Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2015] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Txapeldun]

You opposing things that are the same! The contribution of the series to the magazines are its sales (volume and magazine)! If it isn't this, what kind of contribution you are talking about?
There isn't another contribution to the a series to the magazine besides this one.
Sales is not part of the contribution, sales IS the contribution.

Yeah, because merchandising doesn't exist.
Some of these mangas are not only mangas to be sold or to be ranked, but franchises like Gintama, One Piece, Kochikame, Bleach...

 

[G_I_A]

My optimistic issue 20 prediction.

1 Gintama (Cover and Lead Color)
2 One Piece
3 Ansatsu Kyoushitsu
4 Boku no Hero Academia
5 Shokugeki no Soma (Center Color)
6 Haikyuu
7 World Trigger
8 Hinomaru Zumo
9 Kagamigami
10 Toriko
11 Black Clover
12 Nisekoi
13 Kekkai Sensen (Center Color)
14 Kaizou Ningen Rogii
15 Saiki Kusuo no PSI-nan
16 Bleach
17 Kochikame
18 Ultra Battle Satellite
19 Gakkyuu Houtei
20 Takujou no Ageha
21 Isobe Isobee Monogatari

I think it's possible that 11 and 15 switch and same for 7 and 10.

You should exclude Toriko since there will be no chapter next week. It should resume on issue #21

Also, here is the BEAUTIFUL My Hero Academia Color Page:

It's written in brazilian portuguese: 'The Man That Had Nothing VS The Man That Had Everything'

Below: More than 1 million copies sold! Volume 3 is already on sale!

It's selling like crazy, guys!!!

 

[Bigivelfhq]

You opposing things that are the same! The contribution of the series to the magazines are its sales (volume and magazine)! If it isn't this, what kind of contribution you are talking about?
There isn't another contribution to the a series to the magazine besides this one.
Sales is not part of the contribution, sales IS the contribution.

So you're in fact talking of volume sales then. Read my previous post.

About volume sales and magazine representation being the same? it isn't! You're just generalizing for the sake of generalizing things.
Volumes are sold separately to the magazine and have no DIRECT correlation of how good the magazine does. This is easily seen by One Piece volumes selling more than 3 Million copies, more than the readership of the entire magazine. Or talking of another Magazine, Attack on Titan has around 11 times more readership than its magazine, Bessatsu Shonen Magazine.
If you counting every contribution even the most distant, you have: Merchandise of the series of weekly shonen jump, you have anime BD/CD, Anime TV ratings, Anime related merchandise, movies, games, other Shueisha magazines and its titles sales and even Shogakukan sales(Yep, Shogakukan is part of the same company group has shueisha, the Hitotsubashi group). All of those things contribute money to the magazine, that doesn't mean that every sale is the same thing!

The fact that you have Oda multiple times in its SBS saying to people that One Piece comes from a magazine called Weekly Shonen Jump should said enough, because you know? A lot of people just know about the series from the anime or from the volumes.

So when I'm talking of Magazine contribution, I'm talking of the popularity that the series has inside the magazine over the years, exclusively!
Like for Example:
- Kochikame 38 years of popularity.
- Bleach 9 to 10 years of popularity, and it sudden decline.
- Hinomaru being popular in the magazine, but selling not that good by jump standards.
- Haikyuu!! vs Shokugeki no Soma popularity -> Soma is around the Top 5 in the magazine for almost 3 years(since it began), Haikyuu!! is only at the top 5 fo almost 1 year. Though Haikyuu!! sells a lot more volumes(800k vs 300k) than Soma and for a long more time(even when Haikyuu!! still didn't had its anime, it was still selling more than Soma).

 

[Leoat12]

Yeah, because merchandising doesn't exist.
Some of these mangas are not only mangas to be sold or to be ranked, but franchises like Gintama, One Piece, Kochikame, Bleach...

Of course, they sell other products besides volumes and magazines. Sell -> Sales.

Also, here is the BEAUTIFUL My Hero Academia Color Page:

It's written in brazilian portuguese: 'The Man That Had Nothing VS The Man That Had Everything'

Below: More than 1 million copies sold! Volume 3 is already on sale!

It's selling like crazy, guys!!!

I thought it was already out. D:
I'm gonna wait some more time.... u.u
Great work btw.

 

[G_I_A]

Of course, they sell other products besides volumes and magazines. Sell -> Sales.

I thought it was already out. D:
I'm gonna wait some more time.... u.u
Great work btw.

Sorry to let you down and thanks for the kind words... But we're working very hard to bring it as soon as possible.

And... Oh boy, next chapter will be INSANE!

 

[Unok]

Let's see the groups:
. One Piece -> Sells 3 Million.
. Assassination Classrooom -> 700k, Boku no Hero Academia -> 300k, Shokugeki no Soma -> 300k
. Haikyuu!! -> 800k, Bleach -> 500k, Nisekoi -> 300k, World Trigger-> 200k, PSI Saiki -> 90k, Hinomaru Zumou -> 30k
. Gintama -> 300k, Toriko -> 260k, Kochikame -> 40k
. Isobe Isobee Monogatari -> 35k
. Rest -> 0k

Top 200 manga sales 2014 by volume
1.　3,010,801　One Piece Vol.73
2.　2,834,558　One Piece Vol.74
3.　2,698,071　One Piece Vol.75
7.　1,106,651　Naruto Vol.67
8.　1,098,121　Naruto Vol.68
10.　1,007,954　Naruto Vol.69
12.　*,934,233　Naruto Vol.70
16.　*,832,634　Haikyuu!! Vol.10
18.　*,817,937　Kuroko no Basket Vol.26
19.　*,797,808　Haikyuu!! Vol.11
20.　*,791,532　Kuroko no Basket Vol.25
21.　*,788,791　Haikyuu!! Vol.9
23.　*,783,391　Haikyuu!! Vol.12
25.　*,774,541　Kuroko no Basket Vol.27
26.　*,772,887　Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Vol.7
28.　*,761,470　Naruto Vol.71
29.　*,756,005　Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Vol.8
30.　*,741,338　Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Vol.9
33.　*,719,758　Haikyuu!! Vol.13
35.　*,712,446　Kuroko no Basket Vol.28
37.　*,681,127　Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Vol.10
47.　*,624,403　Bleach Vol.61
51.　*,603,344　Bleach Vol.62
52.　*,600,024　One Piece Vol.72
54.　*,589,653　Kuroko no Basket Vol.29
55.　*,585,450　Ansatsu Kyoushitsu Vol.11
58.　*,572,656　Bleach Vol.63
62.　*,567,435　Haikyuu!! Vol.1
67.　*,553,577　Haikyuu!! Vol.2
69.　*,550,401　Haikyuu!! Vol.8
70.　*,545,465　Haikyuu!! Vol.3
75.　*,532,505　Haikyuu!! Vol.4
76.　*,532,356　Bleach Vol.64
80.　*,519,882　Haikyuu!! Vol.5
81.　*,519,740　Haikyuu!! Vol.7
82.　*,518,673　Haikyuu!! Vol.6
101　462,190　BLEACH 65
120　424,194　Nisekoi 10
121　422,103　Shokugeki no Soma 5
123　420,882　Nisekoi 12
124　420,616　Nisekoi 11
136　403,237　Gintama 53
138　400,488　Shokugeki no Soma 6
140　395,786　Nisekoi 13
141　395,037　Gintama 52
143　392,584　Toriko 28
155　380,454　Toriko 29
158　365,327　Shokugeki no Soma 8
168　347,011　Toriko 30
171　345,986　Gintama 54
172　345,084　Shokugeki no Soma 9
189　325,691　Nisekoi 14
191　324,075　Gintama 55

You need to correct your data, as the manga continues to sell after it's out of the weekly charts. For some you are close, for others like Bleach, Toriko, Gintama, Nisekoi, you are 100k+ off. First week sales are not the only sales, nor a defying factor of how much a volume will sell. Even if it takes 6 months to reach 500k, if it reaches it, then it sales that much, not 200k (for example a moment it got out of the weekly charts). I know you can't predict how much something will sell after it goes out of the weekly charts, but with yearly data, you can check such things.

 

[Leoat12]

You need to correct your data, as the manga continues to sell after it's out of the weekly charts. For some you are close, for others like Bleach, Toriko, Gintama, Nisekoi, you are 100k+ off. First week sales are not the only sales, nor a defying factor of how much a volume will sell. Even if it takes 6 months to reach 500k, if it reaches it, then it sales that much, not 200k (for example a moment it got out of the weekly charts). I know you can't predict how much something will sell after it goes out of the weekly charts, but with yearly data, you can check such things.

I agree, it has a big difference. Taking Nisekoi as example, since I have its data, it sold 3.298.550 copies in the first 3 weeks, but when you see its yearly sales 2013+2014 it has 5,358,789 copies! It is more than two million of difference. And since we're at it, do you have oricon 2012 sales divided by series? IIRC Nisekoi didn't appear there, but I have to make sure, to complete my data if it did.

 

[Unok]

Top 30 for 2012 by series: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2012-12-02/30-top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series/2012
at the bottom there are links for Top 100 by volume. But, yeah, Nisekoi isn't there.

 

[Mammo]

WoW,WT is 3rd because One piece was absent.
So,even BC is 8th and Kagamigami 5th

I Hate to be a party pooper actually love it, but here is the toc when Black Blover debut:

Volume 12 (16-2-2015)
1. One Piece
2. Boku no Hero Academia
3. Assassination Classroom
4. Toriko
5. Haikyuu!!
6. PSI Kusuo Saiki
7. Gakkyuu Houtei
8. Gintama
9. Nisekoi
10. Kochikame
11. Takujou no Ageha
12. Bleach
13. E-Robot (END)

Cover & Lead Colour Page: Black Clover (NEW)
Colour Page: Kagamigami
Colour Page: Shokugeki no Soma
Colour Page: Hinomaru Zumou
Absent: World Trigger




tl;dr World Trigger isn't ranked this week

 

[SharkBait]

BLack Clover will be in the top ten.

 

[James Rye]

Let's see the groups:
. One Piece -> Sells 3 Million.
. Assassination Classrooom -> 700k, Boku no Hero Academia -> 300k, Shokugeki no Soma -> 300k
. Haikyuu!! -> 800k, Bleach -> 500k, Nisekoi -> 300k, World Trigger-> 200k, PSI Saiki -> 90k, Hinomaru Zumou -> 30k
. Gintama -> 300k, Toriko -> 260k, Kochikame -> 40k
. Isobe Isobee Monogatari -> 35k
. Rest -> 0k

List only influenced by the volume sales:
. One Piece
. Haikyuu!!, Assassination Classroom, Bleach
. Boku no Hero Academia, Shokugeki no Soma, Nisekoi, Gintama, Toriko, World Trigger
. PSI Saiki, Kochikame, Isobe Isobee Monogatari
. Hinomaru Zumou
. Rest -> 0k

In Toriko chapter 31(Will assume that 1st and 2nd volume were already out), Jump got an all characters cover and Toriko and Kochikame were in the 2nd row from the front!
Toriko was selling 70k, and Kochikame the normal 40k.

Isn't WT's average around 250k though? I mean between 18 November 2013 to 16 November 2014 it had 5 volumes and sold 1.269.209 times with them which should give it a roughly average of 253k per volume published in that year. The first three volumes might be near, at or over 300k already for all we know.

 

[Unok]

Isn't WT's average around 250k though? I mean between 18 November 2013 to 16 November 2014 it had 5 volumes and sold 1.269.209 times with them which should give it a roughly average of 253k per volume published in that year. The first three volumes might be near, at or over 300k already for all we know.

For that period, no. As overall year sales include sales of all volumes. Majority of those 1.269.209 are probably for the volumes released and sold between November 2013 to November 2014, but also include sales for volumes released before November 2013, but sold in that period. An example is how Haikyuu after the anime boost, got plenty of volumes into the top 200, yet first volumes were around 500k, while newer around 800k. That's because those sales are only for that specific period and don't include sales before it.

Otherwise currently with the anime, WT is definitely selling higher and last volume was with 230k and still in the charts, so likely now it will sell 250k+.

 

[Pietro]

I'm really enjoying AC's anime.I watched 5 episodes just in one day.The anime is really well done

 

[PharaoDopazo]

 

[SharkBait]

I'm really enjoying AC's anime.I watched 5 episodes just in one day.The anime is really well done

World Trigger and Food Wars are great too. Hope Gintama will be good though Im on ep 30, hopefully Ill catch up soon :/

 

[Jaimini626]

I used shadow's translations of black clover's first chapter , got a cleaned chapter , well have done the typesetting till page 26 will complete it by tomorrow. at first I was doing it for my own use but then thought if some others would be interested too.
I should tell you it was my first time typesetting something and I dont have much fonds as well but I think its okay for reading purposes.
I just wanted to ask if anyone is interested in reading it.

 

[Leoat12]

First day of sales for the new volumes.

1 9784088803265 ＯＮＥ　ＰＩＥＣＥ　７７ 集英社 尾田栄一郎 2015/4/3
2 9784088803821 ワンパンマン　８ 集英社 村田雄介 2015/4/3
3 9784088803272 ＢＬＥＡＣＨ－ブリーチ－　６７ 集英社 久保帯人 2015/4/3
4 9784088803357 僕のヒーローアカデミア　３ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015/4/3
5 9784088803302 ニセコイ　１７ 集英社 古味直志 2015/4/3
6 9784088803319 食戟のソーマ　１２ 集英社 附田祐斗 2015/4/3
7 9784088803296 トリコ　３４ 集英社 島袋光年 2015/4/3
8 9784088803289 銀魂－ぎんたま－　５８ 集英社 空知英秋 2015/4/3
9 9784088804101 ＴｏＬｏｖｅる－とらぶる－　ダークネス　１３ 集英社 矢吹健太朗 2015/4/3
10 9784088803395 終わりのセラフ　８ 集英社 山本ヤマト 2015/4/3

Boku no Hero Academia is already selling more than Nisekoi? I don't have any complains about it.
Also, Boku no Hero Academia old volumes are appearing in a high position for old volumes.

82 9784088802978 僕のヒーローアカデミア　２ 集英社 堀越耕平 2015/1/5
83 9784088802640 僕のヒーローアカデミア　１ 集英社 堀越耕平 2014/11/4

It will be interesting to see how Shokugeki no Soma sales will react the first episode of the anime.

 

[WyldViolet]

World Trigger and Food Wars are great too. Hope Gintama will be good though Im on ep 30, hopefully Ill catch up soon :/

World Trigger's anime is NOT in any possible way great.
This is coming from somebody who has actively defended the adaptation against haters.
To say it's mediocre or okay is fine, but "great"? It has some of the lowest production values of any Jump anime I've ever seen.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

Hinomaru Zumou and Isobe are also doing great and better

16 9784088803340 火ノ丸相撲(Hinomaru Zumou)　４ 集英社 川田 2015/4/3
19 9784088803333 磯部磯兵衛物語～浮世はつらいよ～(Isobe Isobee Monogatari)　６ 集英社 仲間りょう 2015/4/3

I hope they keep the good result!

Praying: Let Hinomaru reach 100k please!

 

[Pietro]

Hinomaru Zumou and Isobe are also doing great and better


I hope they keep the good result!

Praying: Let Hinomaru reach 100k please!

I highly doubt it.I think its best will be 40-50k