Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Nakura]

Well, the introduction the horn girl and villain feels like need more build up.......

I can see where you're coming from, but I have to disagree. For me, the impact is just how out-of-the-blue his encounter with Overhaul is. It's shocking. Now, is it overly convenient from a writing standpoint? Sure... but I don't think it's a huge deal. I don't think there's going to be a fight right now anyway.

 

[Swavey]

Its easier for a low selling series to double in sales than a high selling series, so its not that impossible for BLack Clover to even get a 100% increase ^_^

100% would put it on 320,000 that isn't impossible but there is one person who I won't name who believes it will increase by 275% .

 

[ChocoBar9]

Well, the introduction the horn girl and villain feels like need more build up.......

That's nothing new for Hori. Stain was introduced in the same chapter that said there was a Hero Killer on the loose while Iida was monologuing about his brother as he already was attacked by him. He doesn't really waste time with introductions.

 

[DyanSon]

Well, the introduction the horn girl and villain feels like need more build up.......

What are you saying? OverHaul is already introduce some chapter ago I think chapter 114 the new character that introduce here is the little horned girl. And even Deku already meet Overhaul that's not mean that there going to fight right of the bat. Chapter said that they can't really make a move on Overhoul right now because they still don't have enouch prof and knowledge on what his plan.

 

[HIGAN0]

Well, I hope he okay i don't wanna see another world trigger situation.....

That's nothing new for Hori. Stain was introduced in the same chapter that said there was a Hero Killer on the loose while Iida was monologui9ng about his brother as he's already was attacked by him. He doesn't really waste time with introductions.

that why every villain in MHA's beside Stain & Shigaraki feels vague and bland.....

 

[Kadir0]

And even Deku already meet Overhaul that's not mean that there going to fight right of the bat. Chapter said that they can't really make a move on Overhoul right now because they still don't have enouch prof and knowledge on what his plan.

There's little girl being chased by a villain and you think mc will follow the orders and stay put? A fight will definitely break.

All of sudden meeting the person they were looking for, my only problem with BHA is how tiny their world is.

 

[ChocoBar9]

All of sudden meeting the person they were looking for, my only problem with BHA is how tiny their world is.

So basically its not dragged out. Even if they found him later they couldn't do anything to him as stated in this chapter because he hasn't done anything.

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that why every villain in MHA's beside Stain & Shigaraki feels vague and bland.....

I disagree entirely. If he can put that much effort into characterizing a character such as Twice then I want to see what he does with Overhaul.

 

[iceemperor]

This might possibly be the beginning of overwork. While its true that Black Clover also had some unfinished panels, that was mostly beta and some inking. Heroaca has whole pages which were just sketches that might not have even been inked in. It might literally have been pencil with some screen tone added in. Horikoshi has lately been under a huge amount of work; supervising the anime in general, meeting with anime staff, coming up with original stories for both the jump festa OVA and Vol 14 OVA, which are both probably 50 page drafts like the Jump festa one was, redrawing pages for volume releases to correct some things and phrases, colour pages all of which are done on top of the weekly chapters and planning the story. While its true that he probably is putting more input than needed into the anime work as staff themselves are competent, I have a feeling he's like Oda, if he's been asked to provide ideas for something he'll go all out.

 

[G_I_A]

It's preposterous to compare any WSJ author with Oda...

 

[Koi Kage]

This might possibly be the beginning of overwork. While its true that Black Clover also had some unfinished panels, that was mostly beta and some inking. Heroaca has whole pages which were just sketches that might not have even been inked in. It might literally have been pencil with some screen tone added in. Horikoshi has lately been under a huge amount of work; supervising the anime in general, meeting with anime staff, coming up with original stories for both the jump festa OVA and Vol 14 OVA, which are both probably 50 page drafts like the Jump festa one was, redrawing pages for volume releases to correct some things and phrases, colour pages all of which are done on top of the weekly chapters and planning the story. While its true that he probably is putting more input than needed into the anime work as staff themselves are competent, I have a feeling he's like Oda, if he's been asked to provide ideas for something he'll go all out.

It is a possibility that we can't really rule anything out at this point. If it is overwork an times like this happen more often for Horikoshi, I believe that it'll ultimately lead to a serious problem for his career in the long run. As you stated Oda is overwork as seen by his week breaks every so often,to which I think it is time for him to go on some sort of hiatus for a short time he deserves it, and Horikoshi is still early in MHA life and he's already showing signs of overwork it throws up red flags for the possible future of the series.

On a side note how many assistance do you think Horikoshi have?

 

[Nakura]

On a side note how many assistance do you think Horikoshi have?

He has 6 assistants.

 

[Koi Kage]

He has 6 assistants.

For some reason I was expecting less thanks

 

[G_I_A]

This is a quality issue. WSJ editorial shall comment on this in the future... People in Japan takes this shit very seriously.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Both series had unfinished panels because their respective authors were helping out anime staff. This isn't anything new. Even established series' have had these kinda chapters. The most recent one that I can remember is World Trigger in 2014. Why is this such a huge issue? They're going to be rectified in the tanks anyway.

 

[iceemperor]

It is a possibility that we can't really rule anything out at this point. If it is overwork an times like this happen more often for Horikoshi, I believe that it'll ultimately lead to a serious problem for his career in the long run. As you stated Oda is overwork as seen by his week breaks every so often,to which I think it is time for him to go on some sort of hiatus for a short time he deserves it, and Horikoshi is still early in MHA life and he's already showing signs of overwork it throws up red flags for the possible future of the series.

On a side note how many assistance do you think Horikoshi have?

Horikoshi has around 5-6 assistants at any given timeaccording to his assistant introduction page in the volumes. However, it should be noted that having lots of assistants doesn't mean that the workload decreases for the mangaka. Many mangaka have a good number of assistants but lots of times, they do a lot of the work and leave the smaller details to them.

Horikoshi showing signs like this is not really that different than Togashi saying the same thing back in Yu Yu Hakusho. People say that Togashi uses no assistants but from the Jump Ryu video, there's an assistant that says that he's been there since the beginning of HxH. While it might not be anything significant, the possibility of the beginning of overwork is still there. Makes you wonder what the editorial side is doing at times like this. If they're not careful, they'll end up with another Ashihara case.

 

[DyanSon]

Why for Horikoshi and MHA having some unfinish chapter is a big deal? If i remember WT have this kind problem(i think its worse because the chapter that published is just literally a sketch) and i don't remembere all of you to panic this much.

 

[xAsum0x]

Why for Horikoshi and MHA having some unfinish chapter is a big deal? If i remember WT have this kind problem(i think its worse because the chapter that published is just literally a sketch) and i don't remembere all of you to panic this much.

Because MHA is starting to become the current posterchild of Jump discussions which leaves lots of room for people to give their thoughts and opinions on it whether they're biased or unbiased

 

[TyVip]

Hungry Marie is literally just Beelzebub's cast without Baby Beel .

 

[ChocoBar9]

Why for Horikoshi and MHA having some unfinish chapter is a big deal? If i remember WT have this kind problem(i think its worse because the chapter that published is just literally a sketch) and i don't remembere all of you to panic this much.

Well...not a lot of people care about World Trigger in comparison sadly.

 

[Tamil]

Horikoshi has around 5-6 assistants at any given timeaccording to his assistant introduction page in the volumes. However, it should be noted that having lots of assistants doesn't mean that the workload decreases for the mangaka. Many mangaka have a good number of assistants but lots of times, they do a lot of the work and leave the smaller details to them.

Horikoshi showing signs like this is not really that different than Togashi saying the same thing back in Yu Yu Hakusho. People say that Togashi uses no assistants but from the Jump Ryu video, there's an assistant that says that he's been there since the beginning of HxH. While it might not be anything significant, the possibility of the beginning of overwork is still there. Makes you wonder what the editorial side is doing at times like this. If they're not careful, they'll end up with another Ashihara case.

That was for the Dark Continent arc though. The art is some the best so I don't think ppl expected he won't have assistants for that arc.