Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

[come come paradise]

i am usually the one who criticize khr, but i have to disagree with you on this one. ^^

Assuming you are talking about chapter 300-301 and 'his appearance', it is not a desperate move from Amano to gain votes imo. Actually, his appearance had been overshadowed from beginning and is a crucial part of the plot. He will shows up no matter what.
And honestly, what do you mean by 'fanservice' . Khr is a... peculiar manga in which it becomes 'fanservice' without trying too hard for it. I am talking about the character design and their fashion sense. Series like Fairy Tail has more blatantly obvious attempted fanservices than khr hahaha

If Amano deliberately want to do fanservice she might as well throw everybody into the hot springs (she already did this btw) and gives them cat ears or something xDD

I disagree; there are few series as laden with fanservice as KHR is. But as you said it's not the same kind of fanservice as FT, of course you get a bit of lolis and boobs here and there but it's mostly female-oriented fanservice, aka pretty boys in pretty clothes being all gay for each other (which makes my day, no denying it ). Maybe you don't exactly see it but for example Hibari's box-weapon is fan-service in itself, I don't see any reason for it other than make the fangirls go "kawaii ~~!!" Same with Tsuna calling Enma his pride. Or Mukuro and his "cute Chrome"s. Or.. Yeah, you get the picture.

Not exactly sure who's reappearance you were talking about, but if it's Mukuro, I only agree to some extent - yes he was bound to appear soon, but not as soon as he did. There was no reason for him to appear then (except wrap up the arc, which I still don't get), and it seemed very sudden. Seemed like a last desperate attempt to get KHR out of the bottom to me.



@Asclepius: Thanks for the precision, but if Finestela says the katakana spell out Ma-ji-ko, then I guess that's how it's meant to be pronounced =)

 

[BianchiChrome]

Hello!

I don't believe that Amano is doing anything to try boost the rankings for Reborn! one way or another. If she was then she would have thrown in the Varia at some point during the fight but they were only at the Inheritance Ceremony at the beginning and Fran's cameo does not count. I feel that she is telling the story the way that she wants with this arc because she wants it to go the way it is going. I think that is what is making it interesting.

No matter what Hibari does it is going to be fan service in some sort of way because so many fans like him. I don't see Mukuro coming in at the time that he did as some sort of way to get the ranking up. It was just the time for him to fight. I believe that each of the fights have been to help each guardian to take the position that they were meant to fill within the family.

I also believe that Amano likes the Simon family. I think that she will do much to show who their true selves are after this part of the arc is over. I feel that this is the introduction to a much bigger arc that is to come.

I am glad to see the rankings getting stronger. Now could they just do the anime soon.

 

[R4n]

@ ccp: haha how could i forget pompadourbird. Ah okay that is fanservice-y. xD
But i still think khr level of fanservice is fairly tame as compared to other series... both shoujo and shounen. i still won't label it fanservice manga.

Spoiler

from what i see Mukuro's sudden appearance is just nice. I don't feel the arc is being wrapped abruptly at all... except the beginning of tyl arc khr is usually fast-paced anyway.
My bias tell me that i just want the arc got wrapped asap. Mukuro's appearance makes sense anyway because following the order of the guardian's fight either the mist or the sky will be next. I totally can't see Mukuro appearing later than that.

and i still think khr is quite crappy in terms of plot anyway (i am comparing it to Pluto and Real. Btw anyone please don't say it is unfair to compare it to seinen. i think definition of good plot shouldn't be bound by genre... otherwise one would be implying shounen has crappier plot than seinen. Which is unjustified), so i am not one of those rabid, blind fandumbs.

 

[come come paradise]

Hello!

I don't believe that Amano is doing anything to try boost the rankings for Reborn! one way or another. If she was then she would have thrown in the Varia at some point during the fight but they were only at the Inheritance Ceremony at the beginning and Fran's cameo does not count. I feel that she is telling the story the way that she wants with this arc because she wants it to go the way it is going. I think that is what is making it interesting.

No matter what Hibari does it is going to be fan service in some sort of way because so many fans like him. I don't see Mukuro coming in at the time that he did as some sort of way to get the ranking up. It was just the time for him to fight. I believe that each of the fights have been to help each guardian to take the position that they were meant to fill within the family.

I also believe that Amano likes the Simon family. I think that she will do much to show who their true selves are after this part of the arc is over. I feel that this is the introduction to a much bigger arc that is to come.

I am glad to see the rankings getting stronger. Now could they just do the anime soon.

Now now, every author in Jump has to be careful of rankings, I'm sure Amano has enough humility to realize that ^^" And good thing the Varia didn't appear, now that would've been over the top. Still not putting it past her. I was already meh about the Kokuyo gang.

In any case, we see the result: good rankings. That's something to be happy about

@ ccp: haha how could i forget pompadourbird. Ah okay that is fanservice-y. xD
But i still think khr level of fanservice is fairly tame as compared to other series... both shoujo and shounen. i still won't label it fanservice manga.

Spoiler

from what i see Mukuro's sudden appearance is just nice. I don't feel the arc is being wrapped abruptly at all... except the beginning of tyl arc khr is usually fast-paced anyway.
My bias tell me that i just want the arc got wrapped asap. Mukuro's appearance makes sense anyway because following the order of the guardian's fight either the mist or the sky will be next. I totally can't see Mukuro appearing later than that.

and i still think khr is quite crappy in terms of plot anyway (i am comparing it to Pluto and Real. Btw anyone please don't say it is unfair to compare it to seinen. i think definition of good plot shouldn't be bound by genre... otherwise one would be implying shounen has crappier plot than seinen. Which is unjustified), so i am not one of those rabid, blind fandumbs.

Say what you want, I think Enma's shirt opening every time he uses an attack is the equivalent of Mashima's upskirt shots xP It's just a different kind of fanservice.

Spoiler

What I hated about it is that Amano had been teasing us with a Jailbreak arc for so long - who wasn't expecting it? I thought Mukuro's reappearance belonged there. And instead we get a quick wrap-up and resolution. Which seemed even quicker when compared to how much chapters the setting-up of this arc took.

The plot... Yeah, it is a bit de-structured. Okay, a lot xD But what saves it is that Amano has some truly brilliant ideas from time to time, you've got to give her that.



Tl;dr - I think KHR's fanservice has direct effects on its TOC ranks, and vice-versa. Well that's how I'm explaining its recent rise anyway.

 

[xRyStaRx]

Well bottom 5 is reasonable, Sengoku armors is fine, but can't see it to become anything big, since whole theme is overused (Sengoku), i'm still bit suprised about Torikos popularity, ive only read few of the latest chapters and currently watching the anime, so far it's good, but i wouldn't put it better place than OP/naruto/Reborn or even bleach.

 

[R4n]

Spoiler

What I hated about it is that Amano had been teasing us with a Jailbreak arc for so long - who wasn't expecting it? I thought Mukuro's reappearance belonged there. And instead we get a quick wrap-up and resolution. Which seemed even quicker when compared to how much chapters the setting-up of this arc took.

i didn't and i don't
in fact i am actually grateful it doesn't get to that expected arc at all.

i agree that the beginning of the arc seems draggy and painfully boring tho'

p.s. i think we had gone off topic.

 

[kewl0210]

Toriko's doing great, and it's well deserved.
It's worth noting that this week corresponds to the week a couple days after the 2nd episode of anime came out. Last weeks where it was #1 also corresponded to the week the 1st episode came out. Which is probably what pushed its popularity to #1.

Rest of the TOC looks fine. Enigma isn't really a Jump-ish manga, it falls into the cult category. But it's doing well enough to not get canceled. Also its nearing the finale of its first big arc now, and all the main characters have had their introductions and all. So it'll probably do better from here.
Nice to see Magico doing well. And Bleach is about where it should be.

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Good ToC.

Things have beaten One Piece before so I really don't think it means a whole lot, sometimes it just gets second place.

 

[Rejuvenation]

Medaka is out of the bottom 5 again and above Bleach as well. That makes my day. Sket has a pretty good ranking as well being just above Medaka. I'll look forward to its color pages next week.

Reborn is too high. Outside of Spade, this entire arc has been trash. Bleach is still on the low side which is very much deserved. But the pimping for it seems to have begun again unfortunately.

Nice to see Toriko and One Piece take the top 2 spots. Thats great in my book and even though it feels like Bakuman is being dragged out now, its good to see it reach the top 5 still.

 

[OPN]

nice toc. its great that medaka is out of the bottom five since im finally caught up and its a great series. reborn also deserves its spot though its probably due to his appearence... toriko beating op doesnt really surprise me since toriko has been pretty great lately.

 

[Finestela]

Magico is also getting additional pages (total 33P) along with the center CP.

 

[k-dom]

Why is everyone explaining One Piece second place with the flashback. It was only 7 chapters long. I think the one ranked here is the one before the fight of Zoro underwater, so expect One Piece at top again next week... next 2 weeks

 

[Drmke]

Also people who vote for One Piece know One Piece isn't in any danger if they don't vote for it one week to vote for another series they think is doing really well. I'd do the same thing that way I can support series that I like that need my support. I wouldn't even be shocked to see One Piece fall to third or fourth during a week where it was setting up the story (instead of super exciting plot moving portions) and three series that were exceptional that week beating it. Hell, I'd be all for that.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

Regarding my comment: my comment about fanservice has nothing to do with the plot or foreshadowing. It's merely that certain characters lead to more votes and notice for a series than others, even if that's obviously what the mangaka was planning. It may be part of a plan, but the problem is that the voters tend to notice the character more than notice the plot twist or the importance of what is going on. And that leads to votes. I don't think Amano did it deliberately, I'm just noting how Reborn would jump up how it did when it did if you look at when they were voting, particularly with how the series has been ranking prior to then.

 

[Jaymie]

Enigma.

Next week should be better though. Chapter 28 was pretty decent. The next mini-arc was pretty typical, but the current mini-arc, the climax of the first big arc, should bring its ranking back up.

I'm more worried about Sengoku...

 

[juUnior]

Also people who vote for One Piece know One Piece isn't in any danger if they don't vote for it one week to vote for another series they think is doing really well. I'd do the same thing that way I can support series that I like that need my support.

But if everyone would think like that, OP would definitely rank lower <maybe when OP is in second position or sth its that ppl are thinking that way and not that the chapter itself was weak >

 

[Drmke]

But if everyone would think like that, OP would definitely rank lower <maybe when OP is in second position or sth its that ppl are thinking that way and not that the chapter itself was weak >

They won't though, these are kids we're talking about Plus even if they did, I think selling 2 million copies for each volume makes you exempt from cancellation

 

[jorped]

I am going to see what is going to happen when we get the Tocs referring to One Piece flashback. Though the flashback was good, i think that One Piece won't deserve to be in first, so if One Piece manages to stay in first at those tocs i will my faith in the ones that vote.

I want for once to see Naruto beating One Piece
And i think that for example the latest chapters of Toriko, some of them might have been more interesting than One Piece's.

 

[OPN]

oh ya i almost forgot about magico read chapter one and forgot to look at the rest. it was pretty good. it felt like a parody of harem shows so i really need to read more. i still need to read engima.

 

[[Cross]]

I am going to see what is going to happen when we get the Tocs referring to One Piece flashback. Though the flashback was good, i think that One Piece won't deserve to be in first, so if One Piece manages to stay in first at those tocs i will my faith in the ones that vote.

I think you're putting too much faith in the votes of children