Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[iceemperor]

Speaking of Oda, an interview from a 2012 actually appeared on the Japanese side of the internet. It may have been discussed before but Oda's advice, if you will as its more of his own thoughts, to Mangaka is to never hold back you plot points. Always go with your most interesting plot points and never wait to use them later as you might not get that "later". You will always come up with ideas but if your serialization ends then there's no point.

He says that he's got notebooks filled with plot ideas to an extent that he may never finish the manga. They're just overflowing with ideas, good and bad.

 

[James Rye]

Hungry Marie is literally just Beelzebub's cast without Baby Beel .

I don't mind. The main heroine (besides "Oga" that is xD) is clearly a mix of Hilda and Aoi, you can really see when she is in Hilda character and when in Aoi. The main hero(ine) is Oga with more emotions and ofc Hilda look when changed. And best friend/sidekick is a mix of Furuichi and Kanzaki, which is best mix. I guess the "hungry" part will be explained next chapter.

 

[perroloco]

I'm just gonna randomly post this, it's a post I made in easylove's excellent Jump's top 100 selling series video.

Seems like a long read, but it actually isn't, the TL: DR was meant for posters of another forum, ANN.
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Jump follows a model that has provided them with plenty of popular titles, and in fact once a title is popular now a days it's easier for it to continue for many more years.

WSJ Total series
1968- 1973 106 series
1974-1979 78 series
1980-1984 83 series
1985-1989 69 series
1990-1994 65 series
1995-1999 63 series
2000-2004 57 series
2005-2009 58 series
2010-2014 55 series
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634 series in total
Series that ran for more than 1 year, and percent ratio at the right, first % means ratio of manga that survive 1 year, 2 years, etc, the other % means percentage of mangas that lasted 1 year surviving the next year and so on:

1968- 1973 24 series 22%
1974-1979 15 series 19%
1980-1984 17 series 22%
1985-1989 19 series 27%
1990-1994 24 series 36%
1995-1999 22 series 34%
2000-2004 16 series 28%
2005-2009 22 series 38%
2010-2014 13 series 23%


Series that ran for more than 2 years:

1968- 1973 17 series 16% 70%
1974-1979 11 series 14% 73%
1980-1984 14 series 16% 82%
1985-1989 15 series 21% 78%
1990-1994 15 series 23% 62%
1995-1999 17 series 26% 77%
2000-2004 13 series 22% 81%
2005-2009 12 series 20% 54%
2010-2014 9 series 16% 69%

Series that ran for more than 3 years:

1968- 1973 11 series 10% 64%
1974-1979 9 series 11% 81%
1980-1984 10 series 12% 71%
1985-1989 10 series 14% 66%
1990-1994 13 series 20% 86%
1995-1999 17 series 26% 100% (2 series had 3 issues less than 3 years)
2000-2004 11 series 19% 84%
2005-2009 11 series 19% 91%
2010-2014 9 series 16% 100%

Things to note:
The rate of manga that will be successful (IMO running for at least 3 years would be considered a very succesful run) is around 20%, and it doesn't realy change much between manga that ran for 2 and 3 years.
As you can see from the data once a series survives at least 2 years it has very high chances of surviving to 3 years, in average around 90% of 2 year manga will make it to 3 years.
And in average only 1 in 7 manga will get to run for 3 years.
Back in the 60s-70s JUMP actually cancelled manga after a period as short as only 3 weeks! That wasn't even enough to publish a tankobon! I guess nowadays they make a the deal with the publisher authors to at least continue till chapter 9 AKA enough chapters to publish a 180ish pages tankobon.

TL: DR
Jump cancels manga faster than any other magazine based on the manga's popularity, but it also has A LOT of new series every year, around 11 nowadays, and as you can see in the last chart, the odds of a series surviving in JUMP for more than 3 years is 16%, JUMP serializes around 11 new series every year, so chances are that Jump will get two new popular series that last at least 3 years every year.

 

[Koi Kage]

I'm just gonna randomly post this, it's a post I made in easylove's excellent Jump's top 100 selling series video.

Seems like a long read, but it actually isn't, the TL: DR was meant for posters of another forum, ANN.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jump follows a model that has provided them with plenty of popular titles, and in fact once a title is popular now a days it's easier for it to continue for many more years.

WSJ Total series
1968- 1973 106 series
1974-1979 78 series
1980-1984 83 series
1985-1989 69 series
1990-1994 65 series
1995-1999 63 series
2000-2004 57 series
2005-2009 58 series
2010-2014 55 series
-------------------
634 series in total
Series that ran for more than 1 year, and percent ratio at the right, first % means ratio of manga that survive 1 year, 2 years, etc, the other % means percentage of mangas that lasted 1 year surviving the next year and so on:

1968- 1973 24 series 22%
1974-1979 15 series 19%
1980-1984 17 series 22%
1985-1989 19 series 27%
1990-1994 24 series 36%
1995-1999 22 series 34%
2000-2004 16 series 28%
2005-2009 22 series 38%
2010-2014 13 series 23%


Series that ran for more than 2 years:

1968- 1973 17 series 16% 70%
1974-1979 11 series 14% 73%
1980-1984 14 series 16% 82%
1985-1989 15 series 21% 78%
1990-1994 15 series 23% 62%
1995-1999 17 series 26% 77%
2000-2004 13 series 22% 81%
2005-2009 12 series 20% 54%
2010-2014 9 series 16% 69%

Series that ran for more than 3 years:

1968- 1973 11 series 10% 64%
1974-1979 9 series 11% 81%
1980-1984 10 series 12% 71%
1985-1989 10 series 14% 66%
1990-1994 13 series 20% 86%
1995-1999 17 series 26% 100% (2 series had 3 issues less than 3 years)
2000-2004 11 series 19% 84%
2005-2009 11 series 19% 91%
2010-2014 9 series 16% 100%

Things to note:
The rate of manga that will be successful (IMO running for at least 3 years would be considered a very succesful run) is around 20%, and it doesn't realy change much between manga that ran for 2 and 3 years.
As you can see from the data once a series survives at least 2 years it has very high chances of surviving to 3 years, in average around 90% of 2 year manga will make it to 3 years.
And in average only 1 in 7 manga will get to run for 3 years.
Back in the 60s-70s JUMP actually cancelled manga after a period as short as only 3 weeks! That wasn't even enough to publish a tankobon! I guess nowadays they make a the deal with the publisher authors to at least continue till chapter 9 AKA enough chapters to publish a 180ish pages tankobon.

TL: DR
Jump cancels manga faster than any other magazine based on the manga's popularity, but it also has A LOT of new series every year, around 11 nowadays, and as you can see in the last chart, the odds of a series surviving in JUMP for more than 3 years is 16%, JUMP serializes around 11 new series every year, so chances are that Jump will get two new popular series that last at least 3 years every year.

It's nice to see numbers like these every so often. Gives a nice perspective on certain things especially how fast something can fall to the way sides regardless of how strong a series is thought of as great.

 

[savethecat]

Moue's last comment makes me sad. Can't wait for him to come back

 

[Nakura]

I didn't care much about Ole Golazo, but yeah, Moue's comment is sad. I hope he can come back soon.

I also forgot that Tabata and Tamura were friends.

 

[Leoat12]

Who said Ole Golazo was like Slam Dunk, please present yourself! XD

 

[shoyoboyo]

He says that he's got notebooks filled with plot ideas to an extent that he may never finish the manga. They're just overflowing with ideas, good and bad.

I remember this. There were pictures of some of his notebooks on 4chan. Not of the contents but the covers. I only remember one saying "BIG MOM" and another with a drawing of a dragon, which I guess has to do with the revolutionary army or Dragon himself.

 

[savethecat]

a while back there was a picture of a guy (presumably her editor) + 3 girls with one being Gotouge along with volume 5 of KnY.

from the author's comment, i'm guessing the other two are her assistants.

Can you post the pic here

 

[Kave]

http://i.imgur.com/Pts4UmS.jpg Gotouge

We still don't know who is Gotouge, but i'm guessing it's the one next to the editor, and the other two are her assistants (according to this week author's comment, she has two female assistants).

also Black Clover + editor and Saiki for those who hasn't seen it.
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/posts/4459256/\

I'm a professional grave digger (literally went through 50+ pages since I don't remember the keyword).

It's just school of jump

https://twitter.com/school_of_jump

 

[TyVip]

It's just school of jump

https://twitter.com/school_of_jump

oops, thanks for the correction. i thought it was Gotouge due to the volume 5 preview xD

~delete posts to prevent confusion.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

This video top 60 series:
by copies per volume and Anime Studios. Just 40 to go.

(1)4,100,000 -> One Piece (Toei)
(2)3,900,000 -> Slam Dunk (Toei)
(3)3,700,000 -> Dragon Ball (Toei)
(4)3,700,000 -> Hokuto no Ken (Toei)
(5)2,600,000 -> Yu Yu Hakusho (Pierrot)

(6)2,500,000 -> Death Note (Madhouse)
(7)2,100,000 -> Hunter x Hunter (Nippon/Madhouse)
(8)2,100,000 -> Rurouni Kenshin (Gallop/Deen)
(9)1,900,000 -> Naruto (Pierrot)
(9)1,900,000 -> Captain Tsubasa (Tsuchida Pro/Comet/Group TAC)
(9)1,900,000 -> Dr. Slump (Toei)

(12)1,700,000 -> Cobra (TMS)
(13)1,400,000 -> Rokudenashi Blues (Toei)
(13)1,400,000 -> Prince of Tennis (Trans Arts/M.S.C)
(13)1,400,000 -> Dragon Quest (Toei)
(13)1,400,000 -> City Hunter (Sunrise)

(17)1,300,000 -> Kinnikuman (Toei)
(18)1,214,286 -> Sexy Commando Masaru-san (Magic Bus)
(18)1,200,000 -> Bleach (Pierrot)
(20)1,200,000 -> Saint Seiya (Toei)
(20)1,200,000 -> Assassination Classroom (Lerche)

(22)1,111,111 -> Cat's Eye (TMS)
(22)1,111,111 -> Kimagure Orange Road (Pierrot)
(24)1,100,000 -> Yu-Gi Oh (Toei/Gallop)
(24)1,100,000 -> Bastard!! (AIC)
(24)1,100,000 -> Hikaru no Go (Pierrot)

(27)1,000,000 -> Kuroko no Basket (Production I.G)
(27)1,000,000 -> Hadashi no Gen (Madhouse)
(27)1,000,000 -> Ninku (Pierrot)
(30)*,956,522 -> Hoshin Engi (Deen)

(31)*,944,444 -> Hana no Keiji (Deen)
(32)*,940,000 -> D.Gray Man (TMS)
(33)*,934,875 -> Haikyuu!! (Production I.G.)
(34)*,875,000 -> Rookies
(35)*,870,000 -> Jojo's Bizarre Adventure (David Production)

(36)*,810,000 -> Shaman King (Xebec)
(37)*,790,000 -> Kochikame (Gallop)
(37)*,790,000 -> Sakigake!! Otokojuku (Toei)
(39)*,774,194 -> Jigou Sensei Nube (Toei)
(40)*,760,000 -> Gintama (Sunrise)

(41)*,750,000 -> Bakuman (J.C. Staff)
(42)*,710,000 -> Hitman Reborn (Artland)
(43)*,708,333 -> Whistle! (Marvelous & Comet)
(44)*,666,667 -> I''s (Pierrot)
(45)*,600,000 -> Magical Taruruto-kun (Toei)
(45)*,600,000 -> Black Cat (Gonzo)

(47)*,590,909 -> Play Ball (Magic Bus)
(48)*,578,947 -> Circuit no Okami (Gainax)
(49)*,562,682 -> Shokugeki no Soma (J.C. Staff)
(50)*,562,500 -> Midori no Makibao (Pierrot)

(51)*,555,556 -> Ginga Nagareboshi Gin (Toei)
(52)*,552,838 -> Eyeshield 21 (Gallop)
(53)*,534,884 -> Toriko (Toei)
(54)*,520,000 -> Ring ni Kakero (Toei)
(55)*,502,920 -> Nurarihyon no Mago (Deen)

(56)*,500,000 -> Toilet Hakase
(56)*,500,000 -> High School! Kimengumi (Gallop)
(58)*,428,840 -> Nisekoi (Shaft)
(59)*,425,000 -> Pyuu to Fuku! Jaguar (Kaeruotoko Shoutai)
(60)*,406,250 -> Sket Dance (Tatsunoko)

 

[Tamil]

Why for Horikoshi and MHA having some unfinish chapter is a big deal? If i remember WT have this kind problem(i think its worse because the chapter that published is just literally a sketch) and i don't remembere all of you to panic this much.

Bruh. He is so paranoid.

 

[Nakura]

I mean, I was puzzled at first too... but man there are a lot of people making a big deal out of this. It's just one chapter. It's not like it's suddenly going to become My x Hero x Academia.

 

[G_I_A]

I mean, I was puzzled at first too... but man there are a lot of people making a big deal out of this. It's just one chapter. It's not like it's suddenly going to become My x Hero x Academia.

This is a big deal... A lot of japanese consumers simply don't tolerate this kind of stuff... It's pretty common for them to ask for a refund because of a "defective" product like this. Even for us being a no biggie.

Shueisha HAS to pronnounce itself about it. Even if it's only to tell consumers a lie in the lines of: "this was the author decision" or something.

 

[Nakura]

I suppose that would be the case. Didn't think about it from that point of view, but you're right. I know I wouldn't wanna buy a magazine for there to be a clearly unfinished chapter.

 

[tirakai]

I'm surprised there was nothing about it in his comment. Maybe we'll see an apology or something next week.

 

[Leoat12]

When Togashi did it every week, it was not a big deal because you were used to it, but responsible authors doing such a thing is really astonishing.
Many authors did the same thing? Tribute for Togashi or something? XD

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And it is a big deal in every situation for me, you pay full price of the magazine to read half-assed drawn series? The drawing is the most important thing in mangas, so it is not something that you can take lightly.

 

[Kefka Palazzo]

Kubo tired and busy, so that's why he had to put One Piece in hiatus this week and deliver only the sketches in some pages of Black Clover and Boku no Hero Academia. Next week everything is supposed to be back to normal.

This is a big deal... A lot of japanese consumers simply don't tolerate this kind of stuff... It's pretty common for them to ask for a refund because of a "defective" product like this. Even for us being a no biggie.

Shueisha HAS to pronnounce itself about it. Even if it's only to tell consumers a lie in the lines of: "this was the author decision" or something.

Can't Shueisha just say "there's absolutely nothing wrong, it's supposed to be like this"?

 

[Doughboy]

It's not a big deal, japanese people need to calm down if they do make a big deal of it. Eri was the only one that really looked unfinished. Overhaul looked fine in this chapter.