Discussion Traumerei vs Revolution

[Anne isn't a TT]

But Urek got out of it immediately and luslec can't damage him with this technique either. So in a worst case scenario, urek can just keep punching out of this space until luslec runs out of energy. Then it's game over. But if Urek spams shinsoo beams at luslec from long range, there is nothing luslec can do. The fight is over in a matter of several seconds in that scenario.

Idk why U think he got out immediately. In 601, he was trapped for the time FUG had time to run away. In 642, again he was trapped but got out immediately after the spell was hit by Rei's aura. In 648, before he was trapped V was running away but once UM was trapped, he told Mirchea wait for sometime for his attack to sprout and walk like none was chasing anymore.

It's not about Mirchea defeating or damaging UM. It's about him being helpless by the same technique. As long as he can't destroy the bright charge for good, he can never kill Mirchea. He will escape everytime. But it won't work against Rei or any other FLs. That's what I am talking about

 

[Lonatian]

I am sorry friend but I did read them several times (for other reasons as well), there have been more than one fight between Traumerei and Gustang, check those out, too. I am not trying to constrain an Anima user to not use anima, you do it once against Gustang in the fish tank and did not work, do it again and did not work, and do it third time now you have unlocked the Achievement of "Strategical Genius". xD In their final fight, even there was a case where Gustang created another animal and dealt with his animals, followed by proposing to gifting that shark to Traumerei. It is that ridiculous. He started to use disconnection quite late compared to a normal standards, but all these were also affected by classical manga trope of "showing all your attacks from weakest to strongest before you check out". Except Valhalla, Traumerei should have started to use Disconnection from the very beginning.

So this is simply you denying Traumerei's strategy.

- Traumerei VS Dumas: after using Harpe and being dealt with by Dumas, Traumerei used Poison Dragon and made Dumas fall into a trap and give up both arms immediately.
- Traumerei when capturing King chess, to prevent Endrossi from using Bong Bong, he summoned Cobalt.
- Traumerei VS Bellerire + Hollan: ended with Hollan being controlled under the surprise of both of them.
- Hollan's Endless Living Labyrinth: even though Gustang put a curse on Hollan, he didn't die. Traumerei even used him to save Baam and Endrossi. Hollan's Labyrinth as a home advantage controlled by Traumerei. It's not useless.
- Megalodon: created with enough complexity that Gustang couldn't burn it. Gustang's swordfish couldn't kill it. Megalodon kept attacking Gustang until his head was blown off. He didn't defeat it. And you say it's useless.

Like I said, Traumerei is not a "don't think, just punch" type of guy. He thinks before he acts. And you want to say he "lacks strategy" when using Anima.

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For Hunos destruction, as far as I can see a 3D disconnection encapsulated it completely and throw it into another dimension or whatever, maybe loosely similar to Obito Uchiha of Naruto. Otherwise he was intangible, could not be cut through

"Thows everything into another dimension"

3D Disconnection/Rupture basically destroys everything within range of his Rupture Balls. It even breaks space itself.

 

[arrowofsky]

So this is simply you denying Traumerei's strategy.

- Traumerei VS Dumas: after using Harpe and being dealt with by Dumas, Traumerei used Poison Dragon and made Dumas fall into a trap and give up both arms immediately.
- Traumerei when capturing King chess, to prevent Endrossi from using Bong Bong, he summoned Cobalt.
- Traumerei VS Bellerire + Hollan: ended with Hollan being controlled under the surprise of both of them.
- Hollan's Endless Living Labyrinth: even though Gustang put a curse on Hollan, he didn't die. Traumerei even used him to save Baam and Endrossi. Hollan's Labyrinth as a home advantage controlled by Traumerei. It's not useless.
- Megalodon: created with enough complexity that Gustang couldn't burn it. Gustang's swordfish couldn't kill it. Megalodon kept attacking Gustang until his head was blown off. He didn't defeat it. And you say it's useless.

Like I said, Traumerei is not a "don't think, just punch" type of guy. He thinks before he acts. And you want to say he "lacks strategy" when using Anima.

Strategy, tactics, and knee-jerk reactions are different things. The only thing Traumerei did close to a strategy is Holan case. Moreover, Bellerir and Holan teaming up was the most idiotic thing as Traumerei can forcefully control everything in the LPB. He does not trust anyone and always act in this way. The thing with the predecapitation part is Gustang was toying, making Traumerei a cat mask, and needed to be killed by him from the start. In that context, megalodon was enough to "corner" him.

"Thows everything into another dimension"

3D Disconnection/Rupture basically destroys everything within range of his Rupture Balls. It even breaks space itself.

That is the idea. It encapsulated it completely, not cut or divide, and get that our or destroyed or whatnot. It only worked because it destroyed the space around it together, and Gustang's arm was gone with it, too.

 

[Lonatian]

Strategy, tactics, and knee-jerk reactions are different things. The only thing Traumerei did close to a strategy is Holan case. Moreover, Bellerir and Holan teaming up was the most idiotic thing as Traumerei can forcefully control everything in the LPB. He does not trust anyone and always act in this way. The thing with the predecapitation part is Gustang was toying, making Traumerei a cat mask, and needed to be killed by him from the start. In that context, megalodon was enough to "corner" him.

I feel like I'm trying to prove how the strongest Anima user in history is using Anima.

I'm not saying that Traumerei will have a detailed plan of steps to execute a perfect strategy. I want to prove that no matter the situation, Traumerei has a specific strategy and goal.

Strategy and tactics go hand in hand (I don't understand why you separate the two).
But I want to prove that it's not knee-jerk reactions.
Take the case of Megalodon for example. Gustang's fire can burn things he understands. Megalodon must be a creature prepared by Traumerei, it has swallowed countless different creatures making it too complex. Traumerei can't create it in seconds (like the swordfish) to fight Gustang.

Traumerei focused on overcoming Gustang's flames. And those things have to be prepared in advance.
Traumerei's Anima is actually effective, not useless (I've said this many times). The only technique Traumerei isn't prepared for is probably 3D Disconnection.

 

[Jackjohsnon]

Traumerei wouldn't use any strategy in this scenary. He wouldn't need to

 

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Idk why U think he got out immediately. In 601, he was trapped for the time FUG had time to run away. In 642, again he was trapped but got out immediately after the spell was hit by Rei's aura. In 648, before he was trapped V was running away but once UM was trapped, he told Mirchea wait for sometime for his attack to sprout and walk like none was chasing anymore.

It's not about Mirchea defeating or damaging UM. It's about him being helpless by the same technique. As long as he can't destroy the bright charge for good, he can never kill Mirchea. He will escape everytime. But it won't work against Rei or any other FLs. That's what I am talking about

Yes I agree with you on the fact that the FLs can counter luslec in a more easier manner, however, if Urek is serious about killing Luslec, Luslec's bright charge is not going to help him. Urek would just speed blitz Luslec before he can activate anything.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Yes I agree with you on the fact that the FLs can counter luslec in a more easier manner, however, if Urek is serious about killing Luslec, Luslec's bright charge is not going to help him. Urek would just speed blitz Luslec before he can activate anything.

Bright charge isn't about activating, it's about deactivating and it should be faster than activating. As for whether UM can destroy the bright charge(not other spells), we will have to see in the next encounter.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Comparing Boss to Luslec when one ran from the challenge and one made UM use his gorgon's fist. Don't make this forum like Reddit. Please.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

In first scenario - Traum slaughters. Boss the strongest among the group shit his pants after seeing urek. Truam didn't give a damn about urek.

Add Luslec to Revolution's side -- This makes it balanced and it depends on how powerful full power luslec is. Hard to say. I think luslec can at least push traum to high diff with his powers. 50/50.

Traumerei to his nerfed self -- Again depends on how powerful full power luslec is. If he is at a level where he can only hold nerfed traum without valhalla , then his team loses. Valhalla slaughters others.

Add Gustang on Traumerei's side - Traum loses.

I maybe downplaying other members or revs here. But against a FH , they don't matter much until further feats suggest othetwise.

 

[Shadowlord123]

Damn, I kinda knew this was coming, but I was at least expecting someone to give the Revos a bit more of recognition

That said, I agree Traumerei cooks them.

 

[NAMELESS]

Curious to see how people scale the Revolution in general. Urek seemed to give them some hype back against Luslec, and the members showcased had pretty interesting feats.

- Scenario: Alternate reality where full power Traumerei and his evil spirit cross over to deal with Revolution. Urek doesn't come, Gustang isn't there, and no one else on that battlefield (Robadon, Proust, Yama, and others) can intervene.

- Knowledge: Canon. Neither party knows much about the other's specific abilities.

- Members: Traumerei (full power) vs The Boss + 10 FH replacements (including Ratna Gra, Astronaut, and Kirin) + Subordinates (let's assume each FH replacement got 2 subordinates of similar strength to the lightning girl and Jade; that'd make a total of 20).

If you think it's too one-sided in favour of Traumerei, add Luslec to Revolution's side. If it's still too one-sided, downscale Traumerei to his nerfed self (he can still use 2D Disconnection, Valhalla, and the other Shinheuh).

If you think it's too one-sided in favour of Revolution, add Gustang on Traumerei's side. If it's still too one-sided, add the full armies of both Great Families + current Yama.

Immortality Contract is taken away from any FH.

Thoughts?

They might pull it off. The Boss is most likely a Jahad clone, so expect lots of hax from him.