Discussion The Ten Commandments

[Demonspeed]

I think Fraudrin is done. He probably revealed the truth about Gowther because he knows Denzel and Pierce will kill him, telling them that the 10 Commandments are still safe to have the last laugh (he doesn't know about Mera and Galan's situation).

 

[gnut]

I think Fraudrin is done. He probably revealed the truth about Gowther because he knows Denzel and Pierce will kill him, telling them that the 10 Commandments are still safe to have the last laugh (he doesn't know about Mera and Galan's situation).

i would agree....but nakaba made it a point for fraudrin to state that"killing him is meaningless".
i think they will hold onto him just cause of the fact that dreyfus may be saved....

 

[Holt]

Can they actually kill him in fact? I mean, even Mel failed to kill him in his wrath even when the whole city got destroyed. I don't see Fraudrin dying this early or easily tbh

 

[gnut]

Can they actually kill him in fact? I mean, even Mel failed to kill him in his wrath even when the whole city got destroyed. I don't see Fraudrin dying this early or easily tbh

i'm sure denzel may have a way seeing how they trapped fraudrin....but he seems to respect dreyfus so i don't see him killing fraudrin(atleast unless he has to).

but you maybe right as far as extinguishing fraudrin outside of dreyfus' body

 

[Holt]

i'm sure denzel may have a way seeing how they trapped fraudrin....but he seems to respect dreyfus so i don't see him killing fraudrin(atleast unless he has to).

but you maybe right as far as extinguishing fraudrin outside of dreyfus' body

I don't really think Denzel would have qualms about killin Dreyfus. He'd probably be like 'it's regrettable but it has to be done'. He is not the kind of person to use such sentiments and he even said earlier that he knows Dreyfus would approve when Fraudrin asked if he shouldn't be worried about hurting his friend's body. The question is if they'd be able to really kill Fraudrin. They might leave thinking they've killed him when they really didn't.

 

[gnut]

I don't really think Denzel would have qualms about killin Dreyfus. He'd probably be like 'it's regrettable but it has to be done'. He is not the kind of person to use such sentiments and he even said earlier that he knows Dreyfus would approve when Fraudrin asked if he shouldn't be worried about hurting his friend's body. The question is if they'd be able to really kill Fraudrin. They might leave thinking they've killed him when they really didn't.

fair enough....but since they already have him....
i think he would be more benefit alive than dead at this point....intel/dreyfus body and letting mel get his hands on him would be so
yeah....it should be mel who kills his ass

 

[kkck]

I don't think we can rule out fraudrin getting himself out of this. He has the ability to take over and control people, it is entirely possible he can still take over denzel or deathpierce. It does seem like there are specific circumstances under which he can do this though.

As far as killing fraudrin, I'd say they can do it. He does not seem to have exhibited significant power yet. And as durable as demons are there are limits to this. Odds are he can die by getting stabbed in the head, as galan tried on mel.

 

[gnut]

I don't think we can rule out fraudrin getting himself out of this. He has the ability to take over and control people, it is entirely possible he can still take over denzel or deathpierce. It does seem like there are specific circumstances under which he can do this though.

As far as killing fraudrin, I'd say they can do it. He does not seem to have exhibited significant power yet. And as durable as demons are there are limits to this. Odds are he can die by getting stabbed in the head, as galan tried on mel.

yup....mera couldn't eat sunlight
denzel may have some escasnorish techs he created(making usage of the sun's power that is)...

 

[Holt]

I don't think we can rule out fraudrin getting himself out of this. He has the ability to take over and control people, it is entirely possible he can still take over denzel or deathpierce. It does seem like there are specific circumstances under which he can do this though.

As far as killing fraudrin, I'd say they can do it. He does not seem to have exhibited significant power yet. And as durable as demons are there are limits to this. Odds are he can die by getting stabbed in the head, as galan tried on mel.

Well yes, the demons would certainly have a limit, however, would Denzel and co know enough to get it right? First, they might not even realize that Fraudrin isn't that easy to kill. They could strike him and he'd pretend to be dead then take over the next available person the instant their guard is down. I mean, yes they've been practicing and preparing to fight the demons for years but their actual experience would be rather limited. This is probably their very first time going up against one and Fraudrin could take advantage of that lack of experience. Mel could have probably killed Fraudrin if he knew the latter didn't actually die but it turned out that way because Mel didn't know. Same could and most likely would happen here imo.
Galan going for the head might indicate that suffices normally but it still boils down to experience/knowledge. He knows that while Denzel and co probably don't.

 

[ShadowHeart]

I think Fraudrin is done. He probably revealed the truth about Gowther because he knows Denzel and Pierce will kill him, telling them that the 10 Commandments are still safe to have the last laugh (he doesn't know about Mera and Galan's situation).

I don't think he is done that's Hendy and the 3 misfits job to take him out. There's a reason Hendy was shown to have purge it's to drive Fraudin out of Dreyfus.

 

[oxtopus]

Decrees of the ten commandments.

1. Galan the Truth
Commandment : Thou shall not bear false witness {Must not lie}
Violation = Instant Petrification

2. Merascylla of Faith
Commandment : Thou shall have no other gods before me {Must have faith}
Violation = Burning of eyes

3. Gowther/Fraudrin the Selfless
Commandment: Thou shall not covet {Must not have selfish desire/be greedy}
Violation = Loss of memories,emotions,sense of self.

4. GreyLord of Non-Killing
Commandment: Thou shall not kill {Must not kill or murder <still unclear>}
Violation = ???

5. Octololi (real name=Gloxinia) of Commitment/Sacredness
Commandment: Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy {Must be fully committed or devoted)
Violation = ???
I think this commandment will be useful in the upcoming vaizel fighting festival,nobody can back out after entering the tournament or will fall prey to the decree.

6. Dolor the Modest/Humble
Commandment: Thou shall not take the name of the lord your god in vain {Must not be excessively proud or self conceited}
Violation = ???

or

Dolor of Glorification/Sanctification/Adoration
Commandment: Thou shall not take the name of the lord your god in vain {Must not profane or desecrate}
Violation = ???

7. Monspiet the Virtuous/Monspiet of Non Stealing
Commandment: Thou shall not steal {Must not steal}
Violation = ???

8. Derriere the Chaste
Commandment : Thou shall not commit adultery {Must be morally pure}
Violation = ???

9. Zeldris of Honour/Reverence
Commandment : Honour thy father and thy mother {Must be respectful and obedient}
Violation : ???
This just has to be zeldris commandment,considering that he is the leader of the commandments and they seem to obey and respect his commands when he isn't the oldest or strongest and galan telling him forgetfulness of the elderly is a terrible thing might have been a big hint.

10. Estarossa of ???
Commandment : Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image {Must not idolize or commit idolatry}
Violation = (What happened to the bird on his shoulder)
I'm guessing this is estarossa commandment because an idol is like a representation of God or is something divine,majestic,something greatly adored,a false god if you may say. SO i'm thinking that estarossa must be godly in a way,and his decree is that if you idolize /worship him/excessively adore him you will be affected by his decree.

Why I think so is because of the birds that were on him when he was first shown,might be because of his majestic/divine aura that the birds were attracted to him,and what happened to that bird in chapter 136 might be his decree,if you look at the picture very well,when the bird landed on his shoulder it looked as if he was looking at estarossa face with awe and then bowed to him which might have been a violation of his decree causing what happened to the bird in the next page.

Edit : Or his decree could have something to do with looking him directly in the eye or face which may or may not force you to bow to him.

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So what do you think???

 

[Gallon]

Merged the "Decrees of the TC" thread with the general one regarding the Ten Commandments.

 

[Rescorlian]

Re: Decrees of the ten commandments.

1. Galan the Truth
Commandment : Thou shall not bear false witness {Must not lie}
Violation = Instant Petrification

2. Merascylla of Faith
Commandment : Thou shall have no other gods before me {Must have faith}
Violation = Burning of eyes

3. Gowther/Fraudrin the Selfless
Commandment: Thou shall not covet {Must not have selfish desire/be greedy}
Violation = Loss of memories,emotions,sense of self.

4. GreyLord of Non-Killing
Commandment: Thou shall not kill {Must not kill or murder <still unclear>}
Violation = ???

5. Octololi (real name=???) of Commitment/Sacredness
Commandment: Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy {Must be fully committed or devoted)
Violation = ???
I think this commandment will be useful in the upcoming vaizel fighting festival,nobody can back out after entering the tournament or will fall prey to the decree.

6. Dolor the Modest/Humble
Commandment: Thou shall not take the name of the lord your god in vain {Must not be excessively proud or self conceited}
Violation = ???

or

Dolor of Glorification/Sanctification/Adoration
Commandment: Thou shall not take the name of the lord your god in vain {Must not profane or desecrate}
Violation = ???

7. Monspiet the Virtuous/Monspiet of Non Stealing
Commandment: Thou shall not steal {Must not steal}
Violation = ???

8. Derriere the Chaste
Commandment : Thou shall not commit adultery {Must be morally pure}
Violation = ???

9. Zeldris of Honour/Reverence
Commandment : Honour thy father and thy mother {Must be respectful and obedient}
Violation : ???
This just has to be zeldris commandment,considering that he is the leader of the commandments and they seem to obey and respect his commands when he isn't the oldest or strongest and galan telling him forgetfulness of the elderly is a terrible thing might have been a big hint.

10. Estarossa of ???
Commandment : Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image {Must not idolize or commit idolatry}
Violation = (What happened to the bird on his shoulder)
I'm guessing this is estarossa commandment because an idol is like a representation of God or is something divine,majestic,something greatly adored,a false god if you may say. SO i'm thinking that estarossa must be godly in a way,and his decree is that if you idolize /worship him/excessively adore him you will be affected by his decree.

Why I think so is because of the birds that were on him when he was first shown,might be because of his majestic/divine aura that the birds were attracted to him,and what happened to that bird in chapter 136 might be his decree,if you look at the picture very well,when the bird landed on his shoulder it looked as if he was looking at estarossa face with awe and then bowed to him which might have been a violation of his decree causing what happened to the bird in the next page.

Edit : Or his decree could have something to do with looking him directly in the eye or face which may or may not force you to bow to him.

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So what do you think???

I really like what you came up with, nice job !

 

[TarXan]

Yo that Estarossa and Zeldris theory could work, and that interaction with Galan does make sense. That's why they follow his orders, and what do you mean Estarossa is godly ? Like strength wise or he emits god like energy ?

 

[kkck]

I could see zeldris as an opposite to meliodas. So if meliodas is the sin of wrath then it makes sense that zeldris would be the commandment of temperance. However it is kinda hard to imagine how zeldris would work as a military leader if he has to act with temperance at all times. Does he have to say "Sorry bro, it's not personal" every time he slaughters his enemies? Literally getting angry can cause him to be subjected to his decree.

 

[oxtopus]

Yo that Estarossa and Zeldris theory could work, and that interaction with Galan does make sense. That's why they follow his orders, and what do you mean Estarossa is godly ? Like strength wise or he emits god like energy ?

I meant in power or aura,it could be and I suggested that eye thing because since he's been shown his eyes was always closed and the only time he looked at something face to face was when he looked at that bird on his shoulder and we all know what happened to it after that.

 

[TarXan]

I meant in power or aura,it could be and I suggested that eye thing because since he's been shown his eyes was always closed and the only time he looked at something face to face was when he looked at that bird on his shoulder and we all know what happened to it after that.

I'm impressed, wouldn't be surprised if your theory was true. If that's the case with Estarossa wouldn't that make him impossible to defeat ?

 

[oxtopus]

I'm impressed, wouldn't be surprised if your theory was true. If that's the case with Estarossa wouldn't that make him impossible to defeat ?

If it's the face thing,they'll just have to fight him without looking at him,if it's the other,there might still be a chance to beat him with the combined effort of the seven sins.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

The bird bowed to Estarossa, so I'm inclined to think he represents "Thou shalt have no other gods before me".The bird bowing can be seen as idolatry so it fits, and as soon he did that he got blown up. Assuming this is really Estarossa's commandment, and not just some ability he has since it closely ressembles what happened to the new generation when they drank demon blood, but weren't able to withstand it. I don't think it has much to do with looking Estarossa directly in the eye, it's the bird bowing to someone else other than "god" that made him suffer the effects of the commandment.

The real question is why did the bird bow in the first place? Perhaps there's more to Estarossa than we might think.My crazy theory is that he's related to the demon king.His son to be more specific.
And his birthday is also hidden.Nakaba revealed Mel's and Zeldris but not Estarossa, so maybe he's hiding it from us because it can be seen as a spoiler. Either he and Mel share the same birthday, and they're really twins(Mel and Zeldris don't share the same birthday)
...or Estarossa and Mel share the same existence. I think that would be more interesting than them being brothers.

 

[Holt]

I don't remember it clearly but why would the bird bow to Estarossa? Furthermore, assuming he possesses the decree of having no other god, then doesn't that imply he is the 'god'? The decrees work when the specific demon commandment is present. If someone lied to another commandment, they wouldn't get petrified if galan wasn't present. Assuming Estarossa is the god and the bird did bow, that would be a sign of acknowledgement of said god so why would the bird get blown up as punishment? Even if the god referred to the demon king and Estarossa was his son, it shouldn't be seen as worshipped or bowing to another god...

Imo, I don't think the decrees will strictly follow the Biblical commandments as it would quite difficult to apply all of them in a sensible manner