Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 1

[Nii]

Toriko in first ? Naruto once again is not able to reach the top. This is becoming a bit ridiculous imo. The chapter of Toriko that is being ranked this week is 145, right ?

If so, how the hell did this boring chapter about the Gourmet Temple get 1º place ? Is it possible that WSJ might change the results, to whatever is better to them ? cuz i can't really believe that if the chapter ranked was 145 Toriko would get first place or even second
If this happens that means that every chapter during that week of WSJ were incredibly boring and i don't think that was the case.

It's not that surprising. Toriko is on a positive wave right now, even if the chapter would be boring as hell, it wouldn't fall out of the top 5. It's the same with Naruto and One Piece: If you have such a big fanbase, there's no way you would fall below the top 5, even when there are 10 with a better chapter this week. It's kind of unfair but it's a fact. And you should consider that the majority of WSJ readers are kids between 12-16 so it's a sure thing that they see the specific chapter in another light and have different priorities.

The TOC nearly is the same as last week. Mago is near bottom (please, don't move to SQ ), Hanasaka is bombing and Magico gets punished for the last few boring chapters. I won't mind if it gets canceled, it's getting too predictable and cliche.

Reborn shouldn't be so high, I know I'm repeating myself but the last Arc was a big disappointment
And I hope Enigma will recover a bit, I don't want to see it getting canceled :/


So Hisoka will have Ulquiorra's VA? I'm quite curious to see how that will turn out

 

[Ush]

Huh, surprises Beelzebub ranking is so low. The manga is just beginning to get really good.. I honestly would of expected higher.

 

[Crude]

It's a good time to be a Sket Dance fan now! I'm so happy for it! I remember back when it was mostly ignored, but now it seems to be getting the recognition it deserves. And I'm happy for Toriko as well. Although I haven't read the latest chapters, I think it's safe to say that the series has been a blast lately! As for Bleach, after reading the lastest chapter it's obvious that it's rankings will rise. If they don't, boy do I feel bad for Kubo...

 

[Mr. Prince]

Munehagane (Color Page, GFC Entry #4, 47 pg.)

You do know the thing's called Murahagane? I mean, that's the third time or so I see you write it like that, which is just not correct...

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My personal highlight this week is the cover, for several reasons. First of all, the most obvious reason: good ol' "New Big Three" - same as with this year's New Year's Issue. Always hilarious to see Ichigo do random stuff in the second row when the eye is (or rather "was") so used to see him hang out in the limelight right next to Luffy and Naruto.
Aside from that, Sorachi and Akimoto show yet again(!) nice interaction between their title heros. I remember that in afore mentioned New Year's Issue it was also Gintoki and Ryo who looked most hilarious! I'm really diggin' that.
Biggest WHAT THE FUCK goes to Ooishi. Naked kindergarteners in bondage is just SO wrong on so many levels. I swear, if the PTA's won't go crazy about this I really don't get Japan. xD" [I mean, they go on a rampage for the smallest and most irrelevant things...]

TOC-wise not much to say. Great for ST&RS though the situation is dangerous! Many series which enjoy this overly quick push from the Editorial Department can't live up to the hype and readers' interest vanishes in a blink... so I hope it manages to take that challenge, since I still enjoy the series more than any other new one in the last 2-3 years.

 

[mrDovydas]

And that's how the series average place in toc looks like, though it only has 10 weeks (including this one).
Pink - lead color, blue - center color, orange - cover, black - last place in the toc.

 

[Ush]

Considering the rankings its getting, I should really pick up Toriko. I wasn't aware its this popular, it's practically replaced Bleach as the one of the new big 3.

 

[MattC302]

Biggest WHAT THE FUCK goes to Oonishi. Naked kindergarteners in bondage is just SO wrong on so many levels. I swear, if the PTA's won't go crazy about this I really don't get Japan. xD" [I mean, they go on a rampage for the smallest and most irrelevant things...]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought that was disturbing.

 

[kewl0210]

Compared to some of the stuff in Inumaru Dashi, that's not too bad really.

 

[Jaymie]

I love the extremely subtle Enigma spoiler in that image. And I'll just pretend I did not just see a naked child in bondage.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

It looks like rumor about one series will move to Jump SQ is just rumor afterall.

 

[Asarii]

It always sad to see Nurarihyon rank this low; it doesn't deserve it. Magico used to be doing pretty well -having had a few colour pages- so I wonder if its magic (excuse the pun) has worn out. Same goes for Enigma, which used to rank pretty consistently. I'm sure it'll achieve its anniversary, but the problem is the longevity going into its second year.

 

[azerez]

Nurarihyon being low because that flashback arc, i hope with the beginning new arc (Rikuo secret finally exposed by his friend) it can increase again..

 

[xi0]

It looks like rumor about one series will move to Jump SQ is just rumor afterall.

Maybe not, but we've had things mentioned on 2ch before concerning distant events and they were true, so who knows.

 

[Demonsasuke]

It looks like rumor about one series will move to Jump SQ is just rumor afterall.

I also hear this rumor, if it isn't a fake I hope will be Nurarihyon No Mago.

 

[Finestela]

That was just a made up tweet by 2ch trolls... Since that ID doesn't even exist on twitter :/

 

[Asgaroth]

That was just a made up tweet by 2ch trolls... Since that ID doesn't even exist on twitter :/

Uii look at me, i made a fake twitter post. Im such a cooooo l guy! - seriously, who gains popluarity from something unimportant like that? Such low lifes...

 

[Sayaendo]

It's not that surprising. Toriko is on a positive wave right now, even if the chapter would be boring as hell, it wouldn't fall out of the top 5. It's the same with Naruto and One Piece: If you have such a big fanbase, there's no way you would fall below the top 5, even when there are 10 with a better chapter this week. It's kind of unfair but it's a fact. And you should consider that the majority of WSJ readers are kids between 12-16 so it's a sure thing that they see the specific chapter in another light and have different priorities.

I don't think it's unfair. What I think would be unfair is if a series rankings would completely ignore all the past chapters in the series. It's appropriate that the ranking is of the series, rather than of the chapter, because the ranking determines the popularity of the series, and not of the individual chapter (that kind of information would be pretty useless).

I'm not ashamed to admit if I were a voter I would likely vote for at least 2 series regularly every week (with very uncommon changes), even if the series had a bad chapter that week. The entire series is being evaluated anew (+one more chapter) every week.

 

[Schabrak]

So would still vote for your favourite series, even if the chapter consited on blank pages? Oo If a chapter is crap, you shouldn't vote for it, it's not like one time being at the bottom would mean the death of a series. A series could have 5 good arcs, and than 2 pos ones to follow those, would it be fair to give it another year just to recover, instead of giving a new mangaka a chance to shine?

Asgaroth
They don't get any popularity, as they are anonymous.^^ It just fueled the discussion and it's not like a bigger valuation of it's contents was such a bad thing to happen.

 

[Sayaendo]

So would still vote for your favourite series, even if the chapter consited on blank pages? Oo If a chapter is crap, you shouldn't vote for it, it's not like one time being at the bottom would mean the death of a series. A series could have 5 good arcs, and than 2 pos ones to follow those, would it be fair to give it another year just to recover, instead of giving a new mangaka a chance to shine?

I am assuming that even if it is the worst chapter in the series yet, it will still be within range of the past worst chapter (which was also included in the voting until that point). And if it was really that bad, I would consider voting otherwise that week (I did mention "uncommon differences"). And regarding the arcs, if a good manga had two terrible arcs in a row, then it's no longer a good manga, and the voting changes accordingly.
My point wasn't that the voters are voting consistently for the sake of being consistent. It's that they're voting for the entire series every week, the only change being another chapter from last week. That's why the polls are themed similarly every week. And I'm saying that's fair.

 

[Kaiten]

I don't think any broad generalities can be made about how readers vote. It is very likely there are readers who vote for the same three series, in the same order, every week. There must be others who have a handful of favorites and adjust which three they vote for, in what order from issue to issue based on which chapter they liked the most. The only thing we can presume is that there is enough individual change from week to week that some predictability is lost. One Piece and Naruto are nearly always in the top five, but we can not predict which spot exactly because readers asjust there votes from week to week. Even if the same people are voting for Naruto and One Piece every week, they vary which position they rank it.

Don't forget that readers vote for three series every week. The order does matter - first place votes count for more than second place votes and so on.