Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

[BBB Banana]

I am going to see what is going to happen when we get the Tocs referring to One Piece flashback. Though the flashback was good, i think that One Piece won't deserve to be in first, so if One Piece manages to stay in first at those tocs i will my faith in the ones that vote.

I want for once to see Naruto beating One Piece
And i think that for example the latest chapters of Toriko, some of them might have been more interesting than One Piece's.

Since when were they trustworthy? We are talking about the kids who voted for Bleach for years and only now stoped to do so

 

[Asclepius]

I want for once to see Naruto beating One Piece
And i think that for example the latest chapters of Toriko, some of them might have been more interesting than One Piece's.

Oh, if you read old ToCs since 2006, you will see that Naruto was the only one to beat OP a few times a year, not considering color pages. That's why i posted that Toriko was making history, cause i don't remember any onther manga beside Naruto that was on number 1 with OP in second place.
By the way, those graphics posted weeks ago don't discard color pages.

 

[Geddy]

Oh, if you read old ToCs since 2006, you will see that Naruto was the only one to beat OP a few times a year, not considering color pages. That's why i posted that Toriko was making history, cause i don't remember any onther manga beside Naruto that was on number 1 with OP in second place.
By the way, those graphics posted weeks ago don't discard color pages.

Not at all, that's is inaccurate, and Naruto is far from being unique there. As the previous poster said, it happens once in a while. Nothing to worry about since OP's popularity and votes aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/
http://hamada.tsukaeru.info/jump/
Bakuman alone has done it 3 times in the last 6 months, Bleach has done so in the past and if I'm not mistaken, I remember even Gintama outdoing One Piece one time, last year.

 

[Asclepius]

Not at all, that's is inaccurate, and Naruto is far from being unique there. As the previous poster said, it happens once in a while. Nothing to worry about since OP's popularity and votes aren't going anywhere anytime soon.

http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/
http://hamada.tsukaeru.info/jump/
Bakuman alone has done it 3 times in the last 6 months, Bleach has done so in the past and if I'm not mistaken, I remember even Gintama outdoing One Piece one time, last year.

Those rankings add the lead color page into rankings, we discuss pure rankings here. All those second places of OP from the japanese link add the color page into ranking.
If we do the pure rankings, OP was only beaten by Naruto as far as i can remember. And it happens less than 5 times a year usually.

To make things more clear, that ranking from the website states the issue #1 as this:
1-Gintana
2-OP
3-Naruto
4-Bleach

That's incorrect. Cause Gintana and Bleach had color pages, so they are unranked. We don't consider them in the pure ranking.

Toc posted by Ohana oabout issue #1:
Issue 1:
Gintama (Lead CP)
One Piece
Naruto
Bleach (CP)
Toriko
Sket Dance

So, pure ranking is:
Issue 1:
1-One Piece
2-Naruto
3-Toriko
4-Sket Dance

Now i think everyone can see what i am talking about with the examples.

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In pure rankings, Bakuman didn't have a number one nor did Gintana.
Edit: i mean, number one with OP and Naruto ranked. They probably had a number 1 when OP and Naruto weren't ranked.

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Nurarihyon no Mago's beaten it before, IIRC.

It certainly is rare for things that aren't Naruto to top One Piece, but it's not unprecedented

 

[Asclepius]

Nurarihyon no Mago's beaten it before, IIRC.

It certainly is rare for things that aren't Naruto to top One Piece, but it's not unprecedented

It was a lead color page too. Mago was never number one in pure ranking.

 

[Pirulito]

You are incorrect, Asclepius.
Gintama, Bleach, Naruto... all of them have beaten One Piece before. Check some issues:
#Issue 31 - 2009.
#Issue 49 - 2010

 

[Asclepius]

You are incorrect, Asclepius.
Gintama, Bleach, Naruto... all of them have beaten One Piece before. Check some issues:
#Issue 31 - 2009.
#Issue 49 - 2010

Issue 49 - 2010 - Naruto unranked cause of color page.
1-Bleach
2-OP

Issue 31 - 2009 - Naruto unranked cause of color page.
1- Gintana
2- OP

So it did happen once for Gintana and once for Bleach without Naruto in the ranking.
There is that feeling that it wouldn't have happened if Naruto didn't have a color page...

You posted while i was explaining about my statement having OP and Naruto in the ranking. I'm slow. >_<

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But, yes, you are correct, Gintama and Bleach beat OP. I just don't value that number one without Naruto ranked.

 

[Pirulito]

I forgot to post that Beelzebub and Bakuman have beaten One Piece before too. But I understand your point of view, Asclepius. But, think about it, if they could beat OP, possibly, they could beat Naruto as well.

 

[Asclepius]

Oh, i saw the Bakuman number 1 over OP and Naruto was unranked.
But, yeah you guys are correct, it happened once so far. Issue 48.

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I forgot to post that Beelzebub and Bakuman have beaten One Piece before too. But I understand your point of view, Asclepius. But, think about it, if they could beat OP, possibly, they could beat Naruto as well.

Have you seen Naruto ranking in that time? Almost all number 1's (OP on break) and number 2's (with OP)
So, i don't agree with you.

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No one found the issue 35-2010 to tell me that Torico has done it before with Naruto in the rankings. ¬¬
So it's not so much history anymore. This one alone breaks my statement in all points.

 

[Geddy]

Those rankings add the lead color page into rankings, we discuss pure rankings here. All those second places of OP from the japanese link add the color page into ranking.
If we do the pure rankings, OP was only beaten by Naruto as far as i can remember. And it happens less than 5 times a year usually.

Once again, that's incorrect. I am speaking about pure rankings. Had you took the time to actually follow the links, you'd see that indeed Bakuman outranked One Piece without relying on color pages, 3 times on the last 8 months, as well as Gintama and Bleach in the past.

Hell, the last time this happened is recorded in the very first page of one of the links I gave you:

Issue #12:
Meruhen Ouji Grim a.k.a Prince of Fairy Tale "Grim" (Cover, New Series)(Lead Color Page)
Naruto
Bakuman
One Piece
etc etc

Naruto is far from unique in being able to do so, it happens once in a while, nothing new there.

 

[Asclepius]

Once again, that's incorrect. I am speaking about pure rankings. Had you took the time to actually follow the links, ...

Have you read my posts after that? I already admitted i was wrong.

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And thanks for the discussion, it was fun.

 

[tk_rout]

On this week's TOC, is Toriko or One Piece even ranked ?
From WSJ's official site, one can see the following series are mentioned separately.
Naruto, Kochikame, Ginatama, Toriko, Sket dance, One piece.

I know the 1st three have colour pages while last three don't, but have end of flashback or arc whatever. Would they be mentioned separately if they were ranked ? So I guess there is no conformation if Toriko, SD, OP ranked. In the magazine also I guess the above six would be mentioned separately but we don't have scan of TOC.

http://weeklyjump.livejournal.com/
http://hamada.tsukaeru.info/jump/

The 1st link isn't a reliable source. The 2nd one is. I know many English sites/blog rely on the info posted here at mangahelpers for TOC , but they can be incorrect sometimes. Sometimes because ohana makes little mistakes here and there . Last year out of 1st 35 issues TOC posted four issues had some inaccuracies , though later they were fixed in 1st post. In this regard, many Japanese blogs are reliable as they actually get the magazine. It was nice when scan of TOC page was posted here. Which was nearly 1 and 1/2 year ago.

 

[ZayCon]

Hisashi Sasaki twitter:
- Lunch with HORIKOSHI-sensei, who recently ended serialization of Ohmagadoki-Zoo.
- Already started working on new one shot manga, so we can see this very gifted mangaka`s new work pretty soon.

Yeaah!

 

[BBB Banana]

I you guys want perfect info about TOC Iceiphoenix always makes a table with all issues in the year and adds every new issue that's out. Ask her and you guys can see how many times OP has been surpassed as well as all color pages info.

 

[CannedJam]

You go, Beelzebub! By far my favourite manga in Jump right now! 7-8 weeks ago was Hilda's rage, right? These past few chapters are enough to warrant a #2 spot. ;D

 

[Drmke]

Yeah One Piece gets beat form time to time...

Spoiler

Issue 11, 2008 - Naruto
Issue 18, 2008 - Reborn
Issue 19, 2008 - Naruto
Issue 20, 2008 - Naruto
Issue 21, 2008 - Bleach
Issue 22, 2008 - Bleach
Issue 28, 2008 - Naruto
Issue 30, 2008 - Naruto
Issue 31, 2008 - Naruto
Issue 35, 2008 - Bleach
Issue 36, 2008 - Naruto
Issue 38, 2008 - Bleach
Issue 44, 2008 - Naruto
Issue 45, 2008 - Gintama
Issue 02, 2009 - Naruto
Issue 13, 2009 - Naruto
Issue 28, 2009 - Naruto
Issue 29, 2009 - Naruto
Issue 31, 2009 - Gintama
Issue 32, 2009 - Naruto
Issue 36, 2009 - Naruto
Issue 45, 2009 - Naruto
Issue 46, 2009 - Bleach
Issue 48, 2009 - Gintama
Issue 03, 2010 - Beelzebub
Issue 11, 2010 - Naruto
Issue 17, 2010 - Naruto
Issue 18, 2010 - Beelzebub
Issue 35, 2010 - Naruto (Also notable that Mago was second leaving One Piece in third)
Issue 48, 2010 - Naruto
Issue 49, 2010 - Bleach
Issue 12, 2011 - Naruto (Bakuman in second, One Piece in third)
Issue 13, 2011 - Naruto
Issue 25, 2011 - Toriko

So yeah mostly Naruto since 08 but just now are newer series starting to blossom. 06/07 had Prince of Tennis and Eyeshield 21 both of which beat One Piece occasionally.

 

[Kubukurin]

That's pretty interesting, but who cares?
I don't think that One Piece is even ranked, I mean, in the last six months One Piece has sold 23 million copies, more than all the other manga together, when you're the king something like the ToC is nothing.
And I think that for Bleach and Naruto is pretty much the same, imho the ToC is important only for the youg series from Sket onward.

 

[ZayCon]

I do not agree with you Kubukurin. Look at how bad Bleach have done it in the TOC's lately. It works like a wake-up call to Tite Kubo, or at least it should. If Bleach didn't get ranked now, Kubo wouldn't see that the current development was kind of bad.

One Piece and Naruto is another thing though, but I think it's good for the other series to have some "kings" on the top. Probably works as goals for some of the mangakas. At least that's the case in Bakuman. I also think the mangakas see it as an achievement to beat these series from time to time (even though it doesn't happen that often).

 

[meeedoooz]

so these are the times where another mangas took the first place in pure ranking ? or also with color pages ?