Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011 - 2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Bomber D Rufi]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Out of curiosity, how are Gintama's sales from 2010 when the anime ended to now? I'd like to see if it's risen or dropped in comparison to Reborn.

 

[perroloco]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

@Bianchi:
What you said can be said about TONS of mangas, i.e. Prince of Tennis is known for being a fan-favorite for female readers and that didn't stopped it from being cancelled/ended. *Although it did continue on JUMP SQ*
In fact each generation has its fujoshi manga: Captain Tsubasa, Saint Seiya, to a certain extenct Jojo adopted a homo-erotic tone too, Yu Yu Hakusho, SLAM DUNK, Hoshin Engi, Prince of Tennis, and most mangas of now include at least one bitchy
Also Bianchi, with 40 or so volumes (I don't know the exact count) REBORN! already has more material than 90% or so of the mangas published, already plenty of story.
I am sure REBORN! won't be cancelled per see, but IMO its ending seems likely in the near future, but not a cancellation at all, an as you say it has a very stable fan-base, I'm sure if Amano would like to continue REBORN in any other magazine in the event it is cancelled/ends it will be given the OK.
I am not trying to be negative, I liked REBORN! for the first 4 or so volumes, before its shift to battle manga.. But everything has a peak in popularity REBORN! reached its peak 3 or so years ago, its anime has ended, its tank sales have lower a lot and the arcs haven't been too hot.
Also other thing it has against itself is that it doesn't appeal to other markets, I have heard that both Spain and USA have been having troubles with REBORN's license (AKA low sales), this is just an extra factor, take it just as that.

 

[ruggia]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

オリコン2009年年間コミック総合ランキング
コミック TOP200 調査期間：2008/12/01付～2009/11/30付(2008/11/17～2009/11/22)
Oricon 2009 Top 200
33　*592,537　 Gintama　26 空知英秋
35　*587,464　 Gintama　27 空知英秋
38　*561,582　 Gintama　28 空知英秋
44　*511,070　 Gintama　29 空知英秋
53　*,463,124　Gintama　30
68　*,383,700　Gintama　31

オリコン2010年上半期コミック
Oricon 2010 First Half Top 50
25　*,487,694　Gintama　32
32　*,440,078　Gintama　33
33　*,412,136　Gintama　34

順位/期間内推定売上部数/発売年月/タイトル
オリコン　2010年コミック総合TOP50
Oricon 2010 Top 100
53　*,513,709　10/01　Gintama 32
56　*,504,045　10/04　Gnitama 34
58　*,485,500　10/04　Gintama 33
61　*,473,551　10/08　Gintama 35
73　*,425,441　10/10　Gintama 36

オリコン 2011年上半期 累計売上
Oricon 2011 First Half Top 50
25　*498,420　 Gintama 37 空知英秋
26　*467,044　 Gintama 38 空知英秋
28　*464,048 　Gintama 39 空知英秋

Spoiler: For all Jump series (that made the list)

オリコン2009年年間コミック総合ランキング
コミック TOP200 調査期間：2008/12/01付～2009/11/30付(2008/11/17～2009/11/22)
Oricon 2009 Top 200
*1　2,057,528　ONE PIECE　53 尾田栄一郎
*2　1,963,696　ONE PIECE　54 尾田栄一郎
*3　1,952,551　ONE PIECE　52 尾田栄一郎
*4　1,810,410　ONE PIECE　55 尾田栄一郎
*9　1,222,356　NARUTO－ナルト－　45 岸本斉史
10　1,186,478　NARUTO－ナルト－　47 岸本斉史
12　1,119,917　NARUTO－ナルト－　46 岸本斉史
13　*996,398　 NARUTO－ナルト－　48 岸本斉史
14　*955,085　 BLEACH－ブリーチ－　36 久保帯人
15　*944,066　 BLEACH－ブリーチ－　37 久保帯人
16　*888,622　 BLEACH－ブリーチ－　38 久保帯人
18　*850,059　 BLEACH－ブリーチ－　40 久保帯人
19　*841,028　 BLEACH－ブリーチ－　39 久保帯人
22　*738,404　 BLEACH－ブリーチ－　41 久保帯人
27　*641,155　 家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN！　23 天野明
28　*636,506　 D.Gray-man　17 星野桂
29　*633,052　 家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN！　24 天野明
33　*592,537　 Gintama　26 空知英秋
34　*587,871　 家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN！　25 天野明
35　*587,464　 Gintama　27 空知英秋
38　*561,582　 Gintama　28 空知英秋
41　*525,802　 D.Gray-man　18 星野桂
42　*520,281　 家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN！　26 天野明
44　*511,070　 Gintama　29 空知英秋
51　*,480,004　09/03　Bakuman 2
52　*,466,162　09/01　Bakuman 1
53　*,463,124　09/09　Gintama 30
62　*,398,509　09/06　Bakuman 3
63　*,397,185　09/08　Bakuman 4
66　*,394,160　08/11　NARUTO-ナルト- 44
68　*,383,700　09/11　Gintama 31

オリコン2010年上半期コミック
Oricon 2010 First Half Top 50
*1　2,305,594　ONE PIECE　57
*2　2,276,013　ONE PIECE　56
*6　1,152,551　NARUTO-ナルト-　49
*7　1,119,029　NARUTO-ナルト-　50
*8　*,952,072　NARUTO-ナルト-　51
12　*,803,252　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　42
14　*,729,335　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　43
15　*,716,829　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　44
17　*,583,082　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN!　27
19　*,554,355　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN!　28
21　*,547,988　D.Gray-man　19
25　*,487,694　Gintama 32
26　*,486,435　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN!　29
32　*,440,078　Gintama　33
33　*,412,136　Gintama　34
34　*,406,073　Bakuman。　6
36　*,386,759　Bakuman。　7
39　*,347,297　Bakuman。　8
40　*,344,538　ONE PIECE 55

順位/期間内推定売上部数/発売年月/タイトル
オリコン　2010年コミック総合TOP50
Oricon 2010 Top 100 (cut off anything after 73)
*1　2,593,580　ONE PIECE　59
*2　2,578,730　ONE PIECE　57
*3　2,557,356　ONE PIECE　58
*4　2,492,183　ONE PIECE　60
*5　2,480,124　ONE PIECE　56
10　1,211,849　NARUTO-ナルト-　49
11　1,200,432　NARUTO-ナルト-　50
12　1,194,176　NARUTO-ナルト-　52
14　1,145,107　NARUTO-ナルト-　51
17　1,030,345　NARUTO-ナルト-　53
19　*,941,550　HUNTER×HUNTER　27
22　*,822,401　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　42
23　*,780,241　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　44
24　*,769,697　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　45
25　*,769,271　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　46
26　*,760,433　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　43
27　*,690,119　BLEACH-ブリーチ-　47
30　*,604,235　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN!　27
31　*,593,897　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN!　28
34　*,582,651　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN!　29
35　*,577,093　D.Gray-man　19
44　*,543,878　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN!　30
47　*,536,154　ONE PIECE　55
49　*,528,924　D.Gray-man　20
53　*,513,709　10/01　Gintama 32
56　*,504,045　10/04　Gnitama 34
57　*,494,515　10/01　Bakuman 6
58　*,485,500　10/04　Gintama 33
59　*,479,381　10/03　Bakuman 7
60　*,474,327　10/04　Bakuman 8
61　*,473,551　10/08　Gintama 35
66　*,451,930　10/10　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN! 31
67　*,449,449　09/06　ONE PIECE 54
68　*,448,247　10/08　Bakuman 9
69　*,446,743　97/12　ONE PIECE 1
73　*,425,441　10/10　Gintama 36



オリコン 2011年上半期 累計売上
Oricon 2011 First Half Top 50
*1　3,133,092　ONE PIECE 61 尾田栄一郎
*2　2,698,663　ONE PIECE 62 尾田栄一郎
*3　1,178,643　NARUTO－ナルト－ 54 岸本斉史
*6　*997,927　 NARUTO－ナルト－ 55 岸本斉史
*9　*822,941　 BLEACH－ブリーチ－ 48 久保帯人
11　*646,700　 BLEACH－ブリーチ－ 49 久保帯人
14　*604,485　 ONE PIECE 60 尾田栄一郎
17　*586,726　 Bakuman。 11 （原作）大場つぐみ／（画）小畑健
22　*526,455　 D.Gray-man 21 星野桂
24　*523,046　 Bakuman。 12 （原作）大場つぐみ／（画）小畑健
25　*498,420　 Gintama 37 空知英秋
26　*467,044　 Gintama 38 空知英秋
28　*464,048 　Gintama 39 空知英秋
29　*462,581 　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN！ 32 天野明
32　*424,355 　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN！ 33 天野明
33　*408,911 　ONE PIECE 59 尾田栄一郎
36　*381,424 　家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN！ 34 天野明
37　*380,967 　ONE PIECE 1 尾田栄一郎
40　*361,740 　ONE PIECE 2 尾田栄一郎
44　*354,777 　Nurarihyon no Mago 14 椎橋寛
45　*350,238 　ONE PIECE 3 尾田栄一郎
46　*345,097 　ONE PIECE 58 尾田栄一郎
48　*336,091 　ONE PIECE 4 尾田栄一郎
49　*333,209 　ONE PIECE 5 尾田栄一郎
50　*328,300　 Toriko 12 島袋光年

Looks like there was a slight drop from mid-20's to 30's, but 30's seem fairly stable

 

[Bomber D Rufi]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Nice to see that Gintama hasn't dropped too much, even with the anime being off the air for a year. At this point I don't see it gaining more fans, but its stabilization indicates for the most part that it is going to continue to be a force to be reckoned with for years to come.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

The most surprising thing is Reborn even dropped lower than D.Gray-man. D.Gray-man took many break, its anime ended, and it even move to monthly, so I thought its tank sales would drop more; on the other hand, Reborn going to stay solid because it keeps continue in weekly. However in reality, D.Gray-man didn't dropped that much and Reborn dropped pretty big.

 

[perroloco]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Ruggia thanks for the post, to tell the truth I am basing my posts on my previous experience with mangas similar to REBORN!
I.e. Saint Seiya and Prince of Tennis, both appealing to fujoshi, anime,movies, etc. Then anime adaptation ends manga still being published OVAs announced -although Hades OVAs were supposed to come in production 1990s or so they were cancelled- and then manga cancelled/ending, you can see the parallel.
But actually when it comes to data like that I AM A COMPLETE NOOB, Would you be so kind as to provide me of a web with data of tank sales? (Not only of REBORN, I'd like to check other titles as well )
As for GinTama (And any other manga) I ALWAYS wondered how certain volumes (I.e. ONE PIECE volume 23 IIRC or SLAM DUNK volume 20 IIRC) break records, I mean I think if I bought volume 23 I would buy 24.. Seems like certain Japanese DO buy their favorite tanks, I mean I would understand that for a comedy manga but ONE PIECE?
And now for the actual GinTama sales, there is a decline yeah, but I think it also has to do with the fact that volume 26 had been on sale more than volume 27 and this more than 28 and so on. So in my eyes its not really a decline, more like the other volumes had been more time on stores so they had sold more and eventually the newest volumes would be bought by the consumers.
Although it kinda shows a slow but steady decline in overall sales.
I don't know if I explained myself correctly, is really logical, the volume that has been longest on store SHOULD be the one that sells more (Unless by some chance somethign extremelly peculiar happens.. Dunno a very, very special chapter or something like that could happen)

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@Negative Syndicate:

I saw on comipress D-Gray had sold like 600,000 since its 7th volume, that's crazy! Just imagine if D-Gray had stayed on WSJ..
Personally I never got into it, I liked the first 4 or so volumes, I really liked Lenalee's design too (Especially how she looks on the cover of volume ..4 was it?) then.. Her hair!! (ENDS RANT)
Anyhow.. Maybe in the future a 26 episode anime could be made, its an already succesful series after all..
After Aoi No Exorcist its SQ biggest seller, isn't it?

Also IMO Gintama could very well be the next Kochikame.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

After Aoi No Exorcist its SQ biggest seller, isn't it?

Yes, D.Gray-man is currently second highest selling series in SQ. However, I wonder if Shin Prince of Tennis can take that place by boost from its anime.

 

[Bomber D Rufi]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Also IMO Gintama could very well be the next Kochikame.

I disagree. If you mean popularity wise, no way. I love Gintama, but it will never EVER be what Kochi kame is. If you mean length wise, that too is a negatory. Gintama's got maybe a year or two left before it ends. Recent events in the manga seem to indicate that Sorachi's ready to start wrapping things up.

 

[Asclepius]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

@perroloco - Lenalee's hair is long again. But we are at volume 22, a long way to catch up and... you have to survive chapter 187 and the Kanda arc.

Ao no Exorcist had a real boost from anime. It used to sell around 80k and after the anime, all volumes passed the 700k barrier. Amazing.
I hope D.Gray-man gets another season or a reboot. I would love to see chapter 187 animated.

 

[Zeromcd]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

I have a huge collection (800 volumes+) of the Shounen Jump Japanese Tankobon that I decided to go through and find out the amount of printings the volumes have had.

This does not directly represent how well a series sells, and most of these numbers are most likely not the current ones, as these were purchased sometime from 2010 December – 2011 March.

For example my Vol.1 of Muhyo to Roji is only on its 3rd printing, even though Vol.2 is on 14th so I somehow purchased an extremely old copy from my Kinokuniya >.>

You can find a huge list of all the series in the spoiler.

*Sorry, I don’t have I’s, Saint Seiya, KochiKame, Toriko, Pretty Face, Hikaru no Go or Death Note (yet)*

First Volume Printings!

Spoiler

Dragon Ball
1st Printing - 1985 September 15th
145th Printing - 2010 July 12th

One Piece
1st Printing - 1997 December 29th
100th Printing - 2011 February 15th

Slam Dunk
1st Printing - 1991 February 13th
84th Printing – 2010 December 12th

Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure
1st Printing – 1987 August 15th
80th Printing – 2010 November 10th

Yu Yu Hakusho
1st Printing – 1991 April 15th
70th Printing – 2010 June 12th

Rurouni Kenshin
1st Printing – 1994 September 7th
63rd Printing – 2009 February 11th

Naruto
1st Printing – 2000 March 8th
62nd Printing – 2010 July 25th

Bleach
1st Printing - 2002 January 10th
56th Printing - 2010 November 13th

Gintama
1st Printing – 2004 April 7th
54th Printing – 2010 November 13th

HUNTERXHUNTER
1st Printing – 1998 June 9th
51st Printing – 2010 June 12th

Jigoku Sensei Nube
1st Printing – 1994 January 16th
51st Printing – 2008 January 16th

Prince of Tennis
1st Printing – 2000 January 12th
47th Printing – 2010 July 12th

Rookies!
1st Printing – 1998 June 9th
44th Printing – 2009 September 12th

Pyu-To-Fuku! Jaguar
1st Printing – 2001 September 9th
43rd Printing – 2009 October 12th

Kateikyoushi Hitman Reborn!
1st Printing – 2004 October 9th
42nd Printing – 2010 September 12th

Shaman King
1st Printing - 1998 December 8th
39th Printing 2009 December 12th

Yu-Gi-Oh
1st printing – 1997 March 9th
38th printing – 2010 July 12th

Houshin Engi
1st Printing -1996 November 6th
36th Printing -2008 March 12th

Black Cat
1st Printing – 2001 January 11th
35th Printing – March 12th

D.Gray-Man
1st Printing – 2004 October 9th
33rd Printing – 2010 July 12th

Eyeshield 21
1st Printing – 2002 December 25th
29th Printing -2009 April 12th

Ichigo 100%
1st Printing – 2002 August 7th
27th Printing – 2009 October 12th

Mr. Fullswing
1st Printing - 2001 November 7th
24th Printing - 2005 December 13th

Bobobo-Bo-Bo-Bo-Bobo
1st Printing – 2001 July 9th
21st Printing – 2004 May 29th

Nurarihyon no Mago
1st Printing – 2008 September 9th
19th Printing – 2010 September 30th

Sket Dance
1st Printing – 2007 November 7th
18th Printing – 2010 July 14th

To Love Ru
1st Printing – 2006 November 7th
17th Printing – 2009 February 7th

Bakuman
1st Printing – 2009 January 10th
16th Printing – 2010 October 31st

Majin Tantei Nougami Neuro
1st Printing - 2005 July 9th
16th Printing - 2007 September 17th

Lilim Kiss
1st Printing – 2001 May 6th
15th Printing – 2009 June 10th

Kuroko no Basket
1st Printing – 2008 August 8th
14th Printing – 2010 September 30th

Mx0
1st Printing – 2006 November 7th
13th Printing – 2008 July 12th

Beelzebub
1st Printing – 2009 July 8th
12th Printing – 2010 October 13th

Busou Renkin
1st Printing – 2004 January 10th
11th Printing – 2008 January 16th

Inumaru Dashi
1st Printing - 2009 February 9th
10th Printing - 2010 October 13th

Hatsukoi Limited
1st Printing – 2008 February 9th
9th Printing – 2009 June 6th

Psyren
1st Printing – 2008 May 7th
8th Printing – 2009 June 13th

Medaka Box
1st Printing – 2009 October 7th
3rd Printing – 2009 November 14th

 

[redon]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

One Piece.

1st Printing - 1997 December 29th
100th Printing - 2011 February 15th

 

[Zangetsu01]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Hate giving bad news...

Enigma ending this week, last chapter + popularity poll results published later (Jump Next ?)


New Gag Manga in the Jump #49 (14/11)
Genson! Kodai Seibutsushi Pakky By Retsu

 

[Muddy]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

New Komi Naoshi series... at long last. I'm kinda feeling an Ashirogi Muto scenario here, though, where he tries a romance/comedy series while his true forte is fantasy adventure; but I may be wrong. Despite my general misgivings, I did quite enjoy the one-shot.

 

[Zeromcd]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

With Enigma now over 2010 has officially became the worst year in Weekly Shounen Jump History.

I went back and looked at the length of every new series that began in Shounen Jump from 1968 until now and never has their been a year with their longest series as short as Enigma.

This could be kind of positive for Enigma, Busou Renkin that began in 2003 was cancelled as the longest running series of its year and was later giving a Anime.

Maybe Enigma might get a Anime to cover up how bad a year it was?

 

[R4n]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

well... this is very painful. I enjoy Enigma a lot and have high hopes for its future... *sigh* ;__;
I hope Sakaki-sensei comes back with better series (and better luck too).

...now i know how Psyren's fans felt. Except they were put on edge much longer.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

I feel like Pakky going to be permanent bottom dweller.

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Maybe Enigma might get a Anime to cover up how bad a year it was?

I don't think so. Busou Renkin did last longer and has more popularity than Enigma. So, I don't think Enigma will be popular enough to get an anime.

 

[Samui]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

So is there still a 2010 manga that wasn't cancelled yet? Other than Stars?

 

[raDar]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

So is there still a 2010 manga that wasn't cancelled yet? Other than Stars?

No there's not, Enigma is the last. And ST&RS is 2011, btw.

 

[Divinenega]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

I;m really sad to see Enigma go. It had a lot of potential, even if it was clear that she was rushing the second act a lot. I really hope she learns from the experience and comes back with a new series in the future.

Overall I guess 2010 really was a failure for JUMP. Though I imagine it will make the next year or two rather awkward as far as JUMP anime adaptions go considering Magico seems and possibly Harisgawa are the only things that may surivive long enough to get animated...we may end up getting rushed adaptions again if JUMP is desperate enough. Either that or they may just dust off something.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 2

Overall I guess 2010 really was a failure for JUMP. Though I imagine it will make the next year or two rather awkward as far as JUMP anime adaptions go considering Magico seems and possibly Harisgawa are the only things that may surivive long enough to get animated...we may end up getting rushed adaptions again if JUMP is desperate enough. Either that or they may just dust off something.

It is too early to consider Magico and Harisugawa to get since they didn't even reached one year yet. I think there going to be at least one year blank for anime adaptation from now on, unless they decide to reboot, start second season, or animate the old ones.