Traumerei vs 50% Urek

[maverickframe_19]

Most likely Traumerei.

I think Urek was already punching properly with 100% Reinforcement back when he went to stop 2 FHs from killing each other. And even then, Gustang said he wouldn't be able to destroy 3D Disconnection indefinitely, and that if Traumerei hadn't been exhausted and missing most of his energy, fully powered Disconnections wouldn't have been dealt with without thinking. Granted, Gustang probably doesn't know the full depth of Urek's arsenal, so there's room to doubt the statement a bit. Still, it's what we have now. By this portrayal, probably not even 100% Reinforcement Urek can take 3D Disconnection lightly.

In addition, we never saw Traumerei at his peak. He was missing Leviathan, a Shinheuh probably even stronger than Valhalla. He was also missing many of the Shinheuh he gave to his BHs, including his most valued possessions (Haetae and Gran Abuelo).

There's a bit of uncertainty because we don't know much about what kind of techniques Urek has besides Gorgon and Scorching Fist of the Death. At his peak, however, I'd say Traumerei should scale above 50% Reinforcement Urek.

Very good point but answer me this can we really believe Gustang words when he said even Urek couldn't erase 3D disconnection fully when a spark of Blossom's flame was able to do that? Granted both, Urek fists and Blossom's spark ignore tower laws. Urek is one of the strongest people if not the strongest. Are we really certain that 100 reinforced punch from Urek wouldn't erase disconnection but a spark of blossom could?

 

[Shadowlord123]

Very good point but answer me this can we really believe Gustang words when he said even Urek couldn't erase 3D disconnection fully when a spark of Blossom's flame was able to do that? Granted both, Urek fists and Blossom's spark ignore tower laws. Urek is one of the strongest people if not the strongest. Are we really certain that 100 reinforced punch from Urek wouldn't erase disconnection but a spark of blossom could?

If I had to guess, while Blossom's flame and Urek's fist represent the Tower's apex destroyers, one could be more suited to deal with concepts and the other more suited towards material things.

We saw the spark of Blossom instantly erasing Disconnect (Concept), so Traumerei thought of containing it with Wall of Malice (Material). The Wall managed to last a bit even when Gustang combined the flame with his power (Okbi) and summoned the Flood in conjunction. That's far more than Disconnect could accomplish against just the flame alone.

Of course, as I said, there's room to doubt Gustang's statement. And he never said Urek wouldn't be able to erase Disconnection, just that he wouldn't have such an easy time against a properly powered one.

Also wait a minute, you think basic shinsoo reinforcement represents the entirety of Ureks overall power?

100% Reinforcement could be Urek's full power as long as we assume he's using proper techniques (which is not how he's been fighting so far).

 

[Demonspeed]

Gustang seems to know Urek more than the other FHs. He also said "he's always amazed when he sees it". Which implies that he saw it many times. Gustang also knows Traumerei the most among the GWs aside from Zahard maybe.

People seem to forget something about Blossom's flames: she can't control it. It's just pure, raw power, maybe she can even injure herself with it. Gustang got a spark because that's what he and probably Blossom herself can manage.

Also, I wouldn't say that it's a bad MU for Traumerei's Disconnection at all. Disconnection itself is hax, it cuts anything regardless of your durability or strength level. Blossom's flames simply outhax it.

 

[Ray Barracuda]

100% Reinforcement could be Urek's full power as long as we assume he's using proper techniques (which is not how he's been fighting so far).

Won't make sense because basic reinforcement quite literally cannot be anyones full power in the tower unless you're someone who just learnt to harness shinsoo for the first time.

If 100% reinforcement or close to it is what fought Gustang and Traum then isn't Blossom and the other top FH's far above Urek if we assume 100% reinforcement meant his full power.

I mean a fraction of her is more overhwhelming than them both.


Whatever Urek's special shinsoo quality is we don't know yet, whatever advanced forms of reinforcement or even body forms he posseses we don't know either.

It is by all accounts a fraction of his strength.


Gap between low and top FH level individuals is jupiter levels of massive as we've seen this arc.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Won't make sense because basic reinforcement quite literally cannot be anyones full power in the tower unless you're someone who just learnt to harness shinsoo for the first time.

If 100% reinforcement or close to it is what fought Gustang and Traum then isn't Blossom and the other top FH's far above Urek if we assume 100% reinforcement meant his full power.

I mean a fraction of her is more overhwhelming than them both.


Whatever Urek's special shinsoo quality is we don't know yet, whatever advanced forms of reinforcement or even body forms he posseses we don't know either.

It is by all accounts a fraction of his strength.


Gap between low and top FH level individuals is jupiter levels of massive as we've seen this arc.

100% Reinforcement with proper techniques is Jinsung's full power, and the same can be said for many other High Rankers and Rankers. The limits of many of them can be defined like that.

The ones whose full power cannot be defined like that are the ones who have transformations (f.e. Yama/Luslec), have an entity/item inside them powering them up (f.e. Ancients in case of Evankhell or Hellam), or the ones who are explicitly stated to be using a more advanced form of enhancement like Internal Quality Shinsu Control (f.e. Redan for Maschenny) or Shinwonryu Reinforcement (f.e. Data Zahard did that).

In all fairness, it's possible Urek could have one of those (an Internal Quality Shinsu Control is very possible), which is why I said it "could be". As long as you don't assume he has any of these things, 100% Reinforcement with proper techniques could be his full power.

I think you're going to feel disappointed later on if you think the gaps are so enormously massive. Gustang would've to be a retard to attempt to kill them all if he was such a fodder. Granted, with the way he's been written this Season, he might as well be an idiot and not the mastermind he was promised to be

 

[Ray Barracuda]

I think you're going to feel disappointed later on if you think the gaps are so enormously massive. Gustang would've to be a retard to attempt to kill them all if he was such a fodder. Granted, with the way he's been written this Season, he might as well be an idiot and not the mastermind he was promised to be

Nah, him not being able to take them head on is something i'm sure he knows.

Whatever he's planning we'll see eventually, in the end he remains a FH but Blossom can legit one shot him as can Ha Yurin, Edhuan and Hon.

Even with this still he remains a FH, resources is Gustangs thing entirely, might have allies within the 10 we don't know about who wanna die and also kill the rest too.

100% Reinforcement with proper techniques is Jinsung's full power, and the same can be said for many other High Rankers and Rankers. The limits of many of them can be defined like that.

But the special shinsoo quality of the Ha is their body, same with the Arie and their natural affinity with swords.

I think sometimes people miss it that shinsoo quality isn't necessarily some element or explosion, it's skill or genetics too.

For Zahard it seems to be shinwonryu self reinforcement and overall explosions stuff.


Urek is a freak of nature physically sure but it ain't his affinity cause right now there's a high chance that it seems to be something that would be more in line with destruction as a concept when it's revealed.

Or heck, might just be lightning when considering his sobriquet.


Eitherway he hasn't used a quality yet, i thought it would be fire but now i'm hoping dearly it's not.