Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Doughboy]

When does Food Wars' OVA come out? Nobody has really said anything about it recently so not sure if people cared or not.

I own volumes from both series while Yuragi in itself is a fun read, Shuumatsu no Harem is just straight up guilty pleasure.

So accurate, Yuragi is miles more entertaining.

 

[razerxs]

When does Food Wars' OVA come out? Nobody has really said anything about it recently so not sure if people cared or not.

The elite 10 picnic ova comes out in July with volume 25.

 

[G_I_A]

What I hope is that the novel is animated, so the characters doesn't appear from thin air.

Thanks for remind this. Yes, they can easily adapt the novel as an arc.

The countdown for MHA anime end begins. T-13 episodes and counting.

 

[Mawara]

Last week there was a discussion in this thread, which mentioned how Time Skips effected certain manga(someone mentioned how they felt, that OP feels not as strong as before the TS)-
So I've wanted to ask the question, if you think it would be better, if time just passes on without hyping it as a big thing-
(The question is not, "what are the problems are with Time Skips?"(or if there are even problems to begin with))-
By asking this, I have Hunter x Hunter and World Trigger in mind. Both manga skiping weeks or months frequently, either for training or for travelling from point A to point B.
I know, certain time skips in manga make sense(though Fairy Tails 7 years TS felt pointless, but it's not WSJ therefore not important here)-
After reading so many reactions of people, who either disliked the changes after the time skip, or disliked, how not enough things have changed afterwards.

So what do you guys think?
(And yeah, I am aware, that certain mangaka do this, to create new interest in their manga, but this is not the point, why I'm asking this)

 

[Koi Kage]

Last week there was a discussion in this thread, which mentioned how Time Skips effected certain manga(someone mentioned how they felt, that OP feels not as strong as before the TS)-
So I've wanted to ask the question, if you think it would be better, if time just passes on without hyping it as a big thing-
(The question is not, "what are the problems are with Time Skips?"(or if there are even problems to begin with))-
By asking this, I have Hunter x Hunter and World Trigger in mind. Both manga skiping weeks or months frequently, either for training or for travelling from point A to point B.
I know, certain time skips in manga make sense(though Fairy Tails 7 years TS felt pointless, but it's not WSJ therefore not important here)-
After reading so many reactions of people, who either disliked the changes after the time skip, or disliked, how not enough things have changed afterwards.

So what do you guys think?
(And yeah, I am aware, that certain mangaka do this, to create new interest in their manga, but this is not the point, why I'm asking this)

I'm all for just letting time pass normally (showing training as sort of montages no need to really dedicate entire chapters to show training a small section would suffice) show the characters growing naturally if the series is action/adventure oriented examples being MHA, BC, TPN, etc.

If the series is in a strict school setting, MHA not counting since the school aspect doesn't really play in much unless Horikoshi remembers there technically suppose to be in school, then a time skip periodically happening between major breaks would be enough (summer and winter break if the author doesn't have anything planned).

 

[Nakura]

If we're talking about short time skips, like weeks or months, then I'm all for that. I think there are plenty of occasions where it only makes sense.

Timeskips that span year(s) is where I'm not quite sure how I feel. I'd personally prefer to not skip the passage of time, so we can witness the process of characters changing, or getting stronger, etc. Although I can see where problems arise, such as trying to make characters look progressively older. That's where I think long timeksips can be useful. Unless a mangaka wants to subtly change the characters appearance slowly throughout the series, which would be pretty cool.

 

[razerxs]

So I've wanted to ask the question, if you think it would be better, if time just passes on without hyping it as a big thing-
(The question is not, "what are the problems are with Time Skips?"(or if there are even problems to begin with))-
By asking this, I have Hunter x Hunter and World Trigger in mind. Both manga skiping weeks or months frequently, either for training or for travelling from point A to point B.

I'm not sure what you mean by big thing so I'll sort out my feelings on it.
There are three kinds of timelines in manga:

1. The perpetual summer/adventure: no dates, loose continuity, (Sazae-san, most older stuff)
2. Proper calendars: deliberate progress with clear milestone events, posted dates (sports manga, World Trigger, and Hunter x Hunter)
3. Event time-skips: using arbitrarily large gaps to isolate arcs of a story (Naruto, Bleach, Tokyo Ghoul)

I prefer the second scenario, where the development of the characters and plot can be easily mapped out. It's really rewarding to see the characters grow over many chapters. It makes passage of time a big deal.

The third scenario doesn't provide the same sense of consistency because nothing seems to happen within the gaps. These time skips are useful to reset the characters and separate flashbacks from the main action. However development and power-ups still happen to occur during the story, which sort of invalidates any offscreen months of training. That makes the passage of time seem rather pointless.

 

[shoyoboyo]

One Piece is probably the manga that gets the most criticism for its time skip, but I think the problem lies more in the content after the time skip, not necessarily the time skip itself. In my opinion, the situation around the time skip was done well. It wasn't without reason, their encounter with Kuma made them realize they're weak shit compared to the New World.

Another complaint about the time skip is that we weren't really shown much of what the crew members did, mainly the training, during the two years (besides the cover stories of the manga). These people seem to forget that One Piece never shows the crew training. In fact, Zoro is the only crew member seen "training", if you count lifting weights. And it's completely fine, as it allows the story to progress smoothly between arcs without having to stop every once in a while to show how each member discovered their new technique.

 

[razerxs]

These people seem to forget that One Piece never shows the crew training. In fact, Zoro is the only crew member seen "training", if you count lifting weights. And it's completely fine, as it allows the story to progress smoothly between arcs without having to stop every once in a while to show how each member discovered their new technique.

We actually do see Nami, Ussop, Zoro, and even Chopper upgrading weapons and thinking through their fights over the months in Paradise. The story gets a lot of breathing room with Luffy's high power level so he doesn't even need a power-up until Water 7.

The big problem post-timeskip is that everyone's 2 years of training is already being pushed to the limit just 2 weeks into the New World.

 

[Koi Kage]

One Piece is probably the manga that gets the most criticism for its time skip, but I think the problem lies more in the content after the time skip, not necessarily the time skip itself. In my opinion, the situation around the time skip was done well. It wasn't without reason, their encounter with Kuma made them realize they're weak shit compared to the New World.

Another complaint about the time skip is that we weren't really shown much of what the crew members did, mainly the training, during the two years (besides the cover stories of the manga). These people seem to forget that One Piece never shows the crew training. In fact, Zoro is the only crew member seen "training", if you count lifting weights. And it's completely fine, as it allows the story to progress smoothly between arcs without having to stop every once in a while to show how each member discovered their new technique.

My only Complaint towards the One Piece time skip is that after the time skip the Straw Hats supposedly trained to get strong to survive in the new world, but in actuality, at least to me, it doesn't come across as they've actually gotten stronger. Fishmen Island could've basically be done pre-time skip because every character that was an antagonist in that arc could've been K.O.ed without the need to learn haki or for that matter really train to bet, Punk hazard was okay, I really don't understand the necessity to make

Spoiler

Law and Luffy didn't need to make an alliance in that arc

, Dressrosa this one truly came across that the time skip was pointless it took both Law and Luffy to end the arc and both where heavily damaged at the end if luffy trained like was stated he shouldn't have been as damaged as he was.

 

[Mawara]

One Piece is probably the manga that gets the most criticism for its time skip,

Does it? It's a sincere question, because I've noticed more criticism about Naruto's time skip back then. People made fun about it, how Naruto seemingly learned nothing, compared to the months AFTER the TS.
Most criticism I've got about OP time skip is that people dislike most arcs since then.

@razerxs Yes, event time skip, exactly! It's difficult to find the correct time for something like this, but yes, I've meant this!

 

[shoyoboyo]

Ah, you're probably right. Now that I think about it, Naruto does get a lot of hate in general for the Shippuden half of the story. I actually forgot about it, since I sorta read Naruto then just forgot about it since. (lol)

 

[Koi Kage]

I've noticed more criticism about Naruto's time skip back then. People made fun about it, how Naruto seemingly learned nothing, compared to the months AFTER the TS.

The only issue that bugs me is the since of power scaling that came along with the time skip it. Before the time skip at most any character, bar jinchuuriki that has control over their tailed beast, at most could only really damage a small section of a village at most without summoning a large creature, but post time skip the average character's power level, again baring jinchuuriki that has control over their tailed beast, seems to sit at medium/large village destruction. Also and this is a very big reason why I dislike Kaguya and for the most part where Boruto seems to be heading as far as story goes is

Spoiler

that the Otsasuki clan is pretty much all gods that must be defeated and they come from "space" and are nearly impossible to defeat supposedly

.

 

[Leoat12]

Naruto certainly receives more criticism for its content after the timeskip than One Piece and it is reasonable, it really got worse after the timeskip.
The only criticism about One Piece timeskip generally comes from Fishermen Island arc as if it was the only thing that happened after the timeskip. Since Punk Hazard the level of awesomeness in the series has been escalating quickly reaching the pinnacle (or not because we are talking about Oda here. XD) in the current arc. I think people see Impel Down and Marineford arcs and compare to what happened after the timeskip and gets disappointed as if it was not expected. Marineford was a turning point in the series and SHOULD be more awesome than what happen right after that. Now the hype is increasing again. It is normal to have this ups and downs if the author knows what he is doing.

 

[Bigivelfhq]

The volumes that got the peak of sales for the series are all in the Fisherman Island and Skypiea arcs!

People that complain about them just dont know how to appreciate those kind of arcs, Shame.

 

[Leoat12]

I don't have much complains about Skypiea and I really enjoyed Fisherman Island, not only because of Shirahoshi fyi. XD
Thriller Bark is by far my least favorite arc of One Piece, it is boring most of the time, saved by Perona vs. Usopp for a couple of chapters.

 

[RafaFedKilla]

The volumes that got the peak of sales for the series are all in the Fisherman Island and Skypiea arcs!

People that complain about them just dont know how to appreciate those kind of arcs, Shame.

I won't venture too far off topic, but I loved Nordland as a character and story.

Mammo was right about Giga, it's a mess. There's a lot of unrefined aspects to the works, more than expected. Kei Monri has gone backwards. The works just seem like if Shonen Champion put out a one-shot mag,

 

[Tamil]

Well shit, the new KnY chapter was great but made me sad. I wish Viz picks it up. I heard France are getting volumes already

 

[Mammo]

I won't venture too far off topic, but I loved Nordland as a character and story.

Mammo was right about Giga, it's a mess. There's a lot of unrefined aspects to the works, more than expected. Kei Monri has gone backwards. The works just seem like if Shonen Champion put out a one-shot mag,

last year both Ringo the rugby manga and the series by Food Wars author never got a volume release

this year I doubt many series would get tanks releases, with exception of Ichigo 100 spinoff and that's it

 

[SkerllyFC]

Black Clover is a series that can actually benefit from filler or rather non-canon material. Given how little time the original manga devotes to character moments having filler to give the audience some investment could work in BC's favor.

HEy, you're an open minded guy. I've said this in other forums, but as always, "it's a bad idea, don't do this". Sorry, but when BC is actually smart, then we can talk about it.

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