Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Koi Kage]

Thoughts on new chapter of Dr.Stone?

I found the chapter to be kind of meh, not bad but not good either, had Senku and the others ran into some kind of problem along the way to extend their journey maybe a chapter or two more it would've been better.

 

[Scruffy8642]

Thoughts on new chapter of Dr Stone?

No better or worse than the last few. So pretty average.

 

[Kadir0]

I liked Slam Dunk's final arc, though it was rushed but that last game was amazing.

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Just read Dr. stone chapter. Man, it just doesn't click with me, this antagonist feels just so empty, he just freaking woke up and it's barely 7 chapters and he's acting like a villain with development of 200+ chapters.

 

[Leoat12]

Slam Dunk and Hikaru no Go are the most remarkable ones to me, not only when it comes to final arc, but the series as a whole. They are the ones that describe that word greatness in Jump to me and most of the time the ones I use as parameters in terms of narrative and drawing quality.

 

[Tamil]

Your last sentence about Togashi series shows your bias about him and is series. Just like you can't treat any other arc of the other series as the ending, you also can't do that to Togashi's series. So Yu Yu Hakusho didn't had a good ending, in fact it had one, if not the worst ending ever(Chapter Black ending was also not good at all). And HxH didn't had an ending yet, so you can't even start to talk about how its ending is.

How was chapter black's ending not good at all?

 

[WyldViolet]

Can Beelzebub Gaiden count as a final arc?

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How was chapter black's ending not good at all?

Because Yusuke suddenly finding out he's actually the son of a demon king out of nowhere and going super sayian to win the fight.
S Class Demon's in general.
Huge asspulls in an already mediocre arc.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Just read the Black Clover chapter and it was nice seeing the Black Bulls and Asta get recognition but it didn't really seem like they earned it. Where did they get all those stars from? Didn't they have negative stars at a certain point? This chapter could have been 10x more satisfying if we were actually shown the Black Bulls getting stars. A good example is how Kishimoto handled Naruto getting recognition from the village. We were actually shown Naruto doing things to earn his recognition at the end of the Pain arc which was after 400 chapters. Having the Black Bulls, and especially Asta, being recognized and so well received this early at about 100 chapters seems cheap. And the "look how far we've come" was a great panel and arguably the best in the entire manga, but it could have been SO much better with proper build up to it. It's things like this that make me a little bit sad over how much better Black Clover could have been in the hands of a better writer.

Also, I can understand what Savi was saying about Hunter x Hunter's ending, although for me I would say the Gon and Ging scene up in the tree was an alright ending, even though it had a lot of questions unanswered. I'm sure many people were done with the series after the 2011 anime ended, and at one point even bookstores marketed it as completed. At this point, I think most people have accepted that Hunter x Hunter will most likely never be completed because Togashi will either die or give up.

 

[Koi Kage]

Just read the Black Clover chapter and it was nice seeing the Black Bulls and Asta get recognition but it didn't really seem like they earned it. Where did they get all those stars from? Didn't they have negative stars at a certain point? This chapter could have been 10x more satisfying if we were actually shown the Black Bulls getting stars. A good example is how Kishimoto handled Naruto getting recognition from the village. We were actually shown Naruto doing things to earn his recognition at the end of the Pain arc which was after 400 chapters. Having the Black Bulls, and especially Asta, being recognized and so well received this early at about 100 chapters seems cheap. And the "look how far we've come" was a great panel and arguably the best in the entire manga, but it could have been SO much better with proper build up to it. It's things like this that make me a little bit sad over how much better Black Clover could have been in the hands of a better writer.

I think were to assume that the members of the Black Bulls that haven't been named had received a few off-screen as well the ones who went out to look for a way to heal Asta's arms.

 

[tirakai]

Yeah with HxH it's honestly best just to treat the election arc as the finale, it's pretty clear at this point that even if it leaves stuff hanging with the spiders and such it's the best ending we're going to get for the series. It's also the point the 2011 anime ended on so it's pretty easy to stop there too.

 

[WyldViolet]

I think were to assume that the members of the Black Bulls that haven't been named had received a few off-screen as well the ones who went out to look for a way to heal Asta's arms.

Shit happening off screen like that is poor writing. Why even make this argument? Obviously all of us grasped what you said in your post, but it's not an excuse for Tabta's lack of writing ability.

 

[Koi Kage]

Shit happening off screen like that is poor writing. Why even make this argument? Obviously all of us grasped what you said in your post, but it's not an excuse for Tabta's lack of writing ability.

There are a lot of series that do things similar to this so it doesn't really bother me that Tabata does it.

 

[tirakai]

A world having more to it than just what the main character sees isn't bad writing.

 

[WyldViolet]

A world having more to it than just what the main character sees isn't bad writing.

Yes, but when things happen off screen that SHOULD have happened on screen and it not happening reduces emotional investment THAT makes it bad.
Like the LN fiasco.

Tabata apologetics make me sick. It's always grasping at straws.

 

[shoyoboyo]

The thing is, we shouldn't have to assume that the stars were received off screen, especially for something as important as this ceremony was made out to be. I would somewhat accept the explanation that the stars were awarded off screen if Asta didn't get the 2nd most stars out of all magic knights. It's just hard to believe.

Also, when I saw the panel with Yuno charging up his magic attack, I half expected him to fire it towards the guy who was dissing Asta to shut him up. It made me wish Yuno was a sort of protective character to Asta like how Mikasa is to Eren. I like the idea of the main character being protected by another more powerful character.

 

[Koi Kage]

The thing is, we shouldn't have to assume that the stars were received off screen, especially for something as important as this ceremony was made out to be. I would somewhat accept the explanation that the stars were awarded off screen if Asta didn't get the 2nd most stars out of all magic knights. It's just hard to believe.

Also, when I saw the panel with Yuno charging up his magic attack, I half expected him to fire it towards the guy who was dissing Asta to shut him up. It made me wish Yuno was a sort of protective character to Asta like how Mikasa is to Eren. I like the idea of the main character being protected by another more powerful character.

I think Tabata made a miss step at setting the number of stars as high as he did if the Black Bulls and the Golden Dawn been scaled back to around 50/60's and lower 40/30's for the other squads then it probably wouldn't been nearly as jarring to some readers that some where acquired off screen. Also I think Yuno in his own way was protecting Asta by showing off what he could do rather then just punish the guy who insulted Asta

 

[Avok]

The Black Bulls did a lot, though.

 

[Xzone]

A world having more to it than just what the main character sees isn't bad writing.

Let's off-screen the scene of Ichigo's father first fight then and in the battle of fake karakura put the Ichigo's father is a shinigami thing or the sanosuke training in kenshin, I'm sure that battle in the kyoto arc won't be bad.
Yes, you can off-screen thing but if it's not important to the series or save that to other moment(Not showing a strong character fight to soon for example).
PD:I don't know if they offcreen thing in BC and I don't care, but what you say is stupid

 

[TyVip]

I should have open a fortune teller shop instead of a salary man for Shuiesha .

Spoiler: Yuragi sou spoiler

The tengu chick is a stalker/yandere type

Female tropes are completed now ?

 

[Leoat12]

The Promised Neverland has been doing a lot of things off screen when they should do some of these things on screen or at least half on screen. I don't remember any hints that what is taking place now in the series would happen, it was too sudden. I like when there are hints, like someone appearing in a shadow, or enigmatic conversations, to make you suspect that something will happen and when it happens you feel that you knew that it would happen and your suspicions were true. The Promised Neverland could have better rankings from me, but it is not getting it because I feel like the readers were not included in the plan as well. In short, the plan was supposed to fool their "mother", not everybody including the readers!

 

[shoyoboyo]

I should have open a fortune teller shop instead of a salary man for Shuiesha .

Spoiler: Yuragi sou spoiler

The tengu chick is a stalker/yandere type

Female tropes are completed now ?

Not yet. There's no delicious tanline athletic girl, or genki gamer girl, or quiet bookworm girl. Kogarashi's harem still has room to grow.

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The Promised Neverland has been doing a lot of things off screen when they should do some of these things on screen or at least half on screen. I don't remember any hints that what is taking place now in the series would happen, it was too sudden. I like when there are hints, like someone appearing in a shadow, or enigmatic conversations, to make you suspect that something will happen and when it happens you feel that you knew that it would happen and your suspicions were true. The Promised Neverland could have better rankings from me, but it is not getting it because I feel like the readers were not included in the plan as well. In short, the plan was to fool their "mother", not everybody including the readers!

I'm sure there are hints here and there pointing towards the twists in the story but they're too difficult to find. If they were too obvious then it would just ruin the surprising plot twists because we would already know weeks beforehand. In my opinion, I would rather have Shirai play it safe and make twists appear out of nowhere than leave too many hints that makes the "twists" predictable.