Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Aipom626]

Full Drive #2 + 3 (end?)

Well this is refreshing to see. I'm glad Full Drive is )probably) getting the ax before Golem Hearts. Don't get me wrong, Golem Hearts is still kind of boring in my opinion, but I couldn't find anything I enjoyed about Full Drive.

 

[Mammo]

Wow that was a lot better than I expected. For some reason, the art really reminds me of Uratarou.

I think its first chapter is more interesting than WSJ new series Bozebeats and Act-Age first chapters

 

[xAsum0x]

Jigokuraku the new manga praised by Hori and Murata among others was picked up

http://fascans.com/series-en/jigokuraku-en/jigokuraku-1/

cool stuff.

 

[TyVip]

Jigokuraku the new manga praised by Hori and Murata among others was picked up

http://fascans.com/series-en/jigokuraku-en/jigokuraku-1/

i trade bozebeat and act age for this in WSJ

 

[DyanSon]

Jigokuraku the new manga praised by Hori and Murata among others was picked up

http://fascans.com/series-en/jigokuraku-en/jigokuraku-1/

I already like it.

 

[TM2]

It has a immediately striking premise though I have concerns with the writing becoming too "edgelordy" to tell a poignant story.

By that I mean substituting genuine character depth with the illusion of depth. In the same way a lot of 90's comic books attempted to ape the style of Watchmen instead of the substance.

 

[101nemesis]

Bah.
Criticism is one thing, this seems to me a personal hate.
All manga have flaws, but gloat and reiterate every time "Ha ha ha, does not reach 300 that flop" is ridiculous to me.


For the last time, is not the flop that many of you think.

Before anime new volumes reached 150K (vol 11/12) in three weeks. Latest vol 14 sold 200K in three weeks. So it increased by 33% .BC's manga sells increase is relative to how much it sold on its merit, without anime.

Little by little the sales will grove.

Literally nothing against the series. I tried to get into it. Couldn't but doesn't mean I hate it. I've only stated what I've noticed about the sales as a casual observer.

Q: Has there been an increase in its sales from BEFORE the anime?
Yes. Everyone agrees to this. IF there was no sales increase at all, then it would have been a monumental failure as a franchise.

Q: Is it a big increase?
Not really. I guess many might say below average AT BEST. Take into consideration the push that it got from WSJ, it could be ranked even lower.

Q: Does it seem like it has almost stopped or hardly increases anymore?
Yes. Many agree to this as well. Compare it to something like TPN and MHA and you'll see the difference. Heck, compare it to WT and even there you'd see the difference.

Q: Can we say for sure the sales won't increase anymore?
Of course we cant.

Q: Can we say for sure the sales will increase, even gradually?
Of course we cant.

Q: Am I gonna end this now?
Of course I am.

 

[Franz]

Q: Has there been an increase in its sales from BEFORE the anime?
Yes. Everyone agrees to this. IF there was no sales increase at all, then it would have been a monumental failure as a franchise.

Q: Is it a big increase?
Not really. I guess many might say below average AT BEST. Take into consideration the push that it got from WSJ, it could be ranked even lower.

Q: Does it seem like it has almost stopped or hardly increases anymore?
Yes. Many agree to this as well. Compare it to something like TPN and MHA and you'll see the difference. Heck, compare it to WT and even there you'd see the difference.

Q: Can we say for sure the sales won't increase anymore?
Of course we cant.

Q: Can we say for sure the sales will increase, even gradually?
Of course we cant.

As already said Black Clover is not one of those series that receives a sudden boost and then BAM great success.

it is more a gradual and constant growth. It makes no sense to make comparisons with other series, TPN because clearly pushed by Jump, MHA has had a boost immediately due to the anime and WT is older and has an anime behind. logical that its volumes have sold more overall.

I repeat, criticizing is good, gloating and enjoying reiterating every times that the manga is a flop because not over 300 no, it is annoying and immature from my point of view.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 27, 2018, Original Post Date: Jan 27, 2018 ---

Spoiler: black clover spoiler

"Vengeance and Licht are not the same person, Licht just posses Vengence"

this is gonna be the new

"Asta doesn't have a demon, it's inside his sword which only he can use!!! that's totally different!!"

or "Yuno isn't Asta's rival, they're best friend!! ignore the fact that Asta and Yuno call each other "my rival" all the time"

One of the strengths of the manga in my opinion is just that, take all the cliches of the genre and present them under new light.

You can also object, as you said in the manga this is seen and this is there.

Spoiler: black clover spoiler

And I repeat that the surprise effect is not there because the author did not literally do anything to hide the fact that William and Licht had a link.

 

[Newkerzy]

I own Araki's book "Manga in Theory & Practice" and in this one, he says, that it's better to pair a newbie with an experienced editor, so that they'll be challenged and therefore produce quality content.
I do see his logic in this and kinda agree, tbh. On the one hand, I couldnt tell you what should be done with the inexperienced editors, but on the other hand I dont work for a manga magazine, so it's not my job to know

@ the discussion about Black Clover, its critics and its fans:
Call me boring, but I just lean back, read it and enjoy the ride.

I agree with this. Having a rookie mangaka paired up with a veteran editor is beneficial for both sides, but if the opposite happens where a rookie editor is assigned to a veteran mangaka, I think, in most cases, the story tends to suffer a lot and we can see this in some long-running mangas.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

There is being a poll about what's our favorite manga, 100 titles orderer chronologically

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=5a6c613be4b09ea6bab5b3c1#.WmxhOmkMZ4w.twitter

As expected, is being a battle between One Piece and Dragon Ball. Still, almost all votes go for new titles. Surprised how Hokuto no Ken or Captain Tsubasa aren't getting any love for now

EDIT: Hero Academia stole Dragon Ball 2nd place lol

 

[ElJin]

None Manga Editor got act-age? I'm from Brazil so there's no legal way to read it, but I'm really interested...

 

[101nemesis]

As already said Black Clover is not one of those series that receives a sudden boost and then BAM great success.

it is more a gradual and constant growth. It makes no sense to make comparisons with other series, TPN because clearly pushed by Jump, MHA has had a boost immediately due to the anime and WT is older and has an anime behind. logical that its volumes have sold more overall.

See, I'd be inclined to agree with you if BC wasn't as cliche/generic as battle shounen manga go. If this was TPN (something not generic or cliche) or even Dr. Stone with the slow gradual increase, I'd agree with you.
But in BC's case, it absolutely DOES make sense to compare it with other series because it's not non-conventional or brand new or anything.
And for something as obvious (in terms of generic) as BC to have almost stopped now in sales increase, it is logically safer to assume that it has hit its peak already.

 

[Mawara]

Jigokuraku the new manga praised by Hori and Murata among others was picked up

http://fascans.com/series-en/jigokuraku-en/jigokuraku-1/

I like that. I like that A LOT!

Spoiler

I enjoyed its morbid humor and how it let one guess for the whole chapter where this whole trip is going-
First I've thought this was about the protagonist finding a way to die, followed that he was only a decoy protagonist and that the woman was the actual protagonist and her goal would be to execute strange cases like him. I love what we've eventually got, much better than I've expected.
I really liked these littles questions here and there, the mystery, why his own village seemingly abandoned him, why he wanted to stop to be a shinobi, when he first mentioned how he described his wife as stupid, and their cute moments.
Also, establishing a "short term goal" with finding this island(and searching for the elixir of life) and a "long term goal"(saving the MC's wife) so quick, understandable and effective was great.

The mangaka really knew how to utilize every page in this first chapter, setting a great pacing and revealing the things at the right moment.
Now I feel silly that I was eye-rolling when I've read stone village and ninjutsu, bc I was afraid it would be a Naruto knock-off. Actually, it's just a world with supernatural things and powers.
The creepy and crude artstyle at times, and these body parts, where flowers were blooming looked intriguing. Loving it.

I agree with this. Having a rookie mangaka paired up with a veteran editor is beneficial for both sides, but if the opposite happens where a rookie editor is assigned to a veteran mangaka, I think, in most cases, the story tends to suffer a lot and we can see this in some long-running mangas.

Ohgod, I hope it didnt sound like as if I was implying that Akari said that newbie editors should be paired with experienced mangaka(he didnt). Also, I agree with you that a rookie-editor and a veteran mangaka would be detrimental for the manga(if my last post sounds like as if I think this, I just try to convey that I have no clue, what should be done with the rookie editors in this regard).

 

[Newkerzy]

I like that. I like that A LOT!

Spoiler

I enjoyed its morbid humor and how it let one guess for the whole chapter where this whole trip is going-
First I've thought this was about the protagonist finding a way to die, followed that he was only a decoy protagonist and that the woman was the actual protagonist and her goal would be to execute strange cases like him. I love what we've eventually got, much better than I've expected.
I really liked these littles questions here and there, the mystery, why his own village seemingly abandoned him, why he wanted to stop to be a shinobi, when he first mentioned how he described his wife as stupid, and their cute moments.
Also, establishing a "short term goal" with finding this island(and searching for the elixir of life) and a "long term goal"(saving the MC's wife) so quick, understandable and effective was great.

The mangaka really knew how to utilize every page in this first chapter, setting a great pacing and revealing the things at the right moment.
Now I feel silly that I was eye-rolling when I've read stone village and ninjutsu, bc I was afraid it would be a Naruto knock-off. Actually, it's just a world with supernatural things and powers.
The creepy and crude artstyle at times, and these body parts, where flowers were blooming looked intriguing. Loving it.

Ohgod, I hope it didnt sound like as if I was implying that Akari said that newbie editors should be paired with experienced mangaka(he didnt). Also, I agree with you that a rookie-editor and a veteran mangaka would be detrimental for the manga(if my last post sounds like as if I think this, I just try to convey that I have no clue, what should be done with the rookie editors in this regard).

No, no. I caught what you said perfectly. It's just that from what we can see from so far, it's that pairing a rookie with a veteran mangaka has shown to be detrimental so far. But if the veteran editors handles both the rookie mangakas and the veterans, the younger editors wouldn't get enough experience.

That's why I suggested Jump should try a "two-editor" system of sorts where the rookie editors intern with the older editors and attend meetings with the mangakas. This helps them learn what makes these mangaka tick and how to deal with these different characters.

 

[Ecchi Boy]

Jigokuraku the new manga praised by Hori and Murata among others was picked up

http://fascans.com/series-en/jigokuraku-en/jigokuraku-1/

HOLD ON!! I know this artstyle is this from the guy who did Fantasma? Holy Crap now I must read this.

 

[Franz]

But in BC's case, it absolutely DOES make sense to compare it with other series because it's not non-conventional or brand new or anything.
And for something as obvious (in terms of generic) as BC to have almost stopped now in sales increase, it is logically safer to assume that it has hit its peak already.

But why should it stop? And above all, why should it have already reached its peak?

I can not understand ... the anime is still there, a game is scheduled, the merchandise is already starting ....

 

[De La Croissant]

That's how you make the most influential shonen of all time...

 

[Mawara]

That's how you make the most influential shonen of all time...

I've read something similiar once, when some writer mentioned, he wouldnt read any stories, because he didnt want his style be "tainted", but keeping it personal and unique.

I get the idea, I really do, but I also think, that's really not how one should approach these things.
I have the personal view, that it's important to read as much as possible, so you'll be inspired by the stories of other people, but at the same time, be aware of other's mistake. And with inspired I dont mean just mean copying something. Giving a certain idea/element/twist a personal note, to make it yours.

I remember an interview between Togashi and Oda, where Oda talked that he liked how Togashi finished the Chimera Ant Arc and got ideas by this for One Piece. That's something what I mean by being inspired.

 

[Tamil]

I remember an interview between Togashi and Oda, where Oda talked that he liked how Togashi finished the Chimera Ant Arc and got ideas by this for One Piece. That's something what I mean by being inspired.

Did that interview even happen? I found it on the wiki page a long time ago and remembered that the sources didn't seem that credible.

 

[De La Croissant]

I've read something similiar once, when some writer mentioned, he wouldnt read any stories, because he didnt want his style be "tainted", but keeping it personal and unique.

I get the idea, I really do, but I also think, that's really not how one should approach these things.
I have the personal view, that it's important to read as much as possible, so you'll be inspired by the stories of other people, but at the same time, be aware of other's mistake. And with inspired I dont mean just mean copying something. Giving a certain idea/element/twist a personal note, to make it yours.

I remember an interview between Togashi and Oda, where Oda talked that he liked how Togashi finished the Chimera Ant Arc and got ideas by this for One Piece. That's something what I mean by being inspired.

I posted the interview just to show that an inexperienced editor is not always a bad thing. XD

About your comment, I agree that reading other works is very important as long as your "research" is not limited to manga. There are certain titles that give me the impression that the author has only read manga throughout all his life. Never read books, never watched movies, never left the house. That's why they are so generic.