Discussion The Ten Commandments

[Rescorlian]

Not necessarily. We saw the commandments use the darkness thing to fly around and summon demons even when their power was virtually at 0. At least for the basic form of the darkness thing no magic is required. Perhaps it makes sense to consider the black mark as a limb which the demons can manipulate freely. And it wouldn't be weird that there are specific or more advanced darkness techniques which also require magic.

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The big question here, IMO, would be whether the demons could heal and recover from injuries while inside the seal. If they were in some form of stasis then it would make sense that they would awaken pretty much exactly as they were before being sealed safe for their magic because the seal itself erased it. With that logic then we could make the case that the demons before being sealed were perhaps at least not significantly injured or anything from battle. However this is a weird scenario. Anyways, the only way this could happen is that the commandments were lured somewhere, a trap, and they feel for it and where sealed. Its plausible there was some fighting but not serious enough so as to allow them to pretty much be at top physical condition after being sealed.

The alternative is that the seal allowed them to recover and they were caught after being defeated. They would have healed within the seal. However that is improbably because the seal itself seems to have preserved them for 3000 years.

Meliodas with all his wrath could not even kill fraudrin. The commandments at their full power are all likely to be difficult enemies for meliodas and the sins. Even gallan should be more of a threat once his magic recovers. Unless his magic was already full though that sounds unlikely.

Yeah this is the big deal. We have 2 options :
1) The demons were defeated, and they chose to seal them. They're able to regenerate in the seal.
--> Knowing they were defeated, they just could have killed them to secure peace. Makes much more sense. Also, being able to regenerate in the seal while not aging is kinda stupid.
2) The demons were too strong and got trapped in the seal.
--> Meaning they were too strong to be defeated. That would explain why Meliodas shitted his pants when they got released.

 

[Amplitude404]

Yeah this is the big deal. We have 2 options :
1) The demons were defeated, and they chose to seal them. They're able to regenerate in the seal.
--> Knowing they were defeated, they just could have killed them to secure peace. Makes much more sense. Also, being able to regenerate in the seal while not aging is kinda stupid.
2) The demons were too strong and got trapped in the seal.
--> Meaning they were too strong to be defeated. That would explain why Meliodas shitted his pants when they got released.

Except didn't the demons seal the vampires?
They probably could have killed them all, however they opted to seal them...
So maybe sealing people is a lot easier than even wasting the time to kill them...

 

[Gallon]

Except didn't the demons seal the vampires?
They probably could have killed them all, however they opted to seal them...
So maybe sealing people is a lot easier than even wasting the time to kill them...

That's unlikely. Zeldris refused to kill the vampires due to his love for Gelda, so he sealed them instead.
If another Commandment had been given this duty, the vampires would have been annihilated.

 

[Rescorlian]

^
Yeah, I agree entirely with Gallon. But you may have a point Amplitude, sealing is perhaps easier than killing

 

[dark123]

Not necessarily. We saw the commandments use the darkness thing to fly around and summon demons even when their power was virtually at 0. At least for the basic form of the darkness thing no magic is required. Perhaps it makes sense to consider the black mark as a limb which the demons can manipulate freely. And it wouldn't be weird that there are specific or more advanced darkness techniques which also require magic.

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The big question here, IMO, would be whether the demons could heal and recover from injuries while inside the seal. If they were in some form of stasis then it would make sense that they would awaken pretty much exactly as they were before being sealed safe for their magic because the seal itself erased it. With that logic then we could make the case that the demons before being sealed were perhaps at least not significantly injured or anything from battle. However this is a weird scenario. Anyways, the only way this could happen is that the commandments were lured somewhere, a trap, and they feel for it and where sealed. Its plausible there was some fighting but not serious enough so as to allow them to pretty much be at top physical condition after being sealed.

The alternative is that the seal allowed them to recover and they were caught after being defeated. They would have healed within the seal. However that is improbably because the seal itself seems to have preserved them for 3000 years.

Meliodas with all his wrath could not even kill fraudrin. The commandments at their full power are all likely to be difficult enemies for meliodas and the sins. Even gallan should be more of a threat once his magic recovers. Unless his magic was already full though that sounds unlikely.

You have a point here but we don't know whether his power which annihilated Danafor was his peak or not. Meliodas in the past never used his real power because he couldn't control it. If he can spam with this nukelike attacks constantly he will be invicible and what is more important is that that he just have started to leran how use his power. In fight with king he learnt how to concentrate his darkness in one point. Just imagine what kind of YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO attack can be created from concentration of his real power of darkness. He will be god of death nothing more nothing less and that is why Druids shit their pants.

 

[Kay3795]

Well we're not 100% he fought Zeldris 1 vs. 1, we just know he contributed of the Demon clan's sealing. I know he crushed Galan, but he wasn't expecting Meliodas to come back 100x stronger, by the time he got the 1st hit it was already too late for him since Meliodas clearly had the advantage. I'm sure if Galan was aware he wouldn't have been crushed this easily. I still doubt Meliodas was holding his power 3000 years ago because it was an enormous war. Maybe he used all his rage and the demon's were weaker enough to be sealed. I'm sure if they could have erased them they would have done it, so maybe they couldn't kill them.
Also Fraudrin survived Meliodas full power, so I'm quiet sure the best commandements can go toe-toe against Meliodas.

This is just assumptions. But I really think for the sake of the arc Nabaka is gonna show all of what Meliodas can do. Because if he doesn't that means there is no suspens in this arc, if the reader knows Meliodas can beat 10 commandements while holding back. I'm pretty sure Nabaka is gonna stick to the classic going all out + getting a power up in the next arc shonen technique

I don't think this is a manga were the MC would progressively get stronger via training as such - Naruto, Goku, Ichigo, Luffy, Yusuke etc - I think this is the type of manga were the MC already has most, if not all the power required to combat the mightiest foe.

Wrath has at least over 3000+ years of combat experience fighting demons of the highest calibre. What possible power-up could the guy required?

So far I think the author had painted a vivid illustration of Meliodas greatest challenge. To control his own Wrath. It's an emotional power-up I suppose.

 

[Gallon]

You have a point here but we don't know whether his power which annihilated Danafor was his peak or not. Meliodas in the past never used his real power because he couldn't control it. If he can spam with this nukelike attacks constantly he will be invicible and what is more important is that that he just have started to leran how use his power. In fight with king he learnt how to concentrate his darkness in one point. Just imagine what kind of YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO attack can be created from concentration of his real power of darkness. He will be god of death nothing more nothing less and that is why Druids shit their pants.

It'd be nice if Meliodas focused all of the darkness he used to blow Danafor up into a far smaller but far denser beam. Imagine all of that darkness concentrated into a beam with a radius no bigger than the one's he used on Galan.

 

[Rescorlian]

I have a little theory about Estarossa. Altough this has yet to be prove, I'mvAssuming he's the strongest commandement and the strongest character in the manga right now .
So in Eliasbeth's dream, we saw him with Goddess' symbols. If he's so strong, could have he been defeated by his own commandement, now that we know the power of the commandements can turn against their owners ?
I'm explaining myself : by wearing an other clan's symbols, he broke the "You should have no other God than me", cursing him and making him vulnerable to be sealed. (Assuming he has this specific commandement).

 

[Holt]

Well Estarossa must have been aware of the fact that their abilities can also work and then so it wouldn't make much sense. Also, it's not like only Estarossa was defeated. The entire demon clan was sealed up.

 

[kkck]

So... who do yo guys think will defeat each commandment? There are 10 of them and it does not seem like there are any obvious matchups so far. Here is what I am thinking so far:

Zeldris---> Meliodas
Fraudrin---> Hendricksen and the 3 misfits. Purge could actually save dreyfus. Though it would be weird if those 4 could defeat fraudrin.
Mospiet---> I am thinking either king or ban... Both are in love so its sort of kinda works IMO.
Derierie----> Diane
Estarosa---> Meliodas or multiple sins...
Galan---> Escanor. I want him to run into escanor once he gets his full power. A great way for escanor to finally appear and a great way for us to see galan's true power once his magic is fully back.
Merascylla----> Merlin. The girl can summon demons so she might work as a sort of soccerer for the group.
Giant demon----> Ban. No particular reason, it just looks like it would work.
Tentacle girl----> Hawk. Dunno. Could be? Maybe she is allergic to pigs. Or perhaps dragon pigs. Oddly specific but who cares.
Mask guy----> Gets eaten by hawks mom. Or gowther maybe.

 

[HereNThere]

I agree with your matchups for Zeldris, Fraudrin, and Merascylla, but I'm not sure about the rest. Especially because we have many folks on the Sins side who are training to assist them. We may have multiple fights where multiple characters fight one Commandment.

I think Monspiet and Derriere are going to go against both King and Diane, though. We'd probably get a confrontation on the philosophy of love with these four.

I also think Galan and Gowther are born to face off against each other. Arthur might get thrown in the mix as well so he can avenge Merlin and his Kingdom, that is, if he doesn't get his own fight.

I'm at a lost for the rest though.

 

[kkck]

Ahh, I forgot about arthur. Though I doubt he will face a commandment alone. He will probably do backup in any of the fights that eventually happens. Ultimately its not like he has a connection to any of the commandments... except for galan. Though arthur winning against him alone does seem like a stretch.

 

[Incognitop]

I think Escanor will fight the giant because the giant resembles vampire king Izraf. (They both have the same belt and pants)

 

[Livewire12]

Galan has to be the first, or at least one of the first to go.

He has the most development.

Meliodas already got revenge for the group thrashing they took earlier.

As long as he's alive Merlin remains useless(in combat), and can't get any stronger, so that development can't last too long or she will get left in the dust.

We're finally looking for Escanor now.

He's in love with her.

If he still is in love with her, there's no way he won't angry(especially day escanor), when he finds out she got turned in to stone.

Can't imagine day escanor compromising with Meliodas about going after any commandment other than galan, and Meliodas demonstrated that he can tell them apart when he felt monspiets aura and knew it was him immediately. Doubt Meliodas would refuse his request seeing as they intend to take them all out the order probably doesn't matter to him.

Meliodas more or less told the group escanor is more than strong enough to solo a commandment(especially while they are weakened)and that's why looking for him is a priority.

So yeah, I don't see how escanor marching off to kill galan won't happen after he sees merlin, and especially since Meliodas more or less said he's strong enough to.

 

[Holt]

Well yeah, it's confirmed Peak Escanor is enough to take on a commandment now (though that isn't exactly 'new' information). I'm curious, was it said that killing Galan would dispel the spell on Merlin? If not, I find it unlikely. The perfect cube for example is of demon origin and it was said that killing the caster would not dispel the technique. It's very likely that the commandments abilities cannot be dispelled simply by killing them.

 

[Livewire12]

Well yeah, it's confirmed Peak Escanor is enough to take on a commandment now (though that isn't exactly 'new' information). I'm curious, was it said that killing Galan would dispel the spell on Merlin? If not, I find it unlikely. The perfect cube for example is of demon origin and it was said that killing the caster would not dispel the technique. It's very likely that the commandments abilities cannot be dispelled simply by killing them.

It might, it might not.

Regardless of whether or not it heals her, you don't think day escanor would go after and dispose of galan first just because he hurt his precious Merlin?

 

[DDDDD5]

It might, it might not.

Regardless of whether or not it heals her, you don't think day escanor would go after and dispose of galan first just because he hurt his precious Merlin?

Can I say, how I really dislike that thinking. Merlin is not some damsel that needs to be avenged. Escanor's crush on Merlin is interesting but I hate how people keep using it as a vehicle for "Escanor can go and save Merlin and live happily ever after!" It leaves a really bad taste in mouth. It's the same reason I hated him coming in Camelot (Well, that and it just would have been a shitty time for him to come in general and would totally destroy the mood Nakaba was going for).

But anyway, seeing as Merlin has already said the goddesses are probably the only ones who could undo it, it's just foreshadowing there getting involved with everything.

 

[Livewire12]

Can I say, how I really dislike that thinking. Merlin is not some damsel that needs to be avenged. Escanor's crush on Merlin is interesting but I hate how people keep using it as a vehicle for "Escanor can go and save Merlin and live happily ever after!" It leaves a really bad taste in mouth. It's the same reason I hated him coming in Camelot (Well, that and it just would have been a shitty time for him to come in general and would totally destroy the mood Nakaba was going for).

But anyway, seeing as Merlin has already said the goddesses are probably the only ones who could undo it, it's just foreshadowing there getting involved with everything.

He likes her.

Galan hurt her.

It would most likely piss him off.

How is that not a logical reaction for him to be mad?

King got pissed when Gowther messed with Diane for no reason.
Meliodas gets pissed if anyone threatens Elizabeth's safety.
Ban would be pissed if anyone messed with Elaine.

It's a logical reaction to be angry if someone hurts someone you like.

Stop with the "Merlin is a strong independent woman!".

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[DDDDD5]

He likes her.

Galan hurt her.

It would most likely piss him off.

How is that not a logical reaction for him to be mad?

King got pissed when Gowther messed with Diane for no reason.
Meliodas gets pissed if anyone threatens Elizabeth's safety.
Ban would be pissed if anyone messed with Elaine.

It's a logical reaction to be angry if someone hurts someone you like.

Stop with your "Merlin is a strong independent woman!" crap.

It's not the reaction I'd have a problem with, it's the fans taking it as a given that Escanor should "avenge" Merlin. I'm aware it would piss him off but it seems weird to me that people keep going to "Escanor has to be the one to beat Galan because of what happened with Merlin" and not "Merlin should beat Galan as payback" assuming you buy into Merlin needed revenge more than anyone else there in the first place. That's the part I'm annoyed by not by people being angered by their loved ones being hurt.

So way to misinterpret my point.

 

[Livewire12]

It's not the reaction I'd have a problem with, it's the fans taking it as a given that Escanor should "avenge" Merlin. I'm aware it would piss him off but it seems weird to me that people keep going to "Escanor has to be the one to beat Galan because of what happened with Merlin" and not "Merlin should beat Galan as payback" assuming you buy into Merlin needed revenge more than anyone else there in the first place. That's the part I'm annoyed by not by people being angered by their loved ones being hurt.

So way to misinterpret my point.

You want to know why people say Escanor is going to be the one to beat Galan?

Which scenario is more likely, while they are currently in the process of looking for escanor?

1. They find him, he finds out what happened to Merlin, gets angry and subsequently makes killing galan a first priority because he hurt someone he likes, galan is his first proper fight in the series to showcase his power, and he kills him sometime in the near future.

Or

2. They find him, he's mad and won't decide to take action on her behalf while she's basically completely incapacitated and useless in combat situations, they are going to look for a way to free her while fighting commandments throughout there journey, eventually free her, and then we're going to have a mini arc focused on her training in order to specifically beat galan because she was unable to train this entire time, she eventually meets galan, and kills him.

Sorry but galan is not ongoing villian, or main villian material like fraudrin, estarossa, or zeldris, nor does he have the hype or importance of the last two. He's a prideful brute.

We don't have all manga to deal with him, nor does merlin herself even seem to particularly care that galan beat her. Nor did her defeat at his hands result in anything worth of note happening that would delay his death for so long. It's not like he killed her whole family and made her a orphan or something. He turned her into a rock. Hardly makes him her mortal enemy.

Escanor is already strong enough to kill him, he's had yet to have a proper fight, and he's not going to sit around and let galan roam free when he hurt merlin.

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