Match Weekly Match-up thread (Fuji vs Seda)

[Hardy]

ROUND IS OVER

Spoiler: Winner

Mares de Colón

34th Round:

We are back and with one Math's suggestions. Can Fuji stand a chance against Spain's troublemaker?

Picture	Fuji Hardy Jan 15, 2024	Seda Hardy May 13, 2024
Name	Fuji Shuusuke	Seda
Title	Genius	Troublemaker
Rank	No. 9 (MSer Year 3)	Spain Representative (MSer Year 1)
Height	167cm	-
Weight	53 kg	-
Dominant Hand	Right	Right (Ambidextrous?)
Playstyle	Counter puncher	-
Stat Total	18	?
Speed	3	?
Power	3	?
Stamina	3	?
Mental	4	?
Technique	5	?
Techniques / Styles	Phoenix Return (1st+) Kirin Drop (2nd+) White Dragon (3rd+) Dragonfly Illusion (4th) Gate Keeper of Hecatoncheires (5th) Star Fireworks (6th) Closed Eyes Hollyhock Blizzard Light Wind Kitsune Fireball	Reverse Copy Olympian Iris' Light

Fuji's 10.5 profile.

Fuji's 23.5 profile.

Fuji's Tenipuri Party profile.

Zeus' 23.5 profile

"I'm not listing Seda's hypnosis since he seemingly stopped using it and it can be countered with freaking ear plugs.

...tho, for all intents and purposes, he can play aggressively as he did against Japan."

Will add a poll on Wednesday.

 

[Hardy]

Devil's advocate here:

Kintarou's Performance against Mares/Seda are too good. He was literally carrying against them in a 1 V 2.

Meanwhile, Oni cannot compete against UA QP.

Even with TNK + Kijin Combo. Oni shot went out still. Why didn't it went in?

The only argument will be "Oni could turn the tables around" statement. But he did NOT. He had his chance. He shot it out.

And I think Oni would eventually collapsed or injured his wrist along the way.

While Kintarou is Fully healthy 1 V 2ing G5 Level Members. With little assist support from Ohmagari.

Do you really think Oni wouldn't accomplish the same? There's a big chance that facing UA QP is a much meaner task than winning against Base Mares and Rainbow Seda. How are the matches comparable, really?

The only argument will be "Oni could turn the tables around" statement. But he did NOT. He had his chance. He shot it out.

I've been thinking about this a lot and, with last chapters' development, I got a new idea of how that would had transpired:

It's now been confirmed that it's pretty much impossible to have TnK active all the time (unless you are Kintarou, maybe) and that it's really hard to re-activate it in some situations. It's HEAVILY implied in 321 that QP's aura is some sort of TnK.

With all that in mind, if Oni's shot would had gone in, the tides would had turned just as Volk said... not as a result of Oni magically starting to return QP's services cleanly (after failing to even hit them back), but because the German would had been demoralised + engulfed by Oni's Demon. This would lead to the Ultimate Quality Aura going off.

This train of thought is an anti-feat of sorts for both players, but overall makes the most sense to me.

 

[LetalHawk]

Hot Take. I will go with Kin.

Based on the narrative.

I think it was designed for

Atobe to surpass Irie in this Finals

And

Kintarou to surpass Oni in this Finals.

Narrative Aside.

Kintarou's Performance against Mares/Seda are too good. He was literally carrying against them in a 1 V 2.

Meanwhile, Oni cannot compete against UA QP.

Even with TNK + Kijin Combo. Oni shot went out still. Why didn't it went in?

The only argument will be "Oni could turn the tables around" statement. But he did NOT. He had his chance. He shot it out.

And I think Oni would eventually collapsed or injured his wrist along the way.

While Kintarou is Fully healthy 1 V 2ing G5 Level Members. With little assist support from Ohmagari.

Anyway, just based on my eye test. Kintarou is better.

I agree with you Math. The German reps flatout stated that Kin’s radiance of confidence has the brightest light they’ve ever seen, so basically Kin’s evolved TnK is superior to Oni’s.

Right now Kin is far, far stronger than he was since they played before in the G10 arc, and now not only his TnK is stronger, but power wise Kin has gotten his strength to a whole new level, so things like GjK shouldn’t destroy his wrists and he has now enough tools to face Oni’s immense power.

Since Oni prefers TnK over Kijin and rn Kin’s TnK is stronger than Oni’s and possibly his Kijin, Kintarou wins. I think that with his last match Konomi has directly stated that Kin has finally surpassed Oni.

Not only that but also with enough motivation Kin can keep up his TnK for a whole match and Oni can’t, so in the long run his TnK would deactivate and he would resort to his last bait which is his Kijin, and current evolved TnK Kin is above that.

 

[-Ken-]

PoP Kintarou have beens shown to go 1-1 with PoP Oni as far as we know. Now Kintarou get an upgrade past that, and he even manage to go even with Rainbow Aura Seda that 6-0 him before the upgrade. Then after White Flame Mares dominate him, Kintarou get an upgrade on top of that that even the game once again.

With not just 1 but 2 upgrade I would have put current Kintarou above that Oni for sure, especially when it's confirmed that Oni wouldn't be able to keep it up for 3 set match. I don't think he would be that much above Oni, but I think Kintarou stand a pretty big shot at this.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

It sucks that we cannot use Players like Dodo,Kiko, Peter, Kuraraga, Henri, Hades, Vulcan, Hermes, and even Crawford in this matchups because of no intel and no on screen showings.

So, for the limited players we have. I am thinking of matchup involving Camus like:

1. Camus VS Tanegashima

2. Camus VS Zeus

3. Camus VS Mares

I know Camus might lack some showing. But we always put Ralph in this matchup threads. And we barely saw his whole play too. We also saw Camus Aura and playstyle with Nioucopy.

If that will not go thru. Maybe some unorthodox matchups like

Akutsu VS Bismarck

Fuji VS Ludovic

Yukimura/Sanada VS Tristan/Timothe

 

[Hardy]

I think @-Ken- is the only one that voiced an opinion but hasn't voted.

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It sucks that we cannot use Players like Dodo,Kiko, Peter, Kuraraga, Henri, Hades, Vulcan, Hermes, and even Crawford in this matchups because of no intel and no on screen showings.

So, for the limited players we have. I am thinking of matchup involving Camus like:

1. Camus VS Tanegashima

2. Camus VS Zeus

3. Camus VS Mares

I know Camus might lack some showing. But we always put Ralph in this matchup threads. And we barely saw his whole play too. We also saw Camus Aura and playstyle with Nioucopy.

If that will not go thru. Maybe some unorthodox matchups like

Akutsu VS Bismarck

Fuji VS Ludovic

Yukimura/Sanada VS Tristan/Timothe

But we at least got to see Ralph play against Amadeus, who in turn had a match against Akutsu. Also both of them got decent profiles in the fanbooks. We also know that Amadeus would stand no chance against Volk's experience and defence.

Camus on the other hand just walked over an English rep, his Illusion was better than Zeus' and we know Duke (without Ki Jin?) had a chance to beat him... and that's all the info we got.

Maybe more doubles could be fun, yeah.

 

[ShadowHeart]

Gott go with Oni still think the top G5 lvl members are to strong for even the strongest MS.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I think @-Ken- is the only one that voiced an opinion but hasn't voted.

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But we at least got to see Ralph play against Amadeus, who in turn had a match against Akutsu. Also both of them got decent profiles in the fanbooks. We also know that Amadeus would stand no chance against Volk's experience and defence.

Camus on the other hand just walked over an English rep, his Illusion was better than Zeus' and we know Duke (without Ki Jin?) had a chance to beat him... and that's all the info we got.

Maybe more doubles could be fun, yeah.

I really like to have Tristan/Timothe matchup in doubles. They have 30 total individual stats. Literally higher than any G10 Members save for Byoudouin.

They dont have special skills though. Just base tennis and ambidextrousness.

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Camus on the other hand just walked over an English rep, his Illusion was better than Zeus' and we know Duke (without Ki Jin?) had a chance to beat him... and that's all the info we got.

Funny thing is I think if Camus didnt stop osval ninjutsu technique, osval would have beaten Sanada.

Which will mean Camus VS Duke. And I will lean towards Camus.

Ofc. Konomi cannot do that story wise. But I think Konomi thinks Camus will beat Duke 1 V 1.

 

[-Ken-]

I would be very surprised if Duke can beat Camus. But I think Duke being able to beat Camus would wreck France team power level too hard so Konomi just decided to skip the match.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

I would be very surprised if Duke can beat Camus. But I think Duke being able to beat Camus would wreck France team power level too hard so Konomi just decided to skip the match.

France looked weak really as #3. USA and especially spain (pre ryoga) have much better hype and feats than them.

Let's be real. No one in us believed QF Ryoma nad Sanada are g5 level. Yet they beat ludovic and osval who are arguably their #2 and #3.

maybe Tristan or Timothe are better? or there are other strong french reps who did not play in QF to reseve for Germany.

 

[Hardy]

Gott go with Oni still think the top G5 lvl members are to strong for even the strongest MS.

Ftr, I don't think so at all. Not now, at least. Kin as an individual player showed a really crazy level, on par with Mares at full power (or better with a new racket) who "not many can rally with" (and this was said before he even unlocked the WF). Mares was supposed to train with Bismarck so that may mean Bismarck wouldn't just roll over and die, but Bismarck was also better than Tanegashima before he got the Ultimate Void. Thinking about it, perhaps the Spinless Swayball could counter Sniper and Mares would use this as training... but I digress.

Kin's aura shined the "brightest" according to both QP and Volk AND he can probably keep it on for an entire match (unlike Oni), so his TnK is surely on a different level. Oni could barely touch QP's serves, he may face the same fate against Kin's absurd Volcano Serve.

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I would be very surprised if Duke can beat Camus. But I think Duke being able to beat Camus would wreck France team power level too hard so Konomi just decided to skip the match.

Duke was a very well regarded player when he was a French rep, perhaps even their S1 in his first year in high-school. Now we know that he has Ki Jin and served as "Tokugawa's ultimate test to become Japan's S1", so I don't really think he got any worse. I think Konomi just didn't want to draw it and saved Duke for the next round to have Duke-Byo and Duke-Camus which took like half of that match. It's not like Duke can really sell manga volumes on his own or is relevant enough in the story to have such an important S1 match.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Duke was a very well regarded player when he was a French rep, perhaps even their S1 in his first year in high-school. Now we know that he has Ki Jin and served as "Tokugawa's ultimate test to become Japan's S1", so I don't really think he got any worse. I think Konomi just didn't want to draw it and saved Duke for the next round to have Duke-Byo and Duke-Camus which took like half of that match. It's not like Duke can really sell manga volumes on his own or is relevant enough in the story to have such an important S1 match.

I am not sure. Is it really mentioned Duke was French Best Player 2 years ago?

Camus and Duke are the same age. Does that imply Duke was stronger than Camus when they were 1st year?

Did Camus just get stronger now?

Anyway,

The reason I think Camus is bettter than Duke is because of Zeus as barometer.

I have Camus > Zeus> Duke.

We saw in Nioucopy that Camus is better than Zeus. (unless you argue Niou can copy Camus better)

And I am not really sure Duke can get out of Zeus Dessert and Rainbow Aura, and skills. In fact, I had Seda over Duke.. (So maybe thats why. Lol. Though duke won the matchup thread.)

 

[Hardy]

I am not sure. Is it really mentioned Duke was French Best Player 2 years ago?

Camus and Duke are the same age. Does that imply Duke was stronger than Camus when they were 1st year?

Did Camus just get stronger now?

Anyway,

The reason I think Camus is bettter than Duke is because of Zeus as barometer.

I have Camus > Zeus> Duke.

We saw in Nioucopy that Camus is better than Zeus. (unless you argue Niou can copy Camus better)

And I am not really sure Duke can get out of Zeus Dessert and Rainbow Aura, and skills. In fact, I had Seda over Duke.. (So maybe thats why. Lol. Though duke won the matchup thread.)

He was their S1 against Japan in the Group League, and it was said that only Byoudouin stood a chance back then. Even if they had to use 3 teams like in this year he was surely one of their best players. When Mifune brings up Camus vs Duke, he points out that "the King of Destruction is strong, but right now Camus is even stronger", at least in the translations, so it's implied that at one point they had comparable levels and Camus pulled ahead. We don't know if Mifune knew of Duke's Ki Jin, though.

 

[-Ken-]

Duke was a very well regarded player when he was a French rep, perhaps even their S1 in his first year in high-school. Now we know that he has Ki Jin and served as "Tokugawa's ultimate test to become Japan's S1", so I don't really think he got any worse. I think Konomi just didn't want to draw it and saved Duke for the next round to have Duke-Byo and Duke-Camus which took like half of that match. It's not like Duke can really sell manga volumes on his own or is relevant enough in the story to have such an important S1 match.

I'm not saying Duke will get 0-6 by Camus or anything. It might be a close match even. I simply just don't think Duke will beat Camus in the end. And if that actually come to be, then it's France team power level is wreck by Duke who is weaker than Byoudonin/Tokugawa for sure and potentially a lot of people see him as weaker than Tanegashima and Oni too. Or Japan lose the match and didn't reach semi final which isn't going to happen. Maybe he can pull a Byoudonin against Volk victory, but that probably means Japan losing Duke/Niou which would make them fold the match against Germany pretty much.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

Lol. Japan is the only relevant top team who cant use the same players every round.

Ofc, that is because of story and character arc wise.

But konomi needed an explanation inside the verse. And what he thought is "Japan Players are Idiots who suicide to win every match". lmao

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I'm not saying Duke will get 0-6 by Camus or anything. It might be a close match even. I simply just don't think Duke will beat Camus in the end. And if that actually come to be, then it's France team power level is wreck by Duke who is weaker than Byoudonin/Tokugawa for sure and potentially a lot of people see him as weaker than Tanegashima and Oni too. Or Japan lose the match and didn't reach semi final which isn't going to happen. Maybe he can pull a Byoudonin against Volk victory, but that probably means Japan losing Duke/Niou which would make them fold the match against Germany pretty much.

if my timeline is right. This s Japan genius 5 when they did the expedition

#1 Byoudouin
#2 Tanegashima
#3 Duke
#4 Kiratini (before Ryoga consume him on the way)
#5 Kaji

Oni, Tokugawa, Irie stayed on the camp.

Then 6-10 is the same.

So, there is a chance Duke only defeated Kiratini and Kaji. And never matched up against Oni, Toku, or Irie for the badge.

Correct me if my timeline is wrong.

But Kaji and Kiratini overlapped right? And when they were #4 and #5. That is when Oni/Toku/irie decided to stay on the camp???

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Lol. Japan is the only relevant top team who cant use the same players every round.

Ofc, that is because of story and character arc wise.

But konomi needed an explanation inside the verse. And what he thought is "Japan Players are Idiots who suicide to win every match". lmao

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if my timeline is right. This s Japan genius 5 when they did the expedition

#1 Byoudouin
#2 Tanegashima
#3 Duke
#4 Kiratini (before Ryoga consume him on the way)
#5 Kaji

Oni, Tokugawa, Irie stayed on the camp.

Then 6-10 is the same.

So, there is a chance Duke only defeated Kiratini and Kaji. And never matched up against Oni, Toku, or Irie for the badge.

Correct me if my timeline is wrong.

But Kaji and Kiratini overlapped right? And when they were #4 and #5. That is when Oni/Toku/irie decided to stay on the camp???

I dont think this is the case. Oni always referred to himself as 5. And Tanegashima also always stayed at the camp too. He just didn't relinquish his badge.

I think the most likely situation is the simplest one. The current Lineup at the time of the G10 challenge was accurate.

Duke and Oni are power players who can also play technically. And Both have a Kijin. We keep assuming Duke's Kijin was unknown to the coaches but there's no reason to assume that. Why would he keep a Trump card hidden from the people in charge of helping him improve. This means he's effectively just a stronger Oni prior to Oni unlocking TnK.

And Oni is implied to have unlocked TnK against Kaji since he used GJK to beat him. When Oni first uses Demon on Kin, Byoudin says "The Oni who beat me 2 years ago has returned" which could imply several interpretations. But it could be read as Oni not improving much in 2 years. We know in-between Byoudins training and Tokugawa's arrival that Byoudin became the number 1 and Oni chose to remain at the camp. But again he claimed the 5 badge, not 2 or 3. Which would mean he had been widely surpassed at that point.

As for Kiritani, it's entirely possible he was also better than Oni. His only match we know is versus Ryoga who is expected to be Byoudin tier or more.

 

[Hardy]

I dont think this is the case. Oni always referred to himself as 5. And Tanegashima also always stayed at the camp too. He just didn't relinquish his badge.

I think the most likely situation is the simplest one. The current Lineup at the time of the G10 challenge was accurate.

Duke and Oni are power players who can also play technically. And Both have a Kijin. We keep assuming Duke's Kijin was unknown to the coaches but there's no reason to assume that. Why would he keep a Trump card hidden from the people in charge of helping him improve. This means he's effectively just a stronger Oni prior to Oni unlocking TnK.

And Oni is implied to have unlocked TnK against Kaji since he used GJK to beat him. When Oni first uses Demon on Kin, Byoudin says "The Oni who beat me 2 years ago has returned" which could imply several interpretations. But it could be read as Oni not improving much in 2 years. We know in-between Byoudins training and Tokugawa's arrival that Byoudin became the number 1 and Oni chose to remain at the camp. But again he claimed the 5 badge, not 2 or 3. Which would mean he had been widely surpassed at that point.

As for Kiritani, it's entirely possible he was also better than Oni. His only match we know is versus Ryoga who is expected to be Byoudin tier or more.

But we know that they always tied when they played against each other and that Oni hasn't used his Ki Jin in years. There's a great chance that Oni with Ki Jin is as good as number 2, then.

I'll organise my thoughts about this and make a thread later this weak. Not quite relevant rn.

Feel free to suggest match ups.

 

[Ganonslayer101]

Mares vs Ryoma
Ryoma also has TnK plus can use Nitoryu and has dealt with paralysis before. Would love to hear thoughts on this

 

[LetalHawk]

Mares vs Ryoma
Ryoma also has TnK plus can use Nitoryu and has dealt with paralysis before. Would love to hear thoughts on this

How would Ryoma deal with Mares paralysis? Kin couldn’t do anything for the entire match, but Ryoma has higher technique and versatility, I think he’d come up with something.

 

[mathematicianrcg]

When we say Ryoma. We are assuming Current Ryoma without Mid Match Evolution by Main Character right?

But it will be interesting.

Mares is in Bismarck Tier. Honestly, my hot take is Ryoma is not yet in their level.

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As for Kiritani, it's entirely possible he was also better than Oni. His only match we know is versus Ryoga who is expected to be Byoudin tier or more.

Yes. I think Kiratini is a Very Good Player.

Maybe as strong as Current Irie? Who knows.

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But we know that they always tied when they played against each other and that Oni hasn't used his Ki Jin in years. There's a great chance that Oni with Ki Jin is as good as number 2, then.

I'll organise my thoughts about this and make a thread later this weak. Not quite relevant rn.

Feel free to suggest match ups.

Hahahaha.

Japan G5 Members hiding techniques with each other.

Tanegashima kept his Kick Serve and Ultimate Void Hidden too. Lmao

Byoudouin hide his ability to use 8C.

While Duke and Oni sealed their Kijins.

Irie always hides his true power. Lmao.

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I
I think the most likely situation is the simplest one. The current Lineup at the time of the G10 challenge was accurate.

Duke and Oni are power players who can also play technically. And Both have a Kijin. We keep assuming Duke's Kijin was unknown to the coaches but there's no reason to assume that. Why would he keep a Trump card hidden from the people in charge of helping him improve. This means he's effectively just a stronger Oni prior to Oni unlocking TnK.

The reason we keep assuming Duke hid his Kijin is because of @Hardy theory that Coaches only gives 10 in a stat with Kijin.

For Ex: Byoudoins Pirate Kijin make his Mental stat a 10. Oni's Demon Kijin Make his Power Stat a 10.

Duke is only 7.

So, that will mean Buddha Kijin is Weak if it is only boosted the Power Stat of Duke to 7.
(Since Duke other stats are even lower)

So, we assumed Duke is 7 in power in his base.

Again, only if @Hardy theory of

(Kijin = 10 in stat) is true

 

[Hardy]

ROUND IS OVER

Spoiler: Winner

Oni Juujirou

33rd Round:

Let's follow Ganon's suggestion: can the current Ryoma perform as well against Mares as Kintarou did?

Picture	Mares Hardy May 7, 2024	Ryoma Hardy Oct 23, 2023
Name	Mares de Colón	Echizen Ryoma
Title	Sniper	The Prince of Tennis
Rank	Spain Representative (HSer Year 3)	No. 14 (Mser Year 1)
Height	-	152.5 cm
Weight	-	47kg
Dominant Hand	Right	Left
Playstyle	-	All Rounder
Stat Total	-	21
Speed	-	4
Power	-	3
Stamina	-	4
Mental	-	5
Technique	-	5
Techniques / Styles	Sniper Real Sniper Francotirador White Flame	Twist Serve COOL Drive Hyaku Ren Jitoku no Kiwami (not listed) Saiki Kanpatsu no Kiwami (not listed) Teni Muhou no Kiwami Samurai Drive Glowing Shot (not listed) Hope Ki Jin? (not listed) Super Drive B (not listed)

Ryoma's 10.5 profile.

Ryoma's Tenipuri Party profile.

Poll will be up on Wednesday.