Hangout Tournament Hangout Thread

[Nemispelled]

Well yeah, but being cocky and overconfident is just another form of PiS, right? Not saying Eileen isnt retarded, but all that retardation came from the bs plot, we've seen how dangerous Eileen can actually be if she actually puts the effort in.

I won't dispute on the PiS part. But that doesn't make my impression of Irene any better.

Almost all the Spriggans, including some Ishgar mages, also experienced some form of PiS that hindered them. And I don't see them getting the same lenient treatment that Irene is getting.



Irene being dangerous is arguable. As a dragon, I can understand that she has some advantages on her side, but even so, nothing is out of the ordinary.

Her best offensive feat is Deus Sema, which is just an overhyped copy of Jellal's magic. That meteor was destroyed by Erza, so there's no way it can be a top-tier spell.

Her claw swipe is the best physical feat, but that alone wouldn't really help much in an overall battle.. let alone give her the automatic victory..

Dragon Irene's durability is probably the best thing she has going for her. Non-Dragon Slayers are definitely inferior, I won't deny that.

But any dragon slayer in the manga should have minimal difficulty reverting her back to a human.



I still believe that Irene has made it farther than she deserved.

The fact that she has made it through 7 or 8 dragon slayers in this tournament so far is kind of ridiculous, in my opinion.

I find it hard to believe that current dragon slayers like Gajeel and God Serena would lose to a GMG-tier dragon who can easily be reverted back to a human.

That's why I think that Irene has advanced too far.

If Gajeel and God Serena can negate Irene's dragon form, then I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be able to beat Human Irene.

 

[Seven777]

I won't dispute on the PiS part. But that doesn't make my impression of Irene any better.

Almost all the Spriggans, including some Ishgar mages, also experienced some form of PiS that hindered them. And I don't see them getting the same lenient treatment that Irene is getting.



Irene being dangerous is arguable. As a dragon, I can understand that she has some advantages on her side, but even so, nothing is out of the ordinary.

Her best offensive feat is Deus Sema, which is just an overhyped copy of Jellal's magic. That meteor was destroyed by Erza, so there's no way it can be a top-tier spell.

Her claw swipe is the best physical feat, but that alone wouldn't really help much in an overall battle.. let alone give her the automatic victory..

Dragon Irene's durability is probably the best thing she has going for her. Non-Dragon Slayers are definitely inferior, I won't deny that.

But any dragon slayer in the manga should have minimal difficulty reverting her back to a human.



I still believe that Irene has made it farther than she deserved.

The fact that she has made it through 7 or 8 dragon slayers in this tournament so far is kind of ridiculous, in my opinion.

I find it hard to believe that current dragon slayers like Gajeel and God Serena would lose to a GMG-tier dragon who can easily be reverted back to a human.

That's why I think that Irene has advanced too far.

If Gajeel and God Serena can negate Irene's dragon form, then I don't see a reason why they wouldn't be able to beat Human Irene.

Erza's durability isnt exactly exceptional, but it isnt weak either, breaking her bones with one swipe should let Eileen do the same to everyone in this tournament bar Zeref and August in under 3 hits..
Deus Sema never got to touch the ground, Erza acknowledged it'd kill her if it did, thats why she jumped and sliced it out of the air. This confirms the massive blast wave Deus Sema creates

Spoiler: Probably a bigger version of this

is far more powerful than the meteor itself.

Tbh Eileen reverting to human form seems like PiS too, she is a dragon, not a human. There is no good reason a DS slash would force her into her human form. I'd agree with Gajeel beating her, if it wasnt for the fact that she can fly, nothing Gajeel and most Dragon Slayers can do about it, DS magic has few decent ranged spells, and hitting her with any of them when she is that high up in the sky is unlikely.

 

[Nemispelled]

Erza's durability isnt exactly exceptional, but it isnt weak either, breaking her bones with one swipe should let Eileen do the same to everyone in this tournament bar Zeref and August in under 3 hits..
Deus Sema never got to touch the ground, Erza acknowledged it'd kill her if it did, thats why she jumped and sliced it out of the air. This confirms the massive blast wave Deus Sema creates

Spoiler: Probably a bigger version of this

is far more powerful than the meteor itself.

Tbh Eileen reverting to human form seems like PiS too, she is a dragon, not a human. There is no good reason a DS slash would force her into her human form. I'd agree with Gajeel beating her, if it wasnt for the fact that she can fly, nothing Gajeel and most Dragon Slayers can do about it, DS magic has few decent ranged spells, and hitting her with any of them when she is that high up in the sky is unlikely.

Sure, the claw swipe is formidable, but most people with decent speed can dodge it. Especially a dragon slayer like Gajeel since he can transform into a shadow.

The meteor might cause some trouble if it hits the ground, but just like Erza, anybody can destroy it while it is in mid-air. It shouldn't hard to achieve the same feat that Erza accomplished considering she had 95% of her bones broken while she destroyed the meteor.


Irene flying wouldn't make much of a difference here, in my honest opinion.

I admit, this is kind of stretching it, but Gajeel can also "fly" or levitate in the air by using his shadow form:

Spoiler: Gajeel's shadow form

Irene's flying ability didn't seem to be a major game-changer in her fight against Wendy + Erza. Even if Irene can prolong the fight by flying, she still lacks the means to defeat somebody on Gajeel's caliber.

Human Irene's durability isn't even that great either.. since she was easily damaged by people like Erza and Wendy.


Gajeel has more than enough roars and dragon slaying secret arts to take Irene down.

Something like this should eventually hit Irene, regardless if she's in the air or on the ground:

Spoiler: Gajeel's Dragon Roar

Anyways, I didn't see how Irene beat Gajeel in their match-up.

Their performances were polar opposites. One did reasonably well and the other messed up a lot.

 

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It's really, really unfortunate that we never got to see more of what else August, Irene, and Zeref can do with their full power... Given their lackluster performance and the overall lack of decisive evidence, are we better off underestimating or overestimating their capabilities?

 

[Seven777]

Sure, the claw swipe is formidable, but most people with decent speed can dodge it. Especially a dragon slayer like Gajeel since he can transform into a shadow.

The meteor might cause some trouble if it hits the ground, but just like Erza, anybody can destroy it while it is in mid-air. It shouldn't hard to achieve the same feat that Erza accomplished considering she had 95% of her bones broken while she destroyed the meteor.


Irene flying wouldn't make much of a difference here, in my honest opinion.

I admit, this is kind of stretching it, but Gajeel can also "fly" or levitate in the air by using his shadow form:

Spoiler: Gajeel's shadow form

Irene's flying ability didn't seem to be a major game-changer in her fight against Wendy + Erza. Even if Irene can prolong the fight by flying, she still lacks the means to defeat somebody on Gajeel's caliber.

Human Irene's durability isn't even that great either.. since she was easily damaged by people like Erza and Wendy.


Gajeel has more than enough roars and dragon slaying secret arts to take Irene down.

Something like this should eventually hit Irene, regardless if she's in the air or on the ground:

Spoiler: Gajeel's Dragon Roar

Anyways, I didn't see how Irene beat Gajeel in their match-up.

Their performances were polar opposites. One did reasonably well and the other messed up a lot.

PiS is the only reason Eileen just stared at Erza with her mouth open while she was trying to slice the meteor, instead of just roaring her outa the sky.

Gajeel was in water when he did that, it was more like swimming than flying.

If Eileen is high enough in the air any attack should be easily dodge-able. Eileen's breath attacks cause massive explosions, Deus Sema covers the whole battlefield and she has the MP pool to continue shooting nukes like that far longer than any DS in this tournament. Being in the air while nuking the area would leave her nearly untouchable.

Damaged by Erza and Wendy, but not severely, she tanked an enchanted Erza slash to the face without flinching and even with DS advantage Erza still couldnt deal enough damage to ultimately defeat her.

 

[Nemispelled]

PiS is the only reason Eileen just stared at Erza with her mouth open while she was trying to slice the meteor, instead of just roaring her outa the sky.

Gajeel was in water when he did that, it was more like swimming than flying.

If Eileen is high enough in the air any attack should be easily dodge-able. Eileen's breath attacks cause massive explosions, Deus Sema covers the whole battlefield and she has the MP pool to continue shooting nukes like that far longer than any DS in this tournament. Being in the air while nuking the area would leave her nearly untouchable.

Damaged by Erza and Wendy, but not severely, she tanked an enchanted Erza slash to the face without flinching and even with DS advantage Erza still couldnt deal enough damage to ultimately defeat her.

The point of PiS is pretty irrelevant though. Almost every Spriggan was hindered by that, yet none of them are receiving that excuse in this tournament.

• If it weren't for PiS, Dimaria could kill almost everybody in this tournament except for maybe August. In the manga, she had many chances to instantly kill Natsu, Lucy, Brandish, and Kagura.

• If it weren't for PiS, Invel could insta-freeze and kill almost everybody in this tournament except for Gray. In the manga, he had the opportunity to kill people like Natsu, Lucy, and Juvia after he insta-froze them.

• If it weren't for PiS, Bloodman could have used Memento Mori and kill everybody in the Northern Front. Then he could just go around and spam Memento Mori until everybody is dead.

• If it weren't for PiS, Jacob could have walked around everywhere and clap his hands rapidly while keeping his eyes closed. Not only could he single-handedly massacre everybody in Ishgar, but could set an all-time record of the number of oneshots in the least amount of time.

• If it weren't for PiS, Neinhart could have resurrected Igneel to launch massive explosions and flames on Ishgar's forces. He could practically have total control of the "Dragon King" himself.

This list can go on forever, when are we going to stop?

So why do I see only people defending Irene about PiS when almost all the other members of the Spriggan 12 are being hindered by the same thing?

Nobody ever argued on Dimaria, Invel, Bloodman, Jacob, and Neinhart's behalf... If we disregard PiS situations, all those Spriggans should be advancing to the finals already.

The fact that everybody ignored PiS for those Spriggans is why I keep saying that Irene is receiving special treatment.

We are being unfair to all the other Spriggans who actually earned their feats and spots in this tournament.

 

[Seven777]

The point of PiS is pretty irrelevant though. Almost every Spriggan was hindered by that, yet none of them are receiving that excuse in this tournament.

• If it weren't for PiS, Dimaria could kill almost everybody in this tournament except for maybe August. In the manga, she had many chances to instantly kill Natsu, Lucy, Brandish, and Kagura.

• If it weren't for PiS, Invel could insta-freeze and kill almost everybody in this tournament except for Gray. In the manga, he had the opportunity to kill people like Natsu, Lucy, and Juvia after he insta-froze them.

• If it weren't for PiS, Bloodman could have used Memento Mori and kill everybody in the Northern Front. Then he could just go around and spam Memento Mori until everybody is dead.

• If it weren't for PiS, Jacob could have walked around everywhere and clap his hands rapidly while keeping his eyes closed. Not only could he single-handedly massacre everybody in Ishgar, but could set an all-time record of the number of oneshots in the least amount of time.

• If it weren't for PiS, Neinhart could have resurrected Igneel to launch massive explosions and flames on Ishgar's forces. He could practically have total control of the "Dragon King" himself.

This list can go on forever, when are we going to stop?

So why do I see only people defending Irene about PiS when almost all the other members of the Spriggan 12 are being hindered by the same thing?

Nobody ever argued on Dimaria, Invel, Bloodman, Jacob, and Neinhart's behalf... If we disregard PiS situations, all those Spriggans should be advancing to the finals already.

The fact that everybody ignored PiS for those Spriggans is why I keep saying that Irene is receiving special treatment.

We are being unfair to all the other Spriggans who actually earned their feats and spots in this tournament.

Its simple, Eileen without PiS>>>Invel/Dimaria/Jacob/Neinhart/Bloodman without PiS. There is no point arguing for those 5 spriggans because even without PiS they would still lose to the people they've faced in this tournament. Eileen power was hindered far more than anyone here, thats why its worth arguing about how PiS affected her.

Dimaria made it this far with her instakill abilities, i dont see what you have to complain about with her. But now she's done and dusted, cant beat Eileen.
Invel got kicked by Zeref, the immortal, plenty of people argued without PiS that Invel mightve taken Zeref down, but even without PiS he's low tier imo.
We dont even know if Bloodman has Memento Mori, it was Mard's hand-crafted curse, plus we dont know how powerful it is.
Jacob without PiS is still easily countered by anyone with Happy tier speed and high AoE.
Neinhart couldnt even summon a spriggan properly, even attempting to summon Igneel would probably kill him.

 

[Nemispelled]

Its simple, Eileen without PiS>>>Invel/Dimaria/Jacob/Neinhart/Bloodman without PiS. There is no point arguing for those 5 spriggans because even without PiS they would still lose to the people they've faced in this tournament. Eileen power was hindered far more than anyone here, thats why its worth arguing about how PiS affected her.

Dimaria made it this far with her instakill abilities, i dont see what you have to complain about with her. But now she's done and dusted, cant beat Eileen.
Invel got kicked by Zeref, the immortal, plenty of people argued without PiS that Invel mightve taken Zeref down, but even without PiS he's low tier imo.
We dont even know if Bloodman has Memento Mori, it was Mard's hand-crafted curse, plus we dont know how powerful it is.
Jacob without PiS is still easily countered by anyone with Happy tier speed and high AoE.
Neinhart couldnt even summon a spriggan properly, even attempting to summon Igneel would probably kill him.

I actually disagree.

Irene without PiS is still drastically inferior to Dimaria, Invel, and Jacob without PiS.

I don't see what Irene has that can counter Age Seal, Insta-Freeze/Raiment, and Clap Assassination...



It was PiS that Dimaria did not kill anybody with Age Seal. She should have been able to oneshot Natsu (top-tier character), Brandish (Spriggan), Lucy, and Kagura. That's no small feat.

Invel should have killed Natsu, Lucy, and Juvia the moment he froze them. Again, that would be killing a top-tier character and 2 average FT mages. Without Gray in the way, Invel would have won his battle.

And Jacob being stopped by Happy tier speed was plain PiS... If the dude wanted, he could have oneshotted the whole FT guild after he clapped them to another dimension. His "Virgin" eyes was another big PiS example...



What can Irene do if Jacob claps his hands or Dimaria freezes time? And if Irene gets insta-frozen and hit by Invel's Raiment Divine Ice, then how does she break out?

Irene's feats are sub-par to the likes of Dimaria, Jacob, and Invel when you exclude PiS.



It's the stupid hype that gives Irene the excuse to receive lenient treatment. Mashima's words aren't everything, especially since he admitted that he changes them on the spot.

The way I see it, Jacob and Dimaria can oneshot Irene if they just "clap their hands" or "click their teeth" the moment the battle starts..

 

[Seven777]

I actually disagree.

Irene without PiS is still drastically inferior to Dimaria, Invel, and Jacob without PiS.

I don't see what Irene has that can counter Age Seal, Insta-Freeze/Raiment, and Clap Assassination...



It was PiS that Dimaria did not kill anybody with Age Seal. She should have been able to oneshot Natsu (top-tier character), Brandish (Spriggan), Lucy, and Kagura. That's no small feat.

Invel should have killed Natsu, Lucy, and Juvia the moment he froze them. Again, that would be killing a top-tier character and 2 average FT mages. Without Gray in the way, Invel would have won his battle.

And Jacob being stopped by Happy tier speed was plain PiS... If the dude wanted, he could have oneshotted the whole FT guild after he clapped them to another dimension. His "Virgin" eyes was another big PiS example...



What can Irene do if Jacob claps his hands or Dimaria freezes time? And if Irene gets insta-frozen and hit by Invel's Raiment Divine Ice, then how does she break out?

Irene's feats are sub-par to the likes of Dimaria, Jacob, and Invel when you exclude PiS.



It's the stupid hype that gives Irene the excuse to receive lenient treatment. Mashima's words aren't everything, especially since he admitted that he changes them on the spot.

The way I see it, Jacob and Dimaria can oneshot Irene if they just "clap their hands" or "click their teeth" the moment the battle starts..

You're kidding, Eileen is leagues above all of them, and thats in human form, in dragon form she stomps them as hard as August does, she in an entirely different realm.

It wasnt PiS that Dimaria didnt kill anyone with Age Seal, it was just Ultear countering her. With or without Age Seal she could have easily killed the unconscious Natsu.
Invel had no way of killing Natsu with Gray there, not that he has the offense to put him down anyway. So again its not PiS, plius insta-freeze was a surprise attack, we've seen Natsu can effortlessly unfreeze himself and those around him in an instant.
Sure, Jacob was affected by PiS, but without it he is still easily dealt with by most people. Fact is that he tried to cast Transport, but wasnt fast enough.

Eileen is immune to all that low tier crap. She enchanted Neinhart with enough power to be immune to a spriggan's hax, so by default as the giver of said power she is also immune.
So to answer your question, nothing. Eileen doesnt do anything when Dimaria freezes time or Jacob claps his hands or Invel pulls out his Ice Armor, weak-sauce like that arent even a threat to human Eileen.

Eileen's feats outclass every spriggan's bar August by a mile.
What are Dimaria's feats? Stripping Kagura? Getting stomped by END?
Jacob's feats? Transporting the guild with a surprise attack? Getting his ass handed to him by a trashed Mirajane?
Invel's feats? Getting the shit beaten out of him by base Gray?
None of that is anywhere close to Eileen feats.
Breaking Erza's bones with one claw swipe shits on anything any of them have done.

 

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You're kidding, Eileen is leagues above all of them, and thats in human form, in dragon form she stomps them as hard as August does, she in an entirely different realm.

It wasnt PiS that Dimaria didnt kill anyone with Age Seal, it was just Ultear countering her. With or without Age Seal she could have easily killed the unconscious Natsu.
Invel had no way of killing Natsu with Gray there, not that he has the offense to put him down anyway. So again its not PiS, plius insta-freeze was a surprise attack, we've seen Natsu can effortlessly unfreeze himself and those around him in an instant.
Sure, Jacob was affected by PiS, but without it he is still easily dealt with by most people. Fact is that he tried to cast Transport, but wasnt fast enough.

Eileen is immune to all that low tier crap. She enchanted Neinhart with enough power to be immune to a spriggan's hax, so by default as the giver of said power she is also immune.
So to answer your question, nothing. Eileen doesnt do anything when Dimaria freezes time or Jacob claps his hands or Invel pulls out his Ice Armor, weak-sauce like that arent even a threat to human Eileen.

Eileen's feats outclass every spriggan's bar August by a mile.
What are Dimaria's feats? Stripping Kagura? Getting stomped by END?
Jacob's feats? Transporting the guild with a surprise attack? Getting his ass handed to him by a trashed Mirajane?
Invel's feats? Getting the shit beaten out of him by base Gray?
None of that is anywhere close to Eileen feats.
Breaking Erza's bones with one claw swipe shits on anything any of them have done.

That's the problem, Irene will never even get the chance to transform into a dragon if she's fighting Dimaria, Jacob, or Invel.

It's takes just a matter of seconds for Dimaria to click her teeth, Jacob to clap his hands, or Invel to insta-freeze somebody. Compared to all of that, Irene transforming into a dragon is pretty slow.


Ultear is irrelevant here because nobody in this tournament is going to get help from her. In the manga, there is no doubt that Dimaria would have killed almost everybody she went up against in a 1v1 if it weren't for PiS.

Without Gray there, Natsu would have been a vulnerable statue. It doesn't take much power to kill somebody in that state. And it took Natsu some time to unfreeze himself, which gives Invel more than enough time to freeze him permanently with Divine Ice.

Or, Invel could have just casted Ice Lock on Natsu and it would have been over.

Jacob was actually fast enough to kill everybody. If Brandish wasn't held hostage in his "Transport" attempt, he would have been able to oneshot Makarov along with the entire guild.

Brandish getting in his way was another form of PiS.

Not to mention, Jacob would have also oneshotted Natsu and Lucy by clapping his hands if it were for the "Virgin Eyes" PiS.

It's obvious that Jacob experienced way more PiS than Irene, who miserably failed against Wendy's enchantments and Erza's durability.



And I don't see any evidence of Irene being immune to all those "low-tier" spells. Once again, it's all talk, she has no feats to back her up.

Irene has never been shown to counter Age Seal, Transport, or Insta-Freeze.

Even Brandish was at the mercy of Dimaria's Age Seal and Jacob's Transport. Both Dimaria and Jacob casually stopped Brandish in her tracks.



I don't think Irene's feats are better than Dimaria... or even half of the Spriggan 12, for that matter.

Dimaria was toying around with Wendy and was easily winning (without Ultear's interference), but Irene was completely outclassed by Wendy.



And Jacob didn't transport the guild because he surprised them. They were all well aware when he casted it:

Spoiler: Jacob casting Transport

Without the PiS of "Virgin Eyes" and Brandish getting in his way, there would be nobody who can stop Jacob's Transport.



And without PiS, Invel would have killed Juvia with Ice Lock.

He could have insta-frozen Natsu, Lucy, and Juvia at the beginning... then cast Ice Lock on them.

Really, the only reason why Invel looked stupid was because of PiS.



PiS is not an excuse for Irene. Her feats were terrible, like most of the other Spriggans.

Either she gets the same treatment as all the other Spriggans, or people like Dimaria, Jacob, and Invel should advance to the finals.

 

[Seven777]

That's the problem, Irene will never even get the chance to transform into a dragon if she's fighting Dimaria, Jacob, or Invel.

It's takes just a matter of seconds for Dimaria to click her teeth, Jacob to clap his hands, or Invel to insta-freeze somebody. Compared to all of that, Irene transforming into a dragon is pretty slow.


Ultear is irrelevant here because nobody in this tournament is going to get help from her. In the manga, there is no doubt that Dimaria would have killed almost everybody she went up against in a 1v1 if it weren't for PiS.

Without Gray there, Natsu would have been a vulnerable statue. It doesn't take much power to kill somebody in that state. And it took Natsu some time to unfreeze himself, which gives Invel more than enough time to freeze him permanently with Divine Ice.

Or, Invel could have just casted Ice Lock on Natsu and it would have been over.

Jacob was actually fast enough to kill everybody. If Brandish wasn't held hostage in his "Transport" attempt, he would have been able to oneshot Makarov along with the entire guild.

Brandish getting in his way was another form of PiS.

Not to mention, Jacob would have also oneshotted Natsu and Lucy by clapping his hands if it were for the "Virgin Eyes" PiS.

It's obvious that Jacob experienced way more PiS than Irene, who miserably failed against Wendy's enchantments and Erza's durability.



And I don't see any evidence of Irene being immune to all those "low-tier" spells. Once again, it's all talk, she has no feats to back her up.

Irene has never been shown to counter Age Seal, Transport, or Insta-Freeze.

Even Brandish was at the mercy of Dimaria's Age Seal and Jacob's Transport. Both Dimaria and Jacob casually stopped Brandish in her tracks.



I don't think Irene's feats are better than Dimaria... or even half of the Spriggan 12, for that matter.

Dimaria was toying around with Wendy and was easily winning (without Ultear's interference), but Irene was completely outclassed by Wendy.



And Jacob didn't transport the guild because he surprised them. They were all well aware when he casted it:

Spoiler: Jacob casting Transport

Without the PiS of "Virgin Eyes" and Brandish getting in his way, there would be nobody who can stop Jacob's Transport.



And without PiS, Invel would have killed Juvia with Ice Lock.

He could have insta-frozen Natsu, Lucy, and Juvia at the beginning... then cast Ice Lock on them.

Really, the only reason why Invel looked stupid was because of PiS.



PiS is not an excuse for Irene. Her feats were terrible, like most of the other Spriggans.

Either she gets the same treatment as all the other Spriggans, or people like Dimaria, Jacob, and Invel should advance to the finals.

She doesnt need to turn into a dragon to deal with these scrubs, even the likes of END easily defeated Dimaria, the strongest of the group you're talking about.

Eileen does have the feats of resisting hax, by enchanting Neinhart. It confirms she's immune to hax cast by a Brandish tiers. Dimaria, Jacob and Invel are all Brandish tier. END being immune to both Age Seal and Command T confirm both can be bypassed the same way.

Sure, without PiS Dimaria wouldve killed everyone she went up against, however the only people she has gone up against are fodders. The only decently strong person Dimaria has fought is END, who absolutely destroyed her.
Only reason Natsu got frozen by Invel in the first place was because it was a surprise attack. Serious Natsu's flames can instantly dispel Invel's ice, as his feat have shown.
PiS is the only reason Natsu didnt destroy Jacob along with the guild hall the moment the fight started, "virgin eyes" dont matter since Natsu was hindered just as much.
Neither Makarov nor anyone else in the guild even attempted to stop Jacob, he had them all in Transport before they knew what happened. However once they understood what Transport is Happy easily stopped it, as would any decently powerful wizard.

EIleen no diffed trashed Mirajane, Jacob got his ass handed to him by trashed Mirajane, Eileen's feats are much more than a cut above Jacobs.
Dimaria easily beat Wendy by herself. Eileen was handling both Wendy and Erza at the same time, there is a colossal difference. Erza alone>>Wendy alone, Enchanted Erza+Wendy>>>>Wendy alone. Breaking Erza's bones with one attack>>>Low diffing Wendy. Eileen's feats are way above Dimaria's.
Killing Juvia is hardly a feat, on top of that Invel only landed Ice Lock while her back was turned.

Without PiS Eileen is nearly unstoppable, she is too powerful for most hax and to take down most opponents all she has to do is Claw Swipe them once or twice, Eileen beats most people in this tournament effortlessly.

 

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She doesnt need to turn into a dragon to deal with these scrubs, even the likes of END easily defeated Dimaria, the strongest of the group you're talking about.

Eileen does have the feats of resisting hax, by enchanting Neinhart. It confirms she's immune to hax cast by a Brandish tiers. Dimaria, Jacob and Invel are all Brandish tier. END being immune to both Age Seal and Command T confirm both can be bypassed the same way.

Sure, without PiS Dimaria wouldve killed everyone she went up against, however the only people she has gone up against are fodders. The only decently strong person Dimaria has fought is END, who absolutely destroyed her.
Only reason Natsu got frozen by Invel in the first place was because it was a surprise attack. Serious Natsu's flames can instantly dispel Invel's ice, as his feat have shown.
PiS is the only reason Natsu didnt destroy Jacob along with the guild hall the moment the fight started, "virgin eyes" dont matter since Natsu was hindered just as much.
Neither Makarov nor anyone else in the guild even attempted to stop Jacob, he had them all in Transport before they knew what happened. However once they understood what Transport is Happy easily stopped it, as would any decently powerful wizard.

EIleen no diffed trashed Mirajane, Jacob got his ass handed to him by trashed Mirajane, Eileen's feats are much more than a cut above Jacobs.
Dimaria easily beat Wendy by herself. Eileen was handling both Wendy and Erza at the same time, there is a colossal difference. Erza alone>>Wendy alone, Enchanted Erza+Wendy>>>>Wendy alone. Breaking Erza's bones with one attack>>>Low diffing Wendy. Eileen's feats are way above Dimaria's.
Killing Juvia is hardly a feat, on top of that Invel only landed Ice Lock while her back was turned.

Without PiS Eileen is nearly unstoppable, she is too powerful for most hax and to take down most opponents all she has to do is Claw Swipe them once or twice, Eileen beats most people in this tournament effortlessly.

END is a demon, he uses Curses instead of Magic. We have no idea how he broke through Age Seal, but the same cannot be said for Irene.

END already proved himself. But Irene?

She isn't getting a pass here just because END achieved that feat. That would be feeding off of somebody else's performance. Irene has to prove it herself in order for it to be valid.


I don't see Irene having any feat of resisting hax..

Brandish's magic failed to work on Enhanced Neinhart. That was never the case for Dimaria, Jacob, or Invel....

I don't see why Brandish's failures should count towards Dimaria, Jacob, or Invel. They're not even on the same tier, in my opinion.

Dimaria, Jacob, and Invel's feats were far more impressive than Brandish's during this entire arc.



Without PiS, Dimaria would have easily defeated Wendy. Oneshotted even...

And Wendy is the exact same person who made a complete fool out of Irene.

Wendy did more in that fight than Erza. She canceled all of Irene's magic. When they switched bodies, Wendy could have easily destroyed Irene.

Wendy can hardly be called a fodder... Otherwise, Irene would create a whole new definition for the word "fodder".



How does Natsu destroy Jacob without PiS?

Clapping your hands is a lot faster than getting hit by a flaming fist or roar.



And Mirajane already drained her magic by the time Irene showed up..

Jacob only got fodderized by Mira because he couldn't open his eyes.. Again, everything is PiS when it comes to his "Virgin Eyes".

He could have oneshotted the whole FT guild.

So he can easily oneshot anybody in a 1v1 without PiS.



The moment the battle starts, Dimaria can stop time or Jacob can send Irene to another dimension. This is all without PiS...

Dragon Irene is irrelevant because the transformation process is too slow.



I guess you have your opinions, but without PiS, it's obvious Dimaria or Jacob would make it to the finals.

Irene's feats pale in comparison to Dimaria stopping time or Jacob oneshotting everybody with Transport.



If we don't use PiS as an excuse, then Jacob, Invel, and Dimaria should be exactly where they are in the tournament.

But I didn't know we were giving Irene special treatment.

If I had known that people disregarded PiS situations, I would have voted for Jacob and Invel to advance to the finals by now.

 

[Seven777]

END is a demon, he uses Curses instead of Magic. We have no idea how he broke through Age Seal, but the same cannot be said for Irene.

END already proved himself. But Irene?

She isn't getting a pass here just because END achieved that feat. That would be feeding off of somebody else's performance. Irene has to prove it herself in order for it to be valid.


I don't see Irene having any feat of resisting hax..

Brandish's magic failed to work on Enhanced Neinhart. That was never the case for Dimaria, Jacob, or Invel....

I don't see why Brandish's failures should count towards Dimaria, Jacob, or Invel. They're not even on the same tier, in my opinion.

Dimaria, Jacob, and Invel's feats were far more impressive than Brandish's during this entire arc.



Without PiS, Dimaria would have easily defeated Wendy. Oneshotted even...

And Wendy is the exact same person who made a complete fool out of Irene.

Wendy did more in that fight than Erza. She canceled all of Irene's magic. When they switched bodies, Wendy could have easily destroyed Irene.

Wendy can hardly be called a fodder... Otherwise, Irene would create a whole new definition for the word "fodder".



How does Natsu destroy Jacob without PiS?

Clapping your hands is a lot faster than getting hit by a flaming fist or roar.



And Mirajane already drained her magic by the time Irene showed up..

Jacob only got fodderized by Mira because he couldn't open his eyes.. Again, everything is PiS when it comes to his "Virgin Eyes".

He could have oneshotted the whole FT guild.

So he can easily oneshot anybody in a 1v1 without PiS.



The moment the battle starts, Dimaria can stop time or Jacob can send Irene to another dimension. This is all without PiS...

Dragon Irene is irrelevant because the transformation process is too slow.



I guess you have your opinions, but without PiS, it's obvious Dimaria or Jacob would make it to the finals.

Irene's feats pale in comparison to Dimaria stopping time or Jacob oneshotting everybody with Transport.



If we don't use PiS as an excuse, then Jacob, Invel, and Dimaria should be exactly where they are in the tournament.

But I didn't know we were giving Irene special treatment.

If I had known that people disregarded PiS situations, I would have voted for Jacob and Invel to advance to the finals by now.

Its heavily implied that END resisted Command T the same way he resisted Age Seal, the fact that Eileen can grant enough power to someone that they are unaffected by Command T, all but confirms that Eileen herself is also immune to Age Seal.
Brandish's failure count towards Dimaria because they are on the same tier, simple as that.
That aside, we do in fact know how END resisted Age Seal, its because he is stronger than Chronos. So since Eileen would also fodderize Chronos even in human form, she is also obviously beyond Age Seal.

END proved himself? Sure, he proved himself significantly weaker than Eileen.
Erza blocked attacks from END and DeS Gray at the same time, with her bare hands. While when Erza attempted to block Eileen's claw swipe with a sword, Eileen's claw easily went straight through Benisakura, shattering it, and all of Erza's bones along with it. Eileen's feats put her in an entirely different league, END literally cant compare.

Wendy made as much a fool out of Eileen as Ultear made out of Dimaria.
Everything Wendy did was only possible because she had enchanted Erza protecting her on the front lines, Wendy is an excellent support, but a poor fighter(compared to Erza) so low diffing Wendy in a head on fight is hardly something worth praising. Erza alone could probably mid diff Dimaria in Nakagami.

Without PiS its just an FDK Roar and Jacob is down. Clapping your hand is a lot slower than a cat waddling up and jumping between your hands, and thus a lot slower than a roar.
"Virgin eyes" wouldnt make a difference if Jacob could effortlessly no diff trashed Mira like EIleen could, his feats are worse than Eileen's, that just a fact.

Eileen doesnt get special treatment, its simply a fact that her feats, hype and portrayal all outclass Invel, Jacob and Dimaria's by a mile. There isnt a single aspect any of them surpass her in.
On top of that Eileen was never actually defeated, unlike regular scrubs such as Invel who got the crap beaten out of him by base Gray, or Jacob/Dimaria who got their asses handed to them twice.

 

[Star Frost]

Without PiS its just an FDK Roar and Jacob is down. Clapping your hand is a lot slower than a cat waddling up and jumping between your hands, and thus a lot slower than a roar.
"Virgin eyes" wouldnt make a difference if Jacob could effortlessly no diff trashed Mira like EIleen could, his feats are worse than Eileen's, that just a fact.

Eh I do find this moment more PiS cause ain't no way Happy should be able to make it from being by Mavis to in between Jacob's hands the moment he was gonna clap them which don't really take any time to do.
Difference about this one is that Irene no diff Mira because she done exhausted majority of her power and therefore didn't had the strength to defend herself like she could with Jacob which she may had recovered some of her power since she was able to use her weakest form unlike with Irene. Just saying.

 

[Nemispelled]

Its heavily implied that END resisted Command T the same way he resisted Age Seal, the fact that Eileen can grant enough power to someone that they are unaffected by Command T, all but confirms that Eileen herself is also immune to Age Seal.
Brandish's failure count towards Dimaria because they are on the same tier, simple as that.
That aside, we do in fact know how END resisted Age Seal, its because he is stronger than Chronos. So since Eileen would also fodderize Chronos even in human form, she is also obviously beyond Age Seal.

END proved himself? Sure, he proved himself significantly weaker than Eileen.
Erza blocked attacks from END and DeS Gray at the same time, with her bare hands. While when Erza attempted to block Eileen's claw swipe with a sword, Eileen's claw easily went straight through Benisakura, shattering it, and all of Erza's bones along with it. Eileen's feats put her in an entirely different league, END literally cant compare.

Wendy made as much a fool out of Eileen as Ultear made out of Dimaria.
Everything Wendy did was only possible because she had enchanted Erza protecting her on the front lines, Wendy is an excellent support, but a poor fighter(compared to Erza) so low diffing Wendy in a head on fight is hardly something worth praising. Erza alone could probably mid diff Dimaria in Nakagami.

Without PiS its just an FDK Roar and Jacob is down. Clapping your hand is a lot slower than a cat waddling up and jumping between your hands, and thus a lot slower than a roar.
"Virgin eyes" wouldnt make a difference if Jacob could effortlessly no diff trashed Mira like EIleen could, his feats are worse than Eileen's, that just a fact.

Eileen doesnt get special treatment, its simply a fact that her feats, hype and portrayal all outclass Invel, Jacob and Dimaria's by a mile. There isnt a single aspect any of them surpass her in.
On top of that Eileen was never actually defeated, unlike regular scrubs such as Invel who got the crap beaten out of him by base Gray, or Jacob/Dimaria who got their asses handed to them twice.

Though, it was never explicitly stated why Age Seal did not work on END. There are many speculations about "MP" being a part of it, but it was mostly made up by the fans.

And I don't see any evidence of Command T being on the same level as Age Seal. Just because two people are on the same tier, it doesn't mean that their magic is on a similar level of power.

Dimaria was actually a threat this entire arc. Brandish was a joke and didn't prove a single thing. Their feats are very different, so I still don't see why we should attribute Brandish's flaws to Dimaria's character.



The only reason why Irene crushed Erza's bones is because she had the physique of a dragon. That tells me nothing about the comparison between their MP.

In terms of power, END created shockwaves just by using nameless fire punches.

If we're talking about Irene's power, her Deus Sema was weak and failed to kill a 95% broken boned Erza.

END didn't have the luxury of a dragon's weight and toughness, so we would expect that Irene's swipe breaks more bones.



And I beg to differ. Wendy embarrassed Irene far better than Ultear embarrassed Dimaria.

Ultear had no means of defeating Dimaria. She could only prolong Carla's death. Ultear solely depended on Chelia to beat Dimaria while she froze time for a short period.

Wendy, on the other hand, canceled most of Irene's high-level enchantments and could have destroyed Irene when they switched bodies.

Wendy even damaged Irene considerably throughout their fight, using only her base form.



Without PiS, Jacob would have gone invisible and clap his hands..

Nobody has been able to counter Transport in the manga. So there's nothing Natsu or Lucy can do if Jacob goes invisible and uses Transport.

Even Happy would not be able to stop Jacob from clapping his hands if he went invisible from the start.



Irene is getting special treatment against the dragon slayers that she's fought in the tournament so far.

Without PiS, most of the Spriggan 12 would be higher than they currently are.

If I had known this from the start, I would put August and Jacob as the last 2 finalists.

 

[Seven777]

Though, it was never explicitly stated why Age Seal did not work on END. There are many speculations about "MP" being a part of it, but it was mostly made up by the fans.

And I don't see any evidence of Command T being on the same level as Age Seal. Just because two people are on the same tier, it doesn't mean that their magic is on a similar level of power.

Dimaria was actually a threat this entire arc. Brandish was a joke and didn't prove a single thing. Their feats are very different, so I still don't see why we should attribute Brandish's flaws to Dimaria's character.



The only reason why Irene crushed Erza's bones is because she had the physique of a dragon. That tells me nothing about the comparison between their MP.

In terms of power, END created shockwaves just by using nameless fire punches.

If we're talking about Irene's power, her Deus Sema was weak and failed to kill a 95% broken boned Erza.

END didn't have the luxury of a dragon's weight and toughness, so we would expect that Irene's swipe breaks more bones.



And I beg to differ. Wendy embarrassed Irene far better than Ultear embarrassed Dimaria.

Ultear had no means of defeating Dimaria. She could only prolong Carla's death. Ultear solely depended on Chelia to beat Dimaria while she froze time for a short period.

Wendy, on the other hand, canceled most of Irene's high-level enchantments and could have destroyed Irene when they switched bodies.

Wendy even damaged Irene considerably throughout their fight, using only her base form.



Without PiS, Jacob would have gone invisible and clap his hands..

Nobody has been able to counter Transport in the manga. So there's nothing Natsu or Lucy can do if Jacob goes invisible and uses Transport.

Even Happy would not be able to stop Jacob from clapping his hands if he went invisible from the start.



Irene is getting special treatment against the dragon slayers that she's fought in the tournament so far.

Without PiS, most of the Spriggan 12 would be higher than they currently are.

If I had known this from the start, I would put August and Jacob as the last 2 finalists.

No, it was explicitly stated why END could walk through Age Seal, it was because he was strong. People are making it more complicated than it is, if you are stronger than Chronos you can walk through Age Seal, its as simple as that.
END was immune to both Age Seal and Command T, the hax are comparable. If Neinhart is immune to one, he is almost certainly immune to the other
And even if Neinhart isnt immune to Age Seal because Age Seal>Commad T, Eileen is still without a doubt immune to it, because while Age Seal may be greater than Command T, Eileen is FAR greater than enchanted Neinhart. So either way, EIleen isnt getting taken down by the likes of Age Seal.

Eileen broke Erza's bones because she was powerful, END didnt because he was weak, you can call it physical strength or MP or whatever, the fact is Eileen>>>END.
Creating shockwaves from nameless punches? So what? He only did it when he clashed with Gray. Friggin Edolas Erza blew up an entire island when she clashed with Knightwalker, far more impressive than END's "shockwaves" should i be impressed by Edolas Erza's MP?
Eileen blew up a castle with a casual roar 400 years ago, while END's roar is the most pathetic we've seen since Tartaros, i dont think you want to be talking about MP's relation to the size of attacks.

Similarly Wendy had no means to even defeat human Eileen, Wendy was solely dependent on Erza to protect her. Wendy can cancel any enchantment she wants but she still had no chance against Eileen.
The only attack Wendy landed was while in Dragon Force, with Erza keeping Eileen in check.

Doesnt matter if Jacob goes invisible, FDK Roar covers way to much area, besides, Transport AoE isnt particularly impressive, anyone capable of jumping as high as the guild hall could easily dodge it, so most of FT's top tiers and half the spriggans.

No, she isnt. Eileen can beat every Dragon Slayer in this tournament with Deus Sema. Without PiS all she has to do is fly to the other side of the battlefield, drop Deus Sema in an area far away and watch the shockwave kill them. The only one with a chance to beat a strategy like that is Laxus and thats only because he can fly.

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Eh I do find this moment more PiS cause ain't no way Happy should be able to make it from being by Mavis to in between Jacob's hands the moment he was gonna clap them which don't really take any time to do.
Difference about this one is that Irene no diff Mira because she done exhausted majority of her power and therefore didn't had the strength to defend herself like she could with Jacob which she may had recovered some of her power since she was able to use her weakest form unlike with Irene. Just saying.

Except the Mira that fought Jacob had just been tortured by Eileen, while the Mira that fought Eileen had only expended some MP with minimal injuries.

Sure, Mira might've regained some MP, but she only regained it during her fight with Jacob, she spent the first half of the fight in her human form using her fists. If Jacob was anywhere close to human Eileen's level he would have defeated her long before Mira recovered a fraction of what she needed to enter Satan Soul.

 

[Nemispelled]

No, it was explicitly stated why END could walk through Age Seal, it was because he was strong. People are making it more complicated than it is, if you are stronger than Chronos you can walk through Age Seal, its as simple as that.
END was immune to both Age Seal and Command T, the hax are comparable. If Neinhart is immune to one, he is almost certainly immune to the other
And even if Neinhart isnt immune to Age Seal because Age Seal>Commad T, Eileen is still without a doubt immune to it, because while Age Seal may be greater than Command T, Eileen is FAR greater than enchanted Neinhart. So either way, EIleen isnt getting taken down by the likes of Age Seal.

Eileen broke Erza's bones because she was powerful, END didnt because he was weak, you can call it physical strength or MP or whatever, the fact is Eileen>>>END.
Creating shockwaves from nameless punches? So what? He only did it when he clashed with Gray. Friggin Edolas Erza blew up an entire island when she clashed with Knightwalker, far more impressive than END's "shockwaves" should i be impressed by Edolas Erza's MP?
Eileen blew up a castle with a casual roar 400 years ago, while END's roar is the most pathetic we've seen since Tartaros, i dont think you want to be talking about MP's relation to the size of attacks.

Similarly Wendy had no means to even defeat human Eileen, Wendy was solely dependent on Erza to protect her. Wendy can cancel any enchantment she wants but she still had no chance against Eileen.
The only attack Wendy landed was while in Dragon Force, with Erza keeping Eileen in check.

Doesnt matter if Jacob goes invisible, FDK Roar covers way to much area, besides, Transport AoE isnt particularly impressive, anyone capable of jumping as high as the guild hall could easily dodge it, so most of FT's top tiers and half the spriggans.

No, she isnt. Eileen can beat every Dragon Slayer in this tournament with Deus Sema. Without PiS all she has to do is fly to the other side of the battlefield, drop Deus Sema in an area far away and watch the shockwave kill them. The only one with a chance to beat a strategy like that is Laxus and thats only because he can fly.

It was stated that END could walk through Age Seal because of his power. But it never specified the reason behind that. It could have referred to his Curse Power, since he doesn't use magic. I don't see any comparison between END's MP and Chronos' MP.

I find it is a little stretching to say "Age Seal doesn't work on Irene" because "Command T doesn't work on Neinhart".

Again, you're making a big assumption that Command T = Age Seal, which according to evidence of their performance, they are on a totally different tier.


No actually, it makes a difference.

Irene might be strong physically because she is taking the form of a dragon. But her MP is below END. That means that she would still not be able to counter Age Seal.

And how are shockwaves not impressive? That is practically the visual representation of a person's exceptional Magical Power...

What did Irene do? Cast a meteor that never landed on the ground? We don't even know what the explosion or damage is like...

Even END has more solid feats than Irene.



Actually Wendy had the means of defeating Irene.

Without PiS, Wendy would have been able to utterly destroy Irene after they switched bodies. Even Irene knew that she downgraded and Wendy upgraded after that stunt.

Wendy did way more than Erza. She had a full arsenal of dragon slaying spells she could use and she canceled all the enchantments herself, nullifying Irene completely.

Ultear, on the other hand, actually had no means of defeating Dimaria... She even admitted that she could only prolong their movement in "frozen time", nothing else.

The two situations are completely different. I don't see how they are even comparable.



As for Jacob, yeah, it does matter if he is invisible.

If he's invisible, nobody can see him. That means it is impossible to "stop" Transport, and that goes for all Happy-tier speed characters too.

The fact is, without PiS, Jacob is far more hax and OP than Irene. He should be the one advancing to the finals by now, but nobody ever defended him during this tournament.

It's obvious that Irene is receiving special and lenient treatment. People are simply biased towards her, and not Jacob...



I fail to see how flying in this tournament makes much of a difference.

Most of the dragon slayers have ranged spelled, so why would it be such a big problem?

Mira can fly and summon nukes, yet she got out in the Group Stages.

Jacob would be able to clap his hands and Irene should disappear.

Flying is a joke when Jacob can insta-kill or oneshot Irene in a matter of seconds.

 

[Seven777]

It was stated that END could walk through Age Seal because of his power. But it never specified the reason behind that. It could have referred to his Curse Power, since he doesn't use magic. I don't see any comparison between END's MP and Chronos' MP.

I find it is a little stretching to say "Age Seal doesn't work on Irene" because "Command T doesn't work on Neinhart".

Again, you're making a big assumption that Command T = Age Seal, which according to evidence of their performance, they are on a totally different tier.


No actually, it makes a difference.

Irene might be strong physically because she is taking the form of a dragon. But her MP is below END. That means that she would still not be able to counter Age Seal.

And how are shockwaves not impressive? That is practically the visual representation of a person's exceptional Magical Power...

What did Irene do? Cast a meteor that never landed on the ground? We don't even know what the explosion or damage is like...

Even END has more solid feats than Irene.



Actually Wendy had the means of defeating Irene.

Without PiS, Wendy would have been able to utterly destroy Irene after they switched bodies. Even Irene knew that she downgraded and Wendy upgraded after that stunt.

Wendy did way more than Erza. She had a full arsenal of dragon slaying spells she could use and she canceled all the enchantments herself, nullifying Irene completely.

Ultear, on the other hand, actually had no means of defeating Dimaria... She even admitted that she could only prolong their movement in "frozen time", nothing else.

The two situations are completely different. I don't see how they are even comparable.



As for Jacob, yeah, it does matter if he is invisible.

If he's invisible, nobody can see him. That means it is impossible to "stop" Transport, and that goes for all Happy-tier speed characters too.

The fact is, without PiS, Jacob is far more hax and OP than Irene. He should be the one advancing to the finals by now, but nobody ever defended him during this tournament.

It's obvious that Irene is receiving special and lenient treatment. People are simply biased towards her, and not Jacob...



I fail to see how flying in this tournament makes much of a difference.

Most of the dragon slayers have ranged spelled, so why would it be such a big problem?

Mira can fly and summon nukes, yet she got out in the Group Stages.

Jacob would be able to clap his hands and Irene should disappear.

Flying is a joke when Jacob can insta-kill or oneshot Irene in a matter of seconds.

It was stated that END could move through Age Seal because his power surpasses the gods, it doesnt specify curse power, just power. Anyone with power surpassing gods can walk through Age Seal, whether its curse power, magic power, or even just pure physical power. We know the requirements, and since Eileen is stronger than END, she meets them.

Eileen's MP dwarfs ENDs.
Representation of power? EIleen shot off a roar a thousand times bigger than the one END shot off, hows that for a representation of power?
END has more solid feats than Eileen? You mean like when he failed to break through the guard of Erza's bare hands, while Eileen shattered Benisakura along with all of Erza's bones? Eileen's feats are in another league.

Without PiS, Eileen would never have switched bodies in the first place.
The scenarios are practically the same. Against Eileen Wendy had no chance, against Dimaria Ultear had no chance.

Like i said, you dont need to see Jacob when you have AoE on the level of FDK Roar.
Jacob isnt OP at all, he is easily defeated by almost every mid-top tier. Fact is that Jacob enters this tournament visible, not invisible. Like everyone else he has to activate his magic, he doesnt start with it automatically on. This means he gets oneshotted, no question.
No one defends Jacob because he's too weak to warrant defending. You honestly think people like EIleen enough to be biased towards her? After Zeref she was the most disappointing thing this arc, doesnt change the fact that without PiS she is almost unstoppable to most people in this tournament.

Only ranged spells Dragon Slayers have are their roars, EIleen flies away where a roar cant reach and nukes em with Deus Sema, nothing they can do.
Mira's nukes cant kill top tiers and dont have the AoE to be a guaranteed hit, unlike Eileen's. Though i'd argue Mira is stronger than some people who moved on.
Ha, yeah, and Jacob might as well try and Transport Acnologia while he's at it. Besides, like i said, anyone who can fly effortlessly avoids Transport.
You saying that weaklings like Jacob and Dimaria can hax someone on Eileen's level, despite not being able to hax weaker opponents like END is like me saying Eileen insta-kills everyone by turning them into mice despite only doing it to a fodder.

 

[Nemispelled]

It was stated that END could move through Age Seal because his power surpasses the gods, it doesnt specify curse power, just power. Anyone with power surpassing gods can walk through Age Seal, whether its curse power, magic power, or even just pure physical power. We know the requirements, and since Eileen is stronger than END, she meets them.

Eileen's MP dwarfs ENDs.
Representation of power? EIleen shot off a roar a thousand times bigger than the one END shot off, hows that for a representation of power?
END has more solid feats than Eileen? You mean like when he failed to break through the guard of Erza's bare hands, while Eileen shattered Benisakura along with all of Erza's bones? Eileen's feats are in another league.

Without PiS, Eileen would never have switched bodies in the first place.
The scenarios are practically the same. Against Eileen Wendy had no chance, against Dimaria Ultear had no chance.

Like i said, you dont need to see Jacob when you have AoE on the level of FDK Roar.
Jacob isnt OP at all, he is easily defeated by almost every mid-top tier. Fact is that Jacob enters this tournament visible, not invisible. Like everyone else he has to activate his magic, he doesnt start with it automatically on. This means he gets oneshotted, no question.
No one defends Jacob because he's too weak to warrant defending. You honestly think people like EIleen enough to be biased towards her? After Zeref she was the most disappointing thing this arc, doesnt change the fact that without PiS she is almost unstoppable to most people in this tournament.

Only ranged spells Dragon Slayers have are their roars, EIleen flies away where a roar cant reach and nukes em with Deus Sema, nothing they can do.
Mira's nukes cant kill top tiers and dont have the AoE to be a guaranteed hit, unlike Eileen's. Though i'd argue Mira is stronger than some people who moved on.
Ha, yeah, and Jacob might as well try and Transport Acnologia while he's at it. Besides, like i said, anyone who can fly effortlessly avoids Transport.
You saying that weaklings like Jacob and Dimaria can hax someone on Eileen's level, despite not being able to hax weaker opponents like END is like me saying Eileen insta-kills everyone by turning them into mice despite only doing it to a fodder.

That's the problem, I still fail to see how Irene is stronger than END. We have no proof of whether Irene's power is capable of nullifying Age Seal.

As for Irene's representation of power, she couldn't even defeat Base Wendy and Erza... Those are the real facts of her overall performance. END matched DeS Gray even while being at a disadvantage.

Gray's magic was super effective to END, yet he still tanked every single spell.

Irene was bleeding and complaining of pain while fighting Erza and Base Wendy... If we're talking about real power here, Irene is clearly inferior.



Actually switching bodies helped Irene take down Wendy.

If Irene never switched bodies to begin with, Wendy would have been able to cancel every single one of her enchantment spells. Then she could proceed by entering DF and using dragon slaying secret art spells to take down Irene.

By switching bodies, Irene was able to inflict self-damage on Wendy's body before returning back to her original body.

So yeah, without PiS, they would never switch bodies and Wendy would completely trash Irene because she can cancel every single one of her attacks.

To be real honest with you, Irene was just plain stupid for switching bodies. She even admitted that she messed up when she realized Wendy became stronger.

That's not PiS. That's the character's low-intelligence.



I don't think the AoE of any FDK roar will help if you can't even get a general location of your opponent.

And sure, I agree that Jacob is visible to his opponent when the match starts. But it doesn't take that long for a person to turn invisible...

I don't see anybody oneshotting Jacob faster than he can clap his hands or turn invisible, honestly.



Alright, I can give you the fact that Irene will fly away from her opponents.

But most of the dragon slayers can tank Deus Sema easily if a 95% broken boned Erza could. I have no doubt that Natsu, Laxus, God Serena, and Gajeel all have comparable or higher durability than Erza.

Especially Gajeel who can dodge most of Irene's attacks just by turning into a shadow. Durability for him is only secondary.

As for Irene turning her opponents into mice, that's a fair point. However, the rules of this tournament already restricts Irene from doing that.

 

[Arjuna]

That's the problem, I still fail to see how Irene is stronger than END. We have no proof of whether Irene's power is capable of nullifying Age Seal.

As for Irene's representation of power, she couldn't even defeat Base Wendy and Erza... Those are the real facts of her overall performance. END matched DeS Gray even while being at a disadvantage.

Gray's magic was super effective to END, yet he still tanked every single spell.

Irene was bleeding and complaining of pain while fighting Erza and Base Wendy... If we're talking about real power here, Irene is clearly inferior.



Actually switching bodies helped Irene take down Wendy.

If Irene never switched bodies to begin with, Wendy would have been able to cancel every single one of her enchantment spells. Then she could proceed by entering DF and using dragon slaying secret art spells to take down Irene.

By switching bodies, Irene was able to inflict self-damage on Wendy's body before returning back to her original body.

So yeah, without PiS, they would never switch bodies and Wendy would completely trash Irene because she can cancel every single one of her attacks.

To be real honest with you, Irene was just plain stupid for switching bodies. She even admitted that she messed up when she realized Wendy became stronger.

That's not PiS. That's the character's low-intelligence.



I don't think the AoE of any FDK roar will help if you can't even get a general location of your opponent.

And sure, I agree that Jacob is visible to his opponent when the match starts. But it doesn't take that long for a person to turn invisible...

I don't see anybody oneshotting Jacob faster than he can clap his hands or turn invisible, honestly.



Alright, I can give you the fact that Irene will fly away from her opponents.

But most of the dragon slayers can tank Deus Sema easily if a 95% broken boned Erza could. I have no doubt that Natsu, Laxus, God Serena, and Gajeel all have comparable or higher durability than Erza.

Especially Gajeel who can dodge most of Irene's attacks just by turning into a shadow. Durability for him is only secondary.

As for Irene turning her opponents into mice, that's a fair point. However, the rules of this tournament already restricts Irene from doing that.

Well whenever August and Irene appeared at a single place no one could figure out whose M.P. was greater.Mirajane for instance said "both of their magic power's defies logic".Mavis too was shocked by both August and Irene's Magic power.