Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011 - 2012] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Negative Syndicate]

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This week's Jump Comic Sales:

01. Bakuman。#16 (343,178)
03. Katekyo Hitman Reborn! #37 (234,799)
04. Shin Tennis no Oujisama #7 (223,590)
08. Houkago no Oujisama #2 (66,780)
11. Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa #1 (44,215)
15. One Piece #64 (28,977 / 2,943,833)
39. Bleach #53 (15,588 / 555,073)

 

[Jaymie]

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I don't mean to bring this conversation back up, but I think it's amazing how Bleach used to sell 600,000 copies in its first week, and now it looks like it will take another month for Bleach 53 to even reach that mark. Reborn! also fell hard.

Harisugawa's sales are amazing for a new series.

 

[Haato]

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woot! Very happy that Harisugawa's sold so well so far XD I hope it continues to do well~

not much else to say, really, the ranking is sort of typical lol good week imo x3

 

[Kaiten]

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A ten year old series that declined in sales over a year ago but has since stabilized is hardly an interesting topic. Bleach bashing is so 2008. Yawn. Moving on.

Good start for Kagami. A new series selling 44,125 copies it's first week is great by any standard. That compares well to Mago and is better than Medaka. Unfortunately 44,125 is also comparable to Double Arts, and we all know how that went. If Kagami can maintain it's current rankings until volume two comes out I think it will last a nice, long time. If it's rankings crash now then sales will not be enough to save it. Not yet anyway.

 

[Krono]

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I don't mean to bring this conversation back up, but I think it's amazing how Bleach used to sell 600,000 copies in its first week, and now it looks like it will take another month for Bleach 53 to even reach that mark. Reborn! also fell hard.

Hazards of dragging out arcs until fans are fatigued I guess. It'll be interesting to see if they stabilize at this level, or continue to fall over the next year.

Harisugawa's sales are amazing for a new series.

True, though it's a new series by a returning author that has achieved some measure of success in the past. That gives it a bit of an advantage over series whose author has never had anything serialized before.

 

[Asarii]

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Since we had two double issues in a row, I forgot that things go back to normal this week.

I only look at Sket Dance's ranking now to determine if the TOC is good or not. This week is good.

I'm not digging the Arcobaleno arc since it's pretty much fighting for the sake of fighting. Battles aren't Reborn's strong point so its position makes sense.

 

[Goral]

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Manga with color pages aren't included in the ranking, as they are deliberately placed there for the print and highlighting.

Then why One Piece is BEFORE Gintama? If it wasn't in the ranking it should be in the top, shouldn't it?

 

[Josl]

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Then why One Piece is BEFORE Gintama? If it wasn't in the ranking it should be in the top, shouldn't it?

Series that have the cover BUT not a color page are usually around that spot.
Here are two examples:
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/190819.html#comments
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/183044.html#comments
The logic behind it is very easy. You cannot have a series that is on the cover somewhere out of the top 5. Therefore like the lead CP or CPs in general they are not seen as "ranked" by the majority of the people.

 

[Estranho]

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Series that have the cover BUT not a color page are usually around that spot.
Here are two examples:
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/190819.html#comments
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/183044.html#comments
The logic behind it is very easy. You cannot have a series that is on the cover somewhere out of the top 5. Therefore like the lead CP or CPs in general they are not seen as "ranked" by the majority of the people.

Not quite true. We have plenty of examples of series with the cover but they are out of "top 5". Making a quick search in the Livejournal's group, I've found these:
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/2008/11/05/
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/2008/11/12/
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/2008/10/22/
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/2009/03/04/
http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/2009/01/21/

And I can recall some other examples by memory, but couldn't find, sorry.

So, this proves there's no pattern at all.
And not having a pattern it's a hint that the series with cover but no color page is ranked, as we can see that a series with the cover is usually around the place that its been placed in previous weeks (D.Gray-man in the fourth link is a loud example of it).

 

[Asgaroth]

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This week's Jump Comic Sales:

11. Kagami no Kuni no Harisugawa #1 (44,215)
15. One Piece #64 (28,977 / 2,943,833)

Yeah Kagami beat One Piece ^^
(it's just a joke... )

 

[Kubukurin]

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ST&RS sold less than 13.000 copies, now the axe is sure, imho with Magico and two new series will start probabily in issue 9 and 10..

And I hope the Mago's color page is for a third season! **

 

[Goral]

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(...)
So, this proves there's no pattern at all.
And not having a pattern it's a hint that the series with cover but no color page is ranked, as we can see that a series with the cover is usually around the place that its been placed in previous weeks (D.Gray-man in the fourth link is a loud example of it).

Exactly. So the most logical conclusion is - Gintama is 2nd in this week's ranking.

 

[Zeromcd]

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Here are the sale numbers for the new series that have began in Weekly Shounen Jump since 2008.

The numbers in the brackets () next to the sales numbers indicate how many days the volume was on sale for.

│154676 (7)┃*,503,*** (399)┃2009/01｜Bakuman 1
│*69177 (6)┃*,161,360 (*48)┃2008/11｜Toriko 1
│*54618 (3)┃*,109,581 (*24)┃2009/12｜Anedoki 1
│*51163 (3)┃*,121,788 (*31)┃2009/07｜Beelzebub 1
│*48495 (7)┃*,*68,710 (*28)┃2008/08｜Nurarihyon no Mago 1
│*44215 (5)┃*,*44,215 (**5)┃2012/01│Kagami no kuni no Harisugawa 1
│*40644 (7)┃*,*40,644 (**7)┃2008/08│ Double Arts 1
│*32023 (7)┃*,*32,023 (**7)┃2011/07｜magico 1
│*23980 (7)┃*,*33,845 (*14)┃2008/08│ Barihaken 1
│*20445 (3)┃*,*45,784 (*24)┃2009/04｜Kuroko no Basket 1
│*15472 (3)┃*,*98,639 (*66)┃2009/10｜Medaka Box 1
│*15421 (3)┃*,*24,640 (*10)┃2009/10｜AKABOSHI 1
│*14496 (4)┃*,*14,496 (**4)┃2010/02｜Hokenshitsu no Shinigami 1
│*12384 (3)┃*,*20,617 (*10)┃2010/06｜Yotsuya-Senpai 1
│*12287 (5)┃*,*12,287 (**5)┃2009/02｜Inumaru Dashi 1
│**9216 (3)┃*,*18,967 (*10)┃2009/05│ Bokke-san 1
│**8529 (4)┃*,**8,529 (**4)┃2010/02｜Kashikoi Inu Ririentaru 1


│** (3)┃*,**, (---)┃2008/05｜PSYREN 1
│** (3)┃*,** (---)┃2011/12 ｜Kurogane 1
│** (4)┃*,**, (---)┃2010/11｜Oumagadoki Doubutsuen 1
│** (5)┃*,**, (---)┃2011/01｜ENIGMA 1
│** (7)┃*,** (---)┃2011/11 ｜ST&RS 1

 

[Asgaroth]

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Here are the sale numbers for the new series that have began in Weekly Shounen Jump since 2008.

The numbers in the brackets () next to the sales numbers indicate how many days the volume was on sale for.

│154676 (7)┃*,503,*** (399)┃2009/01｜Bakuman 1
│*69177 (6)┃*,161,360 (*48)┃2008/11｜Toriko 1
│*54618 (3)┃*,109,581 (*24)┃2009/12｜Anedoki 1

wow, it sold really well!? did the second/third fallen or why did they cancle it?

 

[Zeromcd]

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wow, it sold really well!? did the second/third fallen or why did they cancle it?

│*56282 (4)┃*,80,060 (*11)┃2010/02｜Anedoki 2
│*43462 (3)┃*,75,841 (*10)┃2010/04｜Anedoki 3

Anedoki was cancelled 1-2 weeks after the first volume was released due to low rankings in the questionnaire polls.

 

[Westlo]

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And the funny thing is that not a single volume from a series after Anedoki has sold better than it did, which just sums up how awful new series in Jump have been doing the last few years.... Harisugawa though may be the one to finally do it and even that isn't exactly a ratings darling atm.

 

[Haato]

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Maybe Jump readers are just sick of all these new series that are being thrown at them so they're just skipping over them in the mag so thus not voting for them, and Jump itself seems to be pumping out the new series until it can find an instant hit, lol when will this madness end?! xD

 

[MIhata]

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Maybe Jump readers are just sick of all these new series that are being thrown at them so they're just skipping over them in the mag so thus not voting for them, and Jump itself seems to be pumping out the new series until it can find an instant hit, lol when will this madness end?! xD

When Jump find an instant hit, simple as that. : )>

 

[Bomber D Rufi]

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Fake

Thought so. I haven't seen that report anywhere. Just that he beat his personal best. Which means it could very well go back on hiatus in another 9-10 weeks. Back to biting my nails~

 

[Zeromcd]

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Jump Issue #08 Preview

Cover/Lead CP: Sket Dance
Center Colour: Reborn!, Nurarihyon no Mago, Doppeler (Oneshot, 47 pages)
Absent - Bleach

- Jump Issue #09 and #10 will also contain oneshots

- It is extremely likely that new series will begin on Issue #12