The ratfox thread

[Anax]

Thank you so much Ratfox!

So, if Raikiri mixes Japanese and Chinese readings, then what is the case with the famous "harakiri" in Greece, only seen as "sepukku" in American movies and manga... So, Kagekiri, cannot in any way be perceived as "shadowblade"? Man, that should teach me a lesson for making a cool sounding name without being sure of what it means and also trying to explain it to other people...
There was this move I can't quite spell in romaji, though I can give you an idea of --> tatsumakisenpuukyaku <-- which was Ruy/Ken's Hurricane Kick. Seeing as how I don't look past anything Japanese nowadays, I found out it can be broken in parts like tatsu, maki, senpuu, kyaku. So, what do those mean? Doesn't Lee have a move called "Konoha Senpuu"? Wasn't that "Konoha's Wind"? (Tekken's Kuma makes me relate this to a fart, but, oh well). I think there was a wind orb in Onimusha called "shipuu"... Anyway, it's your fault all these came in my mind (and consequently in your thread) since you brought up Street Fighter

As far as WoW goes, I'm not starting an alt any time soon (after all the Blood Elves won't be in the game anytime soon), which means we can keep this discussiong going and see where it'll take us (Street Fighter, cute Japanese girls with high-pitched voices, Sakura (SF), Sakura (N), Ino, cute manga girls etc. etc.)

So, Kageyumi, huh? Well, the "yumi" part I've seen before for one (in some anime, girl name). Shadowbow has also been one of the things I've been thinking of, but in Greece we are more or less the opposite of China when it comes to names and the such (we haven't always been like that, the ancient Greeks were even worse than the Chinese, though usually when refering to Gods. Cheesiness could be a universal characteristic of ancient civilizations...), which means I always have some sort of inner conflict when thinking of names like "Shadowbow"... In the end, WoW is supposedly set in one of those fantasy world where cheesy, over-exaggerated names where casual. Please bear with me and let's talk about this more Inkyuu sounds weird... I like the "kyuu" part but... Well, my hunter would have to be Undead to have such a name (Kageyumi would be fitting for a Night Elf, implying being stealthy as a shadow, or Undead, refering to the dark, shadowy nature of the undead). So, let's scrap the dark part for the hunter. My hunter will be an Orc, so think of something Orcish if possible (words with (G)s and (R)s and (K)s ). Keep in mind that the Hunter is in sync with nature, he can smell the opponent in the air, he can see a group of people 12 hours after they passed from a place just by looking at the ground after they've passed over it... A hunter loves his pet, which means he respects his prey and doesn't kill for fun. He might also be a skinner, to use the body of the fallen animal and in this way show his gratitude, show the spirit that it's life wasn't taken on a whim, that it was the need which guided the lethal arrow. If you could think of a name for a cat type pet too (though I might choose something else, in which case I'll contact you, though if it's a scorpion I'll name it Sasori, hands down ).
Shingo would mean so many things huh? Any place I can look at for meanings? You said that if we assume "shin" means "divine" that would lead us to someone feeling self-important, should I presume "go" means "self"? Also, should I presume, "Shin Akuma" is "True Akuma" unlike the cool-but-puzzling "Divine Akuma" I had in mind? Well, "shingo" sounds awfuly nice (and is the name of my level 2 Paladin in Ahn Qiraj), but after your explanation (and not knowing which version of the name to pick with 43 possible meanings...) let us leave it outside of this conversation untill I have found, read and contemptlated on those meanings
So, Kagema sounds nice, but let us think of some more names... I'll include some more elements of the warlock nature I'd like you to think of: a sadomasochist (think "Life Tap" which makes him lose life and gain mana, and also "Hellfire" which is an AoE damaging him and others around him), corrupted to the bone, dark, vile, (master) demonologist, evil as hell, hellfire, shadowbolt, Infernal, Doom Guard, Curse of Doom, Curse of Agony...
Take you time and reply to the Paladin question, I think I've covered the aspects of his personality I mostly cared about

Ratfox, I know you are a busy person, and if you think that's all kinda too much, I'll ask for permission to copy my posts here to a new thread in the translations section Should you wish to keep the discussion going here, I'll just tell you how much I appreciate your hellp and thank you for your time spent helping me

 

[ratfox]

So, if Raikiri mixes Japanese and Chinese readings, then what is the case with the famous "harakiri" in Greece, only seen as "sepukku" in American movies and manga... So, Kagekiri, cannot in any way be perceived as "shadowblade"? Man, that should teach me a lesson for making a cool sounding name without being sure of what it means and also trying to explain it to other people...

Simple. harakiri is the japanese reading of 腹切, and seppuku is the chinese reading of 切腹. The proper word is seppuku,
so they use it in movies. I don't know why westerners say harakiri, since japanese never do. But it's actually the same thing,
like in english "orthograph" means "writing right". I've checked again about Kagekiri, and the kanji 刃 which means blade can
apparently also be pronounced "kiri" according to my dictionary. So stretching it a bit, Kagekiri would also be 陰刃, or shadowblade.
If you want to change your mind, 霧 is said mist and is also read "kiri". So 陰霧 means shadowmist

There was this move I can't quite spell in romaji, though I can give you an idea of --> tatsumakisenpuukyaku <-- which was Ruy/Ken's Hurricane Kick.

Full score for the romaji! 竜巻 (tatsumaki in japanese reading) is tornado, litterally "coiling dragon". 旋風 (senpuu in chinese reading) is whirlwind, "rotating wind". 脚 (kyaku in chinese reading) is "leg", so I guess it means kick.

So, Kageyumi, huh? Well, the "yumi" part I've seen before for one (in some anime, girl name). Shadowbow has also been one of the things I've been thinking of, but in Greece we are more or less the opposite of China when it comes to names and the such (we haven't always been like that, the ancient Greeks were even worse than the Chinese, though usually when refering to Gods. Cheesiness could be a universal characteristic of ancient civilizations...), which means I always have some sort of inner conflict when thinking of names like "Shadowbow"... In the end, WoW is supposedly set in one of those fantasy world where cheesy, over-exaggerated names where casual.

Well, with name like Ironforge, Stormwind, and the like, I'd say shadowbow fits all right
Also, it's rather common in english compared to most languages to just stick two words together.

Please bear with me and let's talk about this more Inkyuu sounds weird... I like the "kyuu" part but... Well, my hunter would have to be Undead to have such a name (Kageyumi would be fitting for a Night Elf, implying being stealthy as a shadow, or Undead, refering to the dark, shadowy nature of the undead). So, let's scrap the dark part for the hunter. My hunter will be an Orc, so think of something Orcish if possible (words with (G)s and (R)s and (K)s ).

I would have thought japanese wasn't guttural enough for orcs But still, here's something good:
Here are the different ways of writing simply "hunter" in japanese:

狩人 or 猟人 (hunt-person), pronounced "kariudo", "karyudo" or "karyuudo"
弋人 (the first character seems to have no meaning?? ) pronounced "yokujin"
猟師 (hunt-master) pronounced "ryuushi"

I think "kariudo" is rather good for an orc...

Keep in mind that the Hunter is in sync with nature, he can smell the opponent in the air, he can see a group of people 12 hours after they passed from a place just by looking at the ground after they've passed over it... A hunter loves his pet, which means he respects his prey and doesn't kill for fun. He might also be a skinner, to use the body of the fallen animal and in this way show his gratitude, show the spirit that it's life wasn't taken on a whim, that it was the need which guided the lethal arrow.

With all these possiblities, you can choose any japanese-sounding word, and I'll explain why it applies to an orc hunter

If you could think of a name for a cat type pet too (though I might choose something else, in which case I'll contact you, though if it's a scorpion I'll name it Sasori, hands down ).

Don't forget you can have three pets! "Tora" means tiger... "kuma" means bear... "kumo" means spider...

Shingo would mean so many things huh? Any place I can look at for meanings? You said that if we assume "shin" means "divine" that would lead us to someone feeling self-important, should I presume "go" means "self"? Also, should I presume, "Shin Akuma" is "True Akuma" unlike the cool-but-puzzling "Divine Akuma" I had in mind?

It was indeed "True Akuma", although in japanese is name has been "Gouki" all along, so he was "Shin Gouki".

So, Kagema sounds nice, but let us think of some more names... I'll include some more elements of the warlock nature I'd like you to think of: a sadomasochist (think "Life Tap" which makes him lose life and gain mana, and also "Hellfire" which is an AoE damaging him and others around him), corrupted to the bone, dark, vile, (master) demonologist, evil as hell, hellfire, shadowbolt, Infernal, Doom Guard, Curse of Doom, Curse of Agony...

Same as the orc hunter

Ratfox, I know you are a busy person, and if you think that's all kinda too much, I'll ask for permission to copy my posts here to a new thread in the translations section Should you wish to keep the discussion going here, I'll just tell you how much I appreciate your help and thank you for your time spent helping me

Well, I'm not sure how it would fit in the translation section we can keep it here, I don't mind...

 

[Leen]

Hi ratfox.

You like panda? Why?

Why the name ratfox??

Can you tell me something about your background? Like how many members are there in your family etc.?

 

[Anax]

Do you know of a place that I can put simple words like "shadow", "cat" etc. and get a result in hiragana, kanji, romaji (either all of the three or just romaji), for me to do my research and then be able to ask solid questions?

Yokujin sounds so damn good... Perhaps this one Orc was one of advanced bloodline (pun intented), thus receiving a more subtle name. Concering the relation of orcs and Japanese though, you should keep in mind that the Warcraft Orcs have the Blademasters with names like Genjuros (meaning?), though, yeah they have names such as "Grom Hellscream" too, which kinda makes little sense... Oh, well

Kagekiri also means "Shadow Mist"? I'll have to view this page from my home where I can actually view the Japanese, so that I pick the character I like most. On stretching things though I have to object In Tatsumakisenpuukyaku, you have two words for whirlwhind put together! If that isn't an over exaggeration then what is? You have words that mix Japanese with Chinese pronounciation and the such and you say we are the ones stretching things? No, we are creating art, which I'm sure the renowned artist Deidara would aprove of  Lastly on this, should Kagekiri also mean "Shadowmist" I might as well name my Cat Kagekiri, my Wolf Akamaru or {white}maru and my Scorpion, Sasori A bear would qualify for Kuma, though I'd hate it been assosiated with Tekken's Kuma... Well, I'll think about those... I don't have a hunter yet and I know nothing of pets, the rpg element is often enough of a reason for me (if not more) than dps and the like

Well, Kagema qualifies for a Warlock name (loved your explaination of the name). I might as well stick with that (we'll see).

Just made two characters with two names I don't know what they mean, just to save them in case they prove good. An elf Rogue in Ahn Qiraj named "Shii" (Shi = death, was taken) and an Undead Warlock in Genjuros, Shikage (death's shadow?). Please, analyze, explain, refine, fix them and tell me Kagema is still getting all the more irresistable... *proceeds in saving that one too*

As for Ironforge etc. and putting two words together. In Greek it often sounds hilarious making a compound word out of two words. Shadowblade is still two words in Greek (Σκιερή Λεπίδα/Skih-er-ee Leh-pih-thah [th, as in there]/shadowy blade or Λεπίδα Σκιάς/Leh-pih-thah Skih-as/Blade [made of] Shadow, try to make ii Σκιολεπίδα/Skih-oh-leh-pih-thah/Shadowblade, that is sounds SO hilarious I nearly pissed myself laughing... Where am I getting at? What it's like in Japanese? Do they often combine words as in "Shadowblade"?

Ok, that's all for now... THANK YOU!! I'll rep the hell out of you

 

[Gold Knight]

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Such a contrast of posts.

*Just commenting - and teasing.*

 

[ratfox]

You like panda? Why?

Hmmm... They're funny?
Actually, I just like the dancing panda gif very much

Why the name ratfox??

I got the name from HunterXhunter... Near the beginning, it's a kind of
monster which can change appearance at will. I didn't think too much about it, though.
It's just I needed a coolish name and this one fit

Can you tell me something about your background? Like how many members are there in your family etc.?

Hmm... I have a sister and two parents, but since I'm a grad student, I live in my own place now.
I've got a girlfriend, also a grad student, but she lives somewhere else, most of the time.

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Do you know of a place that I cane put simple words like "shadow", "cat" etc. and get a result in hiragana, kanji, romaji (either all of the three or just romaji), for me to do my research and then be able to ask solid questions?

There's a fantastic place for this: http://www.nihongoresources.com/
Basically, it's a japanese/english dictionary on the web, with lots of search features.
It uses the same standard free use dictionary I've got on my PDA.

Yokujin sounds so damn good... Perhaps this one Orc was one of advanced bloodline (pun intented), thus receiving a more subtle name.

There are at least trolls named Vol'jin, Sen'jin and the like, so Yokujin could probably fit, even for an orc...

Kagekiri also means shadow mist? I'll have to view this page from my home where I can actually view the japanese, so that I pick the character I like most. On stretching things though I have to object In Tatsumakisenpuukyaku, you have two words for whirlwhind put tigether! If that isn't an over exaggeration the what is?

Well, I guess they needed ryu and ken to shout a word with each hit, so the name had to be that long

Just made two characters with two names I don't know what they mean, just to save them in case they prove good. An elf Rogue in Ahn Qiraj named "Shii" (Shi = death, was taken) and an Undead Warlock in Genjuros, Shikage (death's shadow?). Please, analyze, explain, refine, fix them and tell me Kagema is still getting all the more irresistable... *proceeds in saving that one too*

Shii also has different meanings, like selfishness, thinking and surroundings
Shikage... Yes, death's shadow.

What it's like in Japanese? Do they often combine words as in "Shadowblade"?

All the time! 銀行 means bank and is actually silver-going, 音楽 means music and is actually sound-enjoy...
Most words are just two meanings sticking together. The weird part is that like in chinese, they often have
two words with the same meaning stuck together, so as not to have a single character. For instance,
蜘蛛 means spider, and both character mean spider. And even, you never meet them separately, always together!
So, to say spider, you need to say spider-spider

 

[Gold Knight]

How often do you get together with your girlfriend? I've been in long distance relationships and they can be pretty hard at times.

 

[ratfox]

How often do you get together with your girlfriend? I've been in long distance relationships and they can be pretty hard at times.

She doesn't live that far, we see each other every two weeks minimum for the whole week-end.
We also phone each other every day or so... For the moment it's all right.

In a way, it makes every time we meet special

 

[jiraiya001]

Hahaha! Kage Bushin solves all problems! Thanks for all your hard work! How do you go to japan so often? I hear it's expensive to fly to and to stay at. I want to go, but lack of funds ...

 

[Anax]

Once more, thank you for your time Ratfox, I really appreciate it.

So, let's take a short break from all that language stuff

Tell us: How would you feel if I were to tell you your alias (ratfox) and avatar (a dancing panda) influence my idea of you and in the long run, my mental image of you? The more I see this Panda the more I see you as a Panda-Rat-Fox entity that speaks in English but writes in Kanji!! Ok, I can't say I think in the most common of ways, but still, people just have to make some connection between your alias and your character, your avatar and your looks. Personally I don't feel like an anax (king) but it's what I'm usually called by close friends and has an usual sound for a modern Greek alias (the ending "x") too. As for the cat in my avatar let me tell you that the more I log into this site and see it, the more I relate to it and expect to see it in the mirror soon. That cat is so beautifull... I wouldn't mind becoming him (hopefully it's a "he").
Your turn!

@GK --> Where you comparing my post with Eileen's?

EDIT/ Shingo, Shii... I pick random words and they end up ending with something revovling around "self" and "selfishness"... Maybe there's a hidden meaning here for me to grasp

 

[Gold Knight]

Yep Anax XD I was just teasing ya guys.

Hey Ratfox, you doin' okay? =/

 

[HellbentTheGreatShinobi]

I hate to be a burden...Just a random question and I hope someone will answer me... What Japanese word to they use which means 'legacy' and 'son'? And which of the two did Kishimoto officially used in the manga? I'm not Japanese so please pardon me and thanks in advance...Err, I forgot the exact chapter but I'm sure it was way back when Itachi and Kisame came to Konoha to find Naruto.

 

[ratfox]

I hate to be a burden...Just a random question and I hope someone will answer me... What Japanese word to they use which means 'legacy' and 'son'? And which of the two did Kishimoto officially used in the manga? I'm not Japanese so please pardon me and thanks in advance...Err, I forgot the exact chapter but I'm sure it was way back when Itachi and Kisame came to Konoha to find Naruto.

Sorry about not answering sooner... The word they use is 遺産 ("isan"), which according to my dictionary,
means "inheritance, bequest". To be precise, the first of the two characters means "bequeath; leave behind;
reserve", and the second one means "products; bear; give birth; yield; childbirth; native; property".

There doesn't seem to be anything in this that would mean that Naruto is the son of the fourth. But,
one way or the other, It is a rather strange way to speak of somebody.

 

[HellbentTheGreatShinobi]

Thanks a lot ratfox!

 

[ratfox]

Okay, I put all my translations in the Naruto Drafts section...

I'm as astonished by the number of chapters I've translated as
by how the first translations were crappy

 

[Gold Knight]

Thanks, Ratfox! And lol... it's called improvement!

Had to start somewhere right?