Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2011] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Jaiden82]

Bakuman takes the top spot this week. Bleach is low, hope it does better next time. Reborn too. Mago still in the bottom five but still better than last week.

Bakuman and Gintama are so high

And bleach is so low

I know.

 

[Googlez_kun]

Wow,Bakuman is really doing well lately!
And Bleach is so low i barely saw it
It seems things are slowly changing a bit.

 

[BianchiChrome]

Hello!

I believe that one of the biggest problem that Reborn! is having right now is that the anime is not on. I believe that most of the series that are at the top right now have an anime that people can watch.

I also do not see much in the way of official promotion for the series right now. I rarely see any one doing much to get the word about about Reborn! to anyone other than Shonen Jump readers. Shonen Jump is putting more attention on Gintama, Bakuman, and Toriko.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

Hello!

I believe that one of the biggest problem that Reborn! is having right now is that the anime is not on. I believe that most of the series that are at the top right now have an anime that people can watch.

I also do not see much in the way of official promotion for the series right now. I rarely see any one doing much to get the word about about Reborn! to anyone other than Shonen Jump readers. Shonen Jump is putting more attention on Gintama, Bakuman, and Toriko.

Yeah, for the most part that is a major factor in why a lot of manga end post-anime after a while: without the focus in the limelight, they just fade away. I somehow think that's why "certain series I shall not name" is afraid of ending it's anime.

And don't really worry about the Toriko anime "bombing": a lot of times anime are rather huge for a first episode and it takes a few episodes for a steady audience to form or to determine if it's a true bomb.

As for the ToC: not much really to say...though I do like it. I've just had so little to say as of late about this sort of thing I guess due to really being "out of it" with manga and such.

 

[Finestela]

And don't really worry about the Toriko anime "bombing": a lot of times anime are rather huge for a first episode and it takes a few episodes for a steady audience to form or to determine if it's a true bomb.

No, it's not bombing, but it's not "gaining popularity" as Kewl believes either. It's normal for the rating to be like this, especially one as hyped as Toriko.

The point I'm trying to make is that Toriko's fanbase is currently saturated, and the growth in sales is small and steady at best, even with all the focused attentions. To say that, all of the sudden, it's this surging black sheep poised to become the new face of WSJ is just exaggerating the truth.

 

[Teeba]

Another series they are promoting the heck out of is Beelzebub, look at how many color pages its been getting, even though its anime's popularity is no where near Toriko.

I do find the TOC odd at times. For Hokenshitsu and Medaka, and now even Mago, being on the bottom has been somewhat standard, but they aren't really in any danger for being cancelled.

I am wondering, hearing you guys talk about how many manga don't do so well once their anime finish...D.Gray-man never got to that point, seeing how many times the mangaka went on hiatus. But did its popularity really soar after the anime aired? I hope no one minds me asking, since I know D.Gray-man is now part of SQ, but for a while after the anime ended, it was still part of Weekly Jump.

 

[cartofipai]

Just look at the ones between 7~9 instead of trying to pin point the exact start, and disregard the CP/Lead CP positions if you want (though, they sometimes do mean something).

my bad ... bakuman is first ... bigger YEY

 

[Finestela]

I do find the TOC odd at times. For Hokenshitsu and Medaka, and now even Mago, being on the bottom has been somewhat standard, but they aren't really in any danger for being cancelled.

I am wondering, hearing you guys talk about how many manga don't do so well once their anime finish...D.Gray-man never got to that point, seeing how many times the mangaka went on hiatus. But did its popularity really soar after the anime aired? I hope no one minds me asking, since I know D.Gray-man is now part of SQ, but for a while after the anime ended, it was still part of Weekly Jump.

I'm not so sure about Shinigami, but Medaka and Mago are probably safe for another 2~3 cuts (or ~6 months, give or take), before having to face possible cancellation. (These are just my personally guesses).

With Mago getting its second anime, that should give it plenty of time to try and boost itself. As for Medaka, if the editors can give Iwashiro that much longer for Psyren, I don't see why they wouldn't do the same for Medaka, which has a bigger name (Nishio) and better tank sales.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

I am wondering, hearing you guys talk about how many manga don't do so well once their anime finish...D.Gray-man never got to that point, seeing how many times the mangaka went on hiatus. But did its popularity really soar after the anime aired? I hope no one minds me asking, since I know D.Gray-man is now part of SQ, but for a while after the anime ended, it was still part of Weekly Jump.

I don't think D.Gray-man moved to SQ or taking hiatus because of decreasing popularity after anime. Hoshino, author of D.Gray-man, has too much pressure and stress on working weekly, plus she also has illness. That's why she moves to SQ. If D.Gray-man was still serialized in Jump and didn't have any hiatus, then D.Gray-man would have being more popular than Gintama and Reborn.

 

[kewl0210]

I was trying to make a point that as series sort of "gain momentum" they get more popular. Like how they get games and movies and such the series becomes more "well known" and more popular from that. That's all. I was just trying to give general examples otherwise.

Stuff like Bleach and One Piece and Naruto which've had animes going for 10 years or whatever have had plenty of time to build up "momentum" and permeate into the mainstream. Whereas Bakuman and Toriko and Beelzebub who've only had an anime or something like it for 6 months or less, not so much.

And yeah, Bleach is pretty low ranked this week, isn't it?
I suppose even if it's got that sort of huge fanbase it's not guaranteed to get high TOC ranks.

 

[Finestela]

I don't think D.Gray-man moved to SQ or taking hiatus because of decreasing popularity after anime. Hoshino, author of D.Gray-man, has too much pressure and stress on working weekly, plus she also has illness. That's why she moves to SQ. If D.Gray-man was still serialized in Jump and didn't have any hiatus, then D.Gray-man would have being more popular than Gintama and Reborn.

That's what Teeba was saying, DGM being an exception in the "popularity plummeting after anime" issue.

 

[BianchiChrome]

Hello!

I believe that for the Reborn! fandom there is a strong desire to get the anime back. After the ending the fans were lead to believe that the anime was coming back this spring. A few official looking articles were put on the internet and then there has not been any official word from anyone from Shonen Jump or Artland on this matter. Reborn! was also given VOMICs with original cast members and new cast members to play new parts. However they were stopped for some reason without official word from anyone.

I believe that for the most part the Reborn! fandom does not know what is happening to anything. On the Wiki it has been put that the english VIZ manga has been canceled but nothing has been given to the fans to let them know officially what is going on by VIZ.

I feel that the lack of official information to the Reborn! fandom is making it hard for the fans to know what to expect. I hope that after Shonen Jump has promoted all their newer titles that have animes that they will start to give the Reborn! fans some official news on the status everything.

 

[saladesu]

Wow, that's an awesome ranking for Bakuman for yet another week. Looks like everyone loves Nanamine I wonder how the Japanese fandom will take to the ending of the arc (seeing how a sizeable number of MH members didn't like it). I'm looking forward to seeing how it ranks then.

Bleach is kiiiinda low this week. If Sengoku Armors is ranked this week then that's a pretty meh start it's off to. If Dois Sol is bombing so soon, then I suppose it's the next Light Wing and going straight into the can sometime soon.

 

[Rejuvenation]

Glad to see Bakuman #1 and Sket Dance in the top 5. Its nice to see the top not completely saturated with battle manga this week.

Bleach out of the top 5 and Reborn just right out of the bottom 5. Great stuff. I wouldn't mind a complete collapse from either of them down the road though its unlikely for the time being.

Hopefully Medaka can improve next week and I'll be happier for it.

 

[jorped]

How the hell did Bakuman ranked higher than Naruto? Nanamine's arc was so boring

It is not like Naruto has also been the most interesting ever, but imo there isn't any comparison possible !

 

[saladesu]

You may have found it boring, but not everyone did Besides, the start of the Nanamine arc was interesting at least imo. I had very very high hopes for the arc at that point and so did many on MH. The current TOC ranks echo that. That's why I'm interested to see how it will rank from here on out, and if the opinions of the Japanese voters jive with ours (that the Nanamine arc eventually turned out to be largely a disappointment).

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Nanamine's arc started off hilarious

Then it got boring

Then it got hilarious again

But it did go on way too long IMO

 

[Asgaroth]

i liked the nanamie arc, he was the frist antagonist, the other are friends who compete with each other. even if it falls at the ending of the arc, it will sure improve when nakai fight with hiramaru over aoki =)

 

[Jaymie]

The Nanamine arc may have had a disappointing conclusion, but it was definitely not boring. Especially when compared to Naruto, of all things. Nanamine was a very interesting character, and his philosophy about the internet really hits home for a lot of fans.

 

[Drmke]

Shit Dois Sol crashed >.> Maybe it'll rise but I've seen this happen to far too many series I liked to have much hope. O well, maybe Sengoku can stay up somewhat.