Seinen Vagabond by Inoue Takehiko

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Re: Vagabond Hang Out Thread

Through some miracle I finally caught up with Vagabond (chapter 283). So I'm thinking the end of this series will be the fight with Kojiro....seems like that's what its leading up to.
 

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Re: Vagabond Hang Out Thread

I believe that was the climax of the book and would seem the most sensible place to end things.
 

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Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

Chapter 286 is out courtesy of Nihil Sine Nefas. Read and then discuss here!
 

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Re: Vagabond 285 Discussion / 286 Prediction Thread

Really, thank you a bunch; it was getting quite distressing for a while there. Anyways, I'm working on them right now.
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

What a short chapter...

Anyway, so Kojiro was the one who cut off Ittosai's fingers, huh? Awesome.
When is the next chapter is supposed to come out?
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

287 is coming out very shortly as a matter of fact. We are working on it now.
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

288 will come at end of January. **Still needs to read chapter, shields his eyes from "spoilers"**
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

the difference between the two is Kojiro cannot be suaded by words like Musashi. Even if he can hear he probably would not care because that is his nature. Musashi is more of a manly type, who constantly want to prove his metal.

Great chapter. Thanks for the scans!! cant wait till tomorrow.
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

I think I may have missed something or forgotten something...why was Kojiro angry with Ittosai to begin with?
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

Cause Itto purposedly abandonned him in the middle of a war (Sekigahara's battle) where Kojiro had no clue of what was happening, and peasants or soldiers tried to murder him for no particular reason ?
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

Some ruminations on all this... Ittosai's encounter with Yagyu, when Sekishusai stifles him by comparing him to a beast, and it seems Yagyu later refers to Ittosai's aggression with the lines, "Oh, don't worry." "That is unrivaled under heaven (invincible under the sun)... he takes it to the extreme." This doesn't seems like a left handed compliment.

Also, Musashi's attempt at the center path with Ittosai at the end of their encounter, it seemingly mirrored the advice given to him by the Kyoto Shoshidai, "If everyone could be as strong as you... then when people confront each other face to face like this... both sides could remain centered... there would be no fight. It would no longer be necessary, don't you think?" This wasn't a rhetorical question, he genuinely asked Musashi if the opposite was true, if you needed to fight to be as strong as him, if it had to be at the expense of others, and Musashi didn't know. You could say that Sekishusai exemplified the centered approach in his meeting with Ittosai; he didn't rise to Ittosai's bait, didn't contest him in any way, but also didn't give an inch and figuratively disarmed him. No fight necessary.

So why did Musashi fail? To put it simply, his attempt was a mixed message; vacillating between two extremes, delivered without confidence, just awkward and flawed. I think a deeper connection lies earlier in his conversation with the Shoshidai:

Itakura Katsushige: "When I met you yesterday... I must admit I felt intimidated."
Musashi: "How so...?"
Itakura Katsushige: "I have followed the way of the sword too... perhaps more than most. That's why... You've reached a state of strength that I will never know. I feel inferior. I managed not to show it... because I've reached this ripe old age. That feeling, it starts out as only the smallest of waves. Once the heart becomes insecure it freezes up. Your soul tightens up and closes off everything. The insecurity grows and turns to fear and then hatred. And the opposite is just as bad. Idolatry... and imitation. You become needy... and dependent. Your eyes and soul appear to be open but are truly blind."


Musashi did try to be centered, but as he admitted, his fear and hatred got the best of him, so even when he tried again, this time by trying to placate Ittosai (and perhaps imitate Sekishusai, to impress them both), it was ineffective, and Ittosai couldn't accept it. There had to be a fight.

In this regard, did they not both, Musashi and Ittosai, show weakness?
 
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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

They did. They definitely did. Fighting is the very last option in the middle way.

To ruminate all this a little more... Chapter 286 shows us Kojiro fighting without any hatred. Hatred and rage lead him to fight, but he fights without them.
I don't get how Inoue will manage to have both of them fighting. Egos and political reasons got them fighting both in the novel and IRL, but in the manga book they've both gotten further than that are not meant to fight it seems.
Inoue's message throughout Vagabond is very human, and bashful for the way-of-the-sword. I'm fearing a step backward when that fight will occur, but I doubt Inoue would commit such a mistake. I'm very much looking forward to what will happen next and how all that duel will be set up.
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

Not all fights can end peacefully, even following the middle path. Musashi may follow the middle path by the time he meets Kojiro but I do not believe Kojiro will. While he fights without rage that is only because his entire existence is to fight. This, I believe, is the reason Inoue chose to make him a deaf - mute soldier, someone who's entire interaction with the outside world is through violence. Even when Musashi learns that the greatest show of strength is to make your enemy surrender without unsheathing your sword, Kojiro will be locked in his inner life. One whose entire existence revolves around introspection could never find a peaceful way.
 

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Re: Vagbond 286 Discussion / 287 Prediction Thread

Lol at the "can you autograph my swor..."
Thanks for your hard work guys.
 

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Vagbond 287 Discussion / 288 Prediction Thread

Chapter 287 is out! Download it here.

Thanks as always to Nihil Sine Nefas for the release!
 

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Re: Vagbond 287 Discussion / 288 Prediction Thread

Damn it's been pretty quiet in here even though this was a good chapter.
Well then I'll ask a question... Does anybody gets it when Itto tells Musashi "But you often say that you've slain nearly a hundred men" ?
I haven't heard Musashi brags about that too much... Could it be lost in translation?
 
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