Well, it is interesting that it is only one eye that is transformed but I don't think that means they are fusing... Rather I would argue that means fraudrin does not have quite as much control as he used to have.
Well, it is interesting that it is only one eye that is transformed but I don't think that means they are fusing... Rather I would argue that means fraudrin does not have quite as much control as he used to have.
Those eyes seem to appear when the user acts less "demonic" and more "human", if you will.
In Fraudrin's case, it may be just Dreyfus taking over.
In Estarossa's case, it was when he was killing the person he loved the most - Meliodas.
In Meliodas' case, he always keeps his demonic power shut down in order to deny his cold side or such.
Perhaps the less you use it, the more you lose control over it, which would explain why Meliodas is now weaker compared to his ruthless self.
Embrace thy mark.
Those eyes seem to appear when the user acts less "demonic" and more "human", if you will.
In Fraudrin's case, it may be just Dreyfus taking over.
In Estarossa's case, it was when he was killing the person he loved the most - Meliodas.
In Meliodas' case, he always keeps his demonic power shut down in order to deny his cold side or such.
Perhaps the less you use it, the more you lose control over it, which would explain why Meliodas is now weaker compared to his ruthless self.
Embrace thy mark.
But nothing in the chapter was about acting more human though... I mean, he mercilessly ripped out their souls and treated humans like cattle. I could understand it when Mel called out to Dreyfus a month ago and that stuff with the tear happened momentarily before Fraudrin regained control and shot Mel down but this is just weird.
But nothing in the chapter was about acting more human though... I mean, he mercilessly ripped out their souls and treated humans like cattle. I could understand it when Mel called out to Dreyfus a month ago and that stuff with the tear happened momentarily before Fraudrin regained control and shot Mel down but this is just weird.
Which is why I noted that Dreyfus may be taking over - Fraudrin did nothing humane and yet his eyes appeared to change. The body's literally becoming less demonic since Dreyfus is supposedly taking over.
It's not his body, unlike in Mel's and Estarossa's cases - in these two, feelings seem to trigger this change.
Well, it's not exactly the end of the event yet, but the submissions phase of it is now long over, and the final vote phase was late to start, so if it had started on schedule this would have been reopened today... Anyways, what I'm trying to say is, I feel like we'd benefit from having this thread open at this point, so I'm unlocking it a day early. Have fun. o/
Maybe liones is safe thanks to that cournucopia that have the gods incide and the gods dont try to kill mel in a bad way just a form to say thank to him for helping them seal all the other demonds
Merlin is the daughter of the Demon King and her mother is the leader and strongest member of the goddess clan. After when Merlin father left the goddess clan to become the Demon King her mother was worried Merlin would follow him. Few years after Merlin father became Demon King her mother saw how much she was interested the Demon clan power. Knowing how much Merlin idolises her father and how powerful Merlin was going to become began fearing she join her father. Decide to strip Merlin of her goddess power and kicked her out of the clan. After she was kicked out of the goddess clan by her mother she went and tried to join her father but wasn't interested knowing Merlin mother stole her power rejected her. After being rejected by both parents Merlin wanted vengeance. Merlin wanting vengeance against both her parents knowing how much it would piss them off made a spell. Merlin new spell she made was to make Meliodas and Apostle of the Goddess fall in love. After Meliodas left the demon clan and his fellow 2 commandments near death. Merlin then killed the 2 weakened to ignite the great Holy War between her mother and father which lead to their downfall. That's why Meliodas doesn't wanna make Merlin an enemy because he knows if you truly pissed Merlin this is what can happen to you.
Death Pierce is actually Denzel Liones' natural born son and cousin to Margaret and Veronica. However, due to Denzel prefering the life of a soldier he forsook any and all claims to the throne as a younger brother in case Bartra would die as well as for any offspring he had. To escape potential political schemes and maneuvers to put a male heir on the throne later, Denzel's son had to change his name and changed it to Death Pierce.
Merlin must be pretty old, since she knew Mel the longest. My theory is that she's actually naturally born pretty ugly, but she used magic to make herself look beautiful and she's maintaining her form and appearance like that.
She's basically Yennefer for those who are familiar with the Witcher series.
Merlin must be pretty old, since she knew Mel the longest. My theory is that she's actually naturally born pretty ugly, but she used magic to make herself look beautiful and she's maintaining her form and appearance like that.
She's basically Yennefer for those who are familiar with the Witcher series.
Which is why I noted that Dreyfus may be taking over - Fraudrin did nothing humane and yet his eyes appeared to change. The body's literally becoming less demonic since Dreyfus is supposedly taking over.
It's not his body, unlike in Mel's and Estarossa's cases - in these two, feelings seem to trigger this change.
Oh, that's how you meant it. Hmm... yeah... I wonder if it has to do with Fraudrin's realization that Zaratras hasn't come to haunt him yet, which gave Dreyfus more determination because he is sure now that his brother lives. Dreyfus' influence seems stronger whenever family is involved.
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I keep on thinking about Fraudrin. We know he is responsible for a shit-ton of bad stuff that's happened and still happens but his role and his origin really puzzle me. It's a mystery.
He is not one of the official Commandments, yet he holds a decree. Was he appointed by the Demon King? If so, then why was he the only one who was not sealed along with the rest - excepting the former demons who defected like Meliodas and Gowther. Was it possible for him to actually TAKE a vacant decree for himself? Did he actually defeat and kill the original Gowther, thus losing his clear memories of him for the most part, which then led to Gowther being rebuild in the image of a doll?
WHAT is Fraudrin, even? He is a filthy little up-start who has no rightful place among the Commandments, all things considered. The others greet him as a brother so they know him but how come he lived this long if he wasn't sealed with the other demons? Sure, body-swapping is easy for him but wouldn't his conciousness or his mist-form erode over time and die?
Why was he even in Danafor to begin with?? Why was he attacking the kingdom out of the blue and killing Liz personally?
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I am starting to think that the "loyal eye" the demon king referred to in the latest chapter could actually refer to Fraudrin. Maybe he is a direct agent sent by the demon king and holds part of his essence? Which would explain why both him and the demon king have this black foggy form to them. It could also explain why Fraudrin specifically targetet Danafor and Liz - he is the demon king's assassin who transcends time and always punishes the woman whom Meliodas fell in love with. He is also the demon clan's savety net because he ensures that even when sealed there is a chance to be freed again.
My theory that I am slowly forming in my head is, that Fraudrin is an aspect of the demon king himself, an assassin and spy that acts as his eyes and will, makes sure that the apostle of the godesses is killed and Meliodas never finds happiness in his cursed immortal state and when the chance presented itself to seize power and put a plan in motion that could free the goddess clan, Fraudrin went and did it.
I am not sure of how exactly you'd determine what commandment is or isn't more powerful to be honest. They are all rather arbitrary in how they work. Estarosa definitely has a dangerous ability in that it is easy to fall into but I would still think it is far less severe than the other commandments we have seen in a way. Galan's or merascylla's commandments definitely had more crippling curses after all.
As for galan, I would think that he was indeed the more capable warrior than merascylla. Merascylla specializes in manipulating souls and apparently darkness related spells. She didn't even fight bam while being juiced up by galan's strength. And going by PL alone it makes perfect sense that galan would have been one of the stronger commandments in general, 40kPL is nothing to scoff at even among the commandments. In that form he would have one sidely destroyed base mel (32k) which is quite something considering mel even overpowered dolor in that form. It would have been interesting to see how galan fared against a transformed meliodas.
In that form he would have one sidely destroyed base mel (32k) which is quite something considering mel even overpowered dolor in that form.It would have been interesting to see how galan fared against a transformed meliodas.
I don't think it's a fair and relevant comparison you're making here ! Dolor was severly weakened by Escanor's blast when Meliodas charged him ! There is no evidence that base Meliodas would have trashed Dolor if the later had his full HP !
Also, if Meliodas in his base form was already stronger than Dolor and Gloxinia, then his fear of facing the two of them simutaneously would be absolutely absurd and foolish !
I still believe that Dolor and Gloxinia are stronger than Galan ( minus Critical Over) and even with his magic i still think that they would give him a run for his money !
I estimate their PL in the range of 35-40k if not higher !
Dolor and Gloxinia have been made to look weak deliberately, be that because they were fighting Meliodas and conciously or subconciously held back against a former comrade or because Escanor hit them or because they hadn't eaten that many souls yet or all of the reasons combined and then some more.
Either way, Nakaba clearly intended to give them a round 2 so to speak where they will go all out. Gloxinia hasn't done his best if he hasn't shown most of his spear forms, Dolor hasn't danced.
It might be biased reasoning on my side but frankly I don't care, it's all the reasoning I need. They'll be back and kick ass and then hopefully them being underestimated will vanish, too.
I don't think it's a fair and relevant comparison you're making here ! Dolor was severly weakened by Escanor's blast when Meliodas charged him ! There is no evidence that base Meliodas would have trashed Dolor if the later had his full HP !
Also, if Meliodas in his base form was already stronger than Dolor and Gloxinia, then his fear of facing the two of them simutaneously would be absolutely absurd and foolish !
I still believe that Dolor and Gloxinia are stronger than Galan ( minus Critical Over) and even with his magic i still think that they would give him a run for his money !
I estimate their PL in the range of 35-40k if not higher !
Well, I do think dolor took some serious damage from the blast but I also doubt it severely hampered his overall strength. Consider galan for instance. He was literally cut in half by escanor and then went on to use critical over and continue fighting. Even red blood hendricksen had to take more than severe damage until he was impaired by it. With this in mind, there is very little evidence to suggest that dolor wouldn't have been overpowered by base mel anyways.
Galan's Pl is over 40k... the way the manga works it is extremely likely that dolor and gloxinia having less than that would immediately result in them getting schooled. Which is not to say dolor and gloxinia are weak, rather the point would be that galan was legitimately powerful. Overall, there is absolutely no doubt that galan would have trashed base mel at least.
I hope Nakba doesn't go the curse route with Merlin that plot lineshould be just for Meliodas. I do agree about her being a goddess well a fallen one anyway.
Well, I do think dolor took some serious damage from the blast but I also doubt it severely hampered his overall strength. Consider galan for instance. He was literally cut in half by escanor and then went on to use critical over and continue fighting. Even red blood hendricksen had to take more than severe damage until he was impaired by it. With this in mind, there is very little evidence to suggest that dolor wouldn't have been overpowered by base mel anyways.
Well ! there are major differencies between Dolor and Galan cases ! First of, Escanor's blast was a huge wave of destruction that was compared to Estarossa in magnitude and Gloxinia even said that he almost died from it, it wasn't just a little slash like what he did to Galan ! secondly, from their fight with Meliodas, Dolor and Gloxinia didn't prove having regeneration like pure demons or Red Demon Hendrickson ! They were solely relying on the Moon Rose for healing which is way slower than automatic regeneration taking the risk to have their guard wide open !
And i maintain that if base Mel was already stronger than Dolor, it would be beyond stupid to not face them 1 vs 2 since in his demon mode he would be so much far stronger than them that their numerical advantage wouldn't be relevant anymore !
kkck said:
Galan's Pl is over 40k... the way the manga works it is extremely likely that dolor and gloxinia having less than that would immediately result in them getting schooled. Which is not to say dolor and gloxinia are weak, rather the point would be that galan was legitimately powerful. Overall, there is absolutely no doubt that galan would have trashed base mel at least.
I agree ! but for now we don't know Dolor and Gloxi' PLs ! and by shounen logic, i think it's unlikely they will be weaker than Galan ! ( it would be anticlimactic to say the least)
