Discussion Underrated and Overrated

[-Ken-]

Well, inn that case they might not be underrated in your eyes. But anyone who think Seigaku isn't the strongest school is fooling themselves.

 

[ChinkyCandie]

Kirihara is only chosen because of Showtaro Morikubo.

 

[Fuuji Genichiro]

Niou can synchro with almost anyone because he can become almost anyone, so that make oishi useless.

NO
he synchroed with Atobe, becasuse Atobe worships himself. It doesnt automatically suggest that this happens with everyone. It was simply the level of Atobe's pride (in himself), also Niou will only attain syncro (unless copying kikumaru and pairing with oishi) if he is in a pinch situation. Oishi has complete control over Synchro. the doubles pair is useless without the real Kikumaru
If he wont pick the real eiji, he shouldnt have fucking picked Oishi,
So no, the coach didnt pick the best obective team.

 

[-Ken-]

What? The point of Oishi is that he pull out the best in his partner play. This is mention in PoT, and shown with Momoshiro, Eiji, and also Niou.

 

[Fuuji Genichiro]

Hes more of the anti-ryoma. They were the ones being compared throughout the first half of PoT and he is the one who helped ryoma get muga. Momo and kaidou should have been picked over oishi. Also they can't have to many seigaku players because this series is about MSers not schools. Although rikkai still has to be the invincible school so they automatically get the most players even when they shouldn't. Also akaya is popular.

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Seigaku is not underrated. Right now they can beat any team. It's that people dislike them because it is impossible for ryoma,tezuka,fuji, or golden pair to lose and with momo and kaidou they automatically beat any team. People want a good match not some one sided beat down. Unless other schools get a powerup it's not fair.

No!, in fact the nationals proved how bullshit this was
Tezuka lost vs Sanada (and rightfully so, Sanada was simply superior)
shiraishi beat fuuji (very close match) but it proved that fuuji was beatable.
Ryoma is really what makes seigaku unbeatable, because they are always guaranteed a free point

AS for "one sided beat down"
ryoma and tezuka are simply overpowered chars
tezuka being used to raise the bar (somewhat acceptable) and ryoma simply unbeatable for the sake of being main char (overrated)
Fujji will lose if he isnt good enough, and then play an imaginary match with you and kick your ass, Doesnt change the fact that he lost the first match, just that you wont be winning the next. (the reason i love fuuji)
Dream team is overpowered, but not really ovverrated. Kikumaru is a fucking lightning bolt who knows where the ball will go the moment you hit it with the racket. oishi can place his shots as accurately as any other Mschooler, making him a type of tactical baseliner who exploits any weaknesses in your formation. Its more tactical really. and syncro helps them cover the weaknesses in physical stats.

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can someone (@ mod maybe) explain the infraction counter ?

 

[Ninomiya]

Interesting.
New users are now on the forum. Warm Welcome to the SPoT section of MH to Fuuji Genichiro and ybr99
What's more interesting is that the same issues that I had with Konomi's selection are still strongly being voiced after a year after we found out who made the team.

Rikkai is overrated

I wouldn't say overrated. I think they delivered the hype they needed to deliver.
Look at the invididual player stats. Statistically Rikkai is comfortably the strongest school overall if you average everyone out.
Back in PoT had there been no plot-power PoP for Ryoma then Rikkai would have had 3 straight championships.

Even in SPoT whilst Seigaku the national champions have Tezuka/Ryoma who have entered a new realm of power left Rikkai behind, its not like there is another school in the country that comes close to actually giving Rikkai a good fight. So I'd say they are correctly rated.

And as for Momoshiro, yes, I'm now 100% certain that the match doesn't end at the first BJK point. Unless the 1st stringer went crazy and beat Momoshiro and Kenya up even when the match is over.

Agreed.

Niou can synchro with almost anyone because he can become almost anyone, so that make oishi useless.

We dont know this for certain.
But I get what you mean that we could've had Kikumaru instead of Oishi in terms of Synchro because Niou could just become Oishi with even better stats although 1 point lower in Stamina.
I think we should go with Ken's theory that its down to potential in regards to Oishi.

 

[ybr99]

NO
he synchroed with Atobe, becasuse Atobe worships himself. It doesnt automatically suggest that this happens with everyone. It was simply the level of Atobe's pride (in himself), also Niou will only attain syncro (unless copying kikumaru and pairing with oishi) if he is in a pinch situation. Oishi has complete control over Synchro. the doubles pair is useless without the real Kikumaru
If he wont pick the real eiji, he shouldnt have fucking picked Oishi,
So no, the coach didnt pick the best obective team.

I disagree atobe has the biggest ego and is literally in love with himself. If niou can synchro with him he can synchro with anyone.

 

[-Ken-]

Niou syncho with Atobe because they are in the pinch situation and then they happen to hit the "miracle" chance of activating syncho.

 

[ybr99]

So niou in a pinch can synchro with anyone.

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Although he did synchro with the twins and they weren't in a pinch.

 

[-Ken-]

See, that's different. He become a twin, who already can syncho with another twin. It's the same as when he become Kikumaru to syncho with Oishi.

And "Niou in a pinch has a miracle chance to synchro with anyone." That is a lot different than just syncho in a pinch.

 

[ybr99]

I think niou is much more likely to synchro with anyone because he can become that person. He most likely in a pinch will be able to synchro. Once his illusions are perfect though which should be soon he can synchro with anyone.

 

[-Ken-]

Just because you're in a pinch doesn't mean you will syncho, though.

 

[ybr99]

You enter synchro if you have complete trust in your partner. Who can you trust more than yourself. Niou should for sure be able to enter synchro in a pinch and should also be able to enter any time.

 

[-Ken-]

Reread the explanation for syncho and get back to me. Trust is only 1 of the conditions

 

[ybr99]

it says they also have to be in a pinch, but i think if they have already done synchro it is easier to do it even if they are not in a pinch, so since niou has done it before they might be able to use it earlier.

 

[Phantron]

Synchro is all about knowing what your partner is thinking and it's hard to know someone better than yourself.　The only person I can see that won't be able to synchronize with himself would be Ryoma because if there are two Ryomas they'd still both run after the ball and run into each other even knowing that's what the other Ryoma is going to do.

That said being able to have 2 of the same guy synchro isn't particularly that useful given most of the double players are specialists. For example having 2 Maruis would be pretty useless. Given synchro is no longer an auto win it matters more to have a team that is actually good baseline as opposed to just expect two guys with weak stats magically win just because they're glowing together.

 

[ybr99]

I agree that you can't have two net players and that ryoma and toyama would not be able to play doubles even with synchro.
Bunta is the only specifically net player on the team everyone else can play both or is a baseliner. Also if you have 2 synchro sanadas I don't care who you are playing you will win.

 

[Fuuji Genichiro]

Also if you have 2 synchro sanadas I don't care who you are playing you will win.

Niou cant copy sanada or yukimura, and if he did it would be a useless copy as he cant use ANY of sanada's techs .
Reason: for those unaware, niou only uses illusion to copy special moves, his stats dont change, and sanada's tech's arent as cheap as tezuka's
Niou cant copy everyone (yukimura and fuuji for e.g) yukimura uses perfect movements(niou simply cannot do that) and fuuji uses his sense of nature (which niou doesnt have ) and genius (which niou doesnt have)
for sanada his tech's (except rai and in) arent powerups. Sanada was simply bad at restraint and had to seal off his power to be able to play alongside weaklings like niou




the mindset everybody seeems to have is that if there is any impossible tech introduced/impossible char, niou can just copy it and be 99% as badass as he is. and people think that he is super interesting but you dont realize that ALL illusions are bounded by the same set of stats, and there are some techs which are too much for him to handle (hoshi hanabi for eg)
Niou is overrated

 

[ybr99]

i know he can't copy some people but I don't see why he can't copy sanada. he can copy tezuka perfectly which you have to be able control the spin of the ball to do. He can also copy atobe's insight. Now that his illusion is perfect i think he can copy all MSers but toyama and yukimura. Although he can't copy PoP i think he can copy black aura and sanadas other moves.

I think niou might get a boost on his stats depending on who he copies. He had more power as kabaji he had better tech when he was tezuka and shiraishi and his mental was increased as atobe.

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Can he copy kites balance? If he can that means he can copy not only special moves but he can copy the actual person.

 

[Phantron]

Niou's stat changes depending on who he's copying. Otherwise the part where he turned into Kabaji to knock out Mouri/Ochi's racket would literally make no sense, since Kabaji has no special racket busting move so if Niou doesn't get Kabaji's strength, that'd mean Niou somehow could've always knocked out both of their rackets but for some reason just never did. For plot purposes he doesn't just turn into someone like Yukimura but Yukimura even said Niou can copy him if he wanted to. Even if there is some inefficiency when copying someone stronger, currently someone like Tezuka is much stronger than almost anyone in the same age group that even getting say 50% of a Tezuka is more useful than 100% of most other player and certainly more than 100% of Niou himself.