied, Why you keep bringing Erza? He said Lucy not Erza or any other girl, Aside from Erza and her personality, There are tonnes of girls with friendly personalities like Lucy that Natsu grow up with but it is Lucy that Natsu feel comfortable around not anyone else.

I don't care about your opinion regarding them really, You find them awkward i don't find them like that at all. You're Gaylu/lolu fan after all which said enough.


Lucy also gained Natsu's trust so fast and she was the first one to be on his team.

So basically, he likes Anna, then, as Lucy smells like Anna.

If you read, you'll see why I kept bringing up Erza. Or for that matter, Natsu would like anyone with the same smell as his friends, as long as they're not the bad guys. And I'm sure Natsu didn't spend as much time with these other girls as he did with Lucy, where they went on missions together. So of course it makes sense he'd feel comfortable around Lucy. Doesn't mean anything romantic, it just means he considers Lucy a close friend. The next girl he's spent the most time with is Erza, and Erza has this domineering personality that scares Natsu a lot of times, so yeah. And Juvia is Gray's.

Yes you do. When you reply or even start the exchange, it shows you care. And yeah, I find it awkward because of Natsu being an immature idiot. Gray and Loki aren't like Natsu, hence why they seem to gel well. If you find Natsu and Lucy to be natural as romantic pairing, good for you. But the manga has never established them as a romantic pairing.

Excuse me for liking or preferring romantic pairings that actually feel more romantic. And Gray and LUcy aren't even close to romance, so that's pretty sad for Natsu and Lucy

Doubt that's true, but okay.

 

[Gabo]

I think you're confused, Natsu is not in love with Anna, Natsu liked Anna, but that I think it was a child, or Anna was Natsu's first love, and if Natsu was much with Lucy, That he feels like Anna, but it should be noted that although Natsu does not use the word "Like" with any, since that does Gajeel, Natsu does not deny it either.

It's just not that Natsu confused his feelings for Anna with what he has with Lucy, but he makes an analogy that what he felt for Anna is the same thing he feels for Lucy.

 

[Raven]

So basically, he likes Anna, then, as Lucy smells like Anna.

If you read, you'll see why I kept bringing up Erza. Or for that matter, Natsu would like anyone with the same smell as his friends, as long as they're not the bad guys. And I'm sure Natsu didn't spend as much time with these other girls as he did with Lucy, where they went on missions together. So of course it makes sense he'd feel comfortable around Lucy. Doesn't mean anything romantic, it just means he considers Lucy a close friend. The next girl he's spent the most time with is Erza, and Erza has this domineering personality that scares Natsu a lot of times, so yeah. And Juvia is Gray's.

Yes you do. When you reply or even start the exchange, it shows you care. And yeah, I find it awkward because of Natsu being an immature idiot. Gray and Loki aren't like Natsu, hence why they seem to gel well. If you find Natsu and Lucy to be natural as romantic pairing, good for you. But the manga has never established them as a romantic pairing.

Excuse me for liking or preferring romantic pairings that actually feel more romantic. And Gray and LUcy aren't even close to romance, so that's pretty sad for Natsu and Lucy

Doubt that's true, but okay.

Natsu spend more time with other girls at the guild for more than 15 years at least. Lucy happened in his life from 3 or 4 years in FT verse. Any guy with a functioning brain will know that Natsu spend less time with Lucy compared to the other girls in his guild. Natsu would like anyone of his friends that's true but he always gave Lucy abit of special treatment. You brought Erza because you will always use that excuse that is her personality. What about Cana, Her personality is carefree just like Natsu and her father is a character that Natsu give him a lot of respect. The fact that he said that he is calm when is with Lucy it does means that he likes her most at least better than any girl that Natsu saw, So because of the Anna thing, it's not about personalities or anything that you're calming.

Almost all of the Mcs are like that, Nothing really changed on that, It's not any awkward for them to be a couple based on their character both are bad in romance and their ending make sense as a couple. Maybe Mashima didn't intent to make their a couple in the beginning but he didn't close the possibility. In the last chapter he left things open for the fans and actually established the ship.

I thought you were a guy that search for actual development in the story, How is Graylu or LoLu is more romantic? that some non-sense talk, likeing crack ships over main one while searching for progression from Natsu's side xDDDD Best thing that Lucy doesn't have any feelings for them, She prefer Natsu over them any day, Once she get drunk she only look for Natsu not Loke or Gray. Mashima said Natsu isn't good with words but his actions is mostly speaking of what he feels so yes depends on his actions for Lucy all this long it's safe to say that he likes Lucy.

 

[M3J]

I think you're confused, Natsu is not in love with Anna, Natsu liked Anna, but that I think it was a child, or Anna was Natsu's first love, and if Natsu was much with Lucy, That he feels like Anna, but it should be noted that although Natsu does not use the word "Like" with any, since that does Gajeel, Natsu does not deny it either.

It's just not that Natsu confused his feelings for Anna with what he has with Lucy, but he makes an analogy that what he felt for Anna is the same thing he feels for Lucy.

I'm not confused. I'm just gathering conclusion from what I've been told, if you read the conversation between us, and nowhere did I ever say "love."

Denying it doesn't mean much. What matters is that Natsu himself confesses, which he hasn't done. Nor has he even come close to hinting some kind of romantic interest in Lucy either, which is why I find it weird that fans are reaching so much to make the shipping canon.

But it is weird that some fans are implying he likes Lucy because of Anna, and not because of who Lucy is.

 

[Raven]

People should understand the meaning behind the panels. Natsu had a crush on Anna, Lucy's ancestor, and never gave so much as a hint of it until Gajeel tried to tease him for having had a crush on her at a younger age with seemingly no evidence to support it. But Natsu's response is very Natsu, with a "yeah, so?" Which for me just shows that Natsu's behavior doesn't change and wouldn't change even if he loved someone. The meaning here is quite simple, He feel calm around Lucy because she is so much like Anna. The thing is Lucy manged to make him feel calm means that she gained the same like that of Anna's.

 

[Angiecakes1990]

I just hope it's not as bad as his dad's. I have a feeling Natsu would look like this

and whats wrong with that to be honest I perfer a shaggy look on natsu plus papa dragneel looked good

 

[Gabo]

People should understand the meaning behind the panels. Natsu had a crush on Anna, Lucy's ancestor, and never gave so much as a hint of it until Gajeel tried to tease him for having had a crush on her at a younger age with seemingly no evidence to support it. But Natsu's response is very Natsu, with a "yeah, so?" Which for me just shows that Natsu's behavior doesn't change and wouldn't change even if he loved someone. The meaning here is quite simple, He feel calm around Lucy because she is so much like Anna. The thing is Lucy manged to make him feel calm means that she gained the same like that of Anna's.

That's precisely how Natsu is.

Natsu will not see you saying things like "I love you" or "You're my girl" or admitting that you like someone, not because you do not know or maybe Tsundere or silly, but rather, it is because he is not Someone who expresses himself, is the classic, "Why did not you tell me ?, Because you never asked me?" Natsu I think if someone asked him directly if Lucy wants, he would answer yes or no directly without Decorate it or not add anything else, if you have not said another cosae pro that no one has asked you directly.

Look that Gajeel I imagine that only suspected and in so many Years, that is since they met Natsu never said that he wanted Anna and at the end when Gajeel in a direct way that she had been his first love, he did not deny it at all , No one had ever asked him, and that was why he had not had to say it.

It will be the same with Lucy, until no one directly asks if she wants it or not, it will be difficult for him to say it, but many of his actions leave in remarkable the love he feels for her that goes beyond friendship or brotherhood.

 

[Reebi]

You guys have it wrong. It's an oedipus complex. Anna was like his mom and so he subconsciously went for Lucy. It happens all the time when people realise they marry someone similar to their parents. If his mom didn't die I bet he would be with Cana.

 

[Gabo]

You guys have it wrong. It's an oedipus complex. Anna was like his mom and so he subconsciously went for Lucy. It happens all the time when people realise they marry someone similar to their parents. If his mom didn't die I bet he would be with Cana.

He never said he liked her as a mother, nor did Wendy herself say it when I remember, Wendy called her Sensei not Mom or something.

Gajeel used the term, you like it as a loving method and Natsu never denied it, you do not have to want to give all the "He wants it like a mother" if nowhere is Natsu affirming that

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

You guys have it wrong. It's an oedipus complex. Anna was like his mom and so he subconsciously went for Lucy. It happens all the time when people realise they marry someone similar to their parents. If his mom didn't die I bet he would be with Cana.

That's how my dad is/was since he looking for a woman like his mom even though she destroyed four marriages. Those marriages being my dads first two marriages and my uncle's first two marriages. To be honest after my grandfather died my grandmother ended up being a bitter woman though she mellowed not long before she died.

 

[Reebi]

He never said he liked her as a mother, nor did Wendy herself say it when I remember, Wendy called her Sensei not Mom or something.

Gajeel used the term, you like it as a loving method and Natsu never denied it, you do not have to want to give all the "He wants it like a mother" if nowhere is Natsu affirming that

Anna was the only woman who he grew up with and was there for most development stages in life (biological one died when he was an infant) so in a way she was like his mother. He went through the gate when he was like 10, which is right before puberty. That could mean psychological he feels abandoned by her and subconsciously wanted to seek a partner similar to her. I mean, when Igneel left he had huge daddy issues with abandonment. Why wouldn't Anna be subconsciously be a factor with his parental issues?

 

[Gabo]

Anna was the only woman who he grew up with and was there for most development stages in life (biological one died when he was an infant) so in a way she was like his mother. He went through the gate when he was like 10, which is right before puberty. That could mean psychological he feels abandoned by her and subconsciously wanted to seek a partner similar to her. I mean, when Igneel left he had huge daddy issues with abandonment. Why wouldn't Anna be subconsciously be a factor with his parental issues?

Natsu is very direct, if he saw it as a mother would have said it, I think it is more than notorious with what Gajeel said, that Natsu was in love with Anna before, although I forget with most wave forget his love of Childhood, To remember it Natsu simplemenet I affirm it with a Yes, or a Of course, did not put anything else because that would be against its own simplistic personality

It is not obligatory for any woman to raise or help her to see her as a familiar figure, the simple fact that she has fallen in love with a child, the woman who was with them for a while (because what we saw is not even a lot What was with them)

Igneel if he raised him and Natsu himself calls him "Father" so with the simplistic personality of Natsu he would have called Mom, as he call Uncle to Atlas Flame.

It is simply a matter of seeing his personality

 

[Reebi]

Natsu is very direct, if he saw it as a mother would have said it, I think it is more than notorious with what Gajeel said, that Natsu was in love with Anna before, although I forget with most wave forget his love of Childhood, To remember it Natsu simplemenet I affirm it with a Yes, or a Of course, did not put anything else because that would be against its own simplistic personality

It is not obligatory for any woman to raise or help her to see her as a familiar figure, the simple fact that she has fallen in love with a child, the woman who was with them for a while (because what we saw is not even a lot What was with them)

Igneel if he raised him and Natsu himself calls him "Father" so with the simplistic personality of Natsu he would have called Mom, as he call Uncle to Atlas Flame.

It is simply a matter of seeing his personality

Consciously, he calls her Anna-sensei and knows that isn't his mother. Subconsciously, she is the woman he grew up with and would have the same mother aspects. All of Freud's theories have to do with a subconscious level and use analysis. Yes, you are right he doesn't call her mother; however, he grew up and was raised by her so any adult female interaction as a child he learned from her.

Also, Japanese children/teenagers call adults aunt and uncle all the time.

 

[Gabo]

Consciously, he calls her Anna-sensei and knows that isn't his mother. Subconsciously, she is the woman he grew up with and would have the same mother aspects. All of Freud's theories have to do with a subconscious level and use analysis. Yes, you are right he doesn't call her mother; however, he grew up and was raised by her so any adult female interaction as a child he learned from her.

Also, Japanese children/teenagers call adults aunt and uncle all the time.

What does not mean that he never calls her Mom, Aunt or sensei, he calls her Anna.

It is necessary to differentiate that whereas with Igneel uses familiar terms to talk about and with other personages uses amicable terms, the few interactions that have with Anna are identical to which it has with Lucy, that is special.

To see her as a mother or as a familiar figure would have told her, Mom, Auntie or the Japanese term for Okusama, which would be the opposite of Ossan "Uncle" or "Mister" in Japanese.

Hence what he felt for Anna if it was love, and when he says that he feels the same for Lucy or that Lucy makes him feel the same is an indirect revelation

 

[Reebi]

What does not mean that he never calls her Mom, Aunt or sensei, he calls her Anna.

It is necessary to differentiate that whereas with Igneel uses familiar terms to talk about and with other personages uses amicable terms, the few interactions that have with Anna are identical to which it has with Lucy, that is special.

To see her as a mother or as a familiar figure would have told her, Mom, Auntie or the Japanese term for Okusama, which would be the opposite of Ossan "Uncle" or "Mister" in Japanese.

Hence what he felt for Anna if it was love, and when he says that he feels the same for Lucy or that Lucy makes him feel the same is an indirect revelation

I'm guessing they would just call her Anna-sensei like Wendy did. Just because he didn't call her mother doesn't mean he views her as a mother figure. No one offered that offical role but Anna raised him. She was the only adult woman he grew up with; thus she would fit that role and he would have the same subconscious feelings as a mother. When he said he had the hotts for her and that's why he likes Lucy, he's admitting to having an Oedipus Complex.

I guess we can agree to disagree at this point.

 

[M3J]

That's precisely how Natsu is.

Natsu will not see you saying things like "I love you" or "You're my girl" or admitting that you like someone, not because you do not know or maybe Tsundere or silly, but rather, it is because he is not Someone who expresses himself, is the classic, "Why did not you tell me ?, Because you never asked me?" Natsu I think if someone asked him directly if Lucy wants, he would answer yes or no directly without Decorate it or not add anything else, if you have not said another cosae pro that no one has asked you directly.

Look that Gajeel I imagine that only suspected and in so many Years, that is since they met Natsu never said that he wanted Anna and at the end when Gajeel in a direct way that she had been his first love, he did not deny it at all , No one had ever asked him, and that was why he had not had to say it.

It will be the same with Lucy, until no one directly asks if she wants it or not, it will be difficult for him to say it, but many of his actions leave in remarkable the love he feels for her that goes beyond friendship or brotherhood.

That honestly doesn't work. Gajeel is more or less very similar to Natsu, but even he was able to confess to Levy and show indications that he did have romantic feelings for Levy. Natsu has not done any of that and as far as I know, anything interpreted otherwise is just twisting things around or reaching just to validate the pairing. Many of his actions have also been extended to other characters as well. He was willing to die with Erza and did a lot for her as well.

You guys have it wrong. It's an oedipus complex. Anna was like his mom and so he subconsciously went for Lucy. It happens all the time when people realise they marry someone similar to their parents. If his mom didn't die I bet he would be with Cana.

So if Natsu likes Lucy, it's because he sees her like his mother and not as a romantic interest?

 

[Raven]

What does not mean that he never calls her Mom, Aunt or sensei, he calls her Anna.

It is necessary to differentiate that whereas with Igneel uses familiar terms to talk about and with other personages uses amicable terms, the few interactions that have with Anna are identical to which it has with Lucy, that is special.

To see her as a mother or as a familiar figure would have told her, Mom, Auntie or the Japanese term for Okusama, which would be the opposite of Ossan "Uncle" or "Mister" in Japanese.

Hence what he felt for Anna if it was love, and when he says that he feels the same for Lucy or that Lucy makes him feel the same is an indirect revelation

I'm guessing they would just call her Anna-sensei like Wendy did. Just because he didn't call her mother doesn't mean he views her as a mother figure. No one offered that offical role but Anna raised him. She was the only adult woman he grew up with; thus she would fit that role and he would have the same subconscious feelings as a mother. When he said he had the hotts for her and that's why he likes Lucy, he's admitting to having an Oedipus Complex.

I guess we can agree to disagree at this point.

Both of you have good points the most important thing that he is into the Heartfilias for whatever reason.

 

[Reebi]

So if Natsu likes Lucy, it's because he sees her like his mother and not as a romantic interest?

Since no one wants to Google this term:

Oedipus complex, in psychoanalytic theory, a desire for sexual involvement with the parent of the opposite sex and a concomitant sense of rivalry with the parent of the same sex; a crucial stage in the normal developmental process......
Freud attributed the Oedipus complex to children of about the ages three to five. He said the stage usually ended when the child identified with the parent of the same sex and repressed its sexual instincts.

From: https://www.britannica.com/topic/Oedipus-complex


Yes, he sees Lucy romantically because his subconscious sees Anna sexually. I thought this was taught in schools

 

[Gaggen]

From other translations, Lucy never said anything about being a bride.

Also when did Laxus get a harem? Last time I checked, Lucy was crossing his crack pairings out, and left him off. Mashima was basically poking fun of the crack ships Laxus was in.

 

[Cat Sidhe26]

Damn Raven, I thought you said were chilled, but you were acting like your old previous self again.

From other translations, Lucy never said anything about being a bride.

Also when did Laxus get a harem? Last time I checked, Lucy was crossing his crack pairings out, and left him off. Mashima was basically poking fun of the crack ships Laxus was in.

Wait Raven is still on mangahelpers since I haven't since her on mangahelpers in a while. So in other words Laxus ended up with no one, well maybe Laxus meet some nice girl during his excommunication who might have been the girl Laxus banged.