Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Franz]

Black Clover would survive if Naruto hasn't ended, so the question came up on my mind.

Like My Hero Accademia

 

[Franz]

What's wrong? They are both anime who have benefited from the end of Naruto ....

 

[xAsum0x]

You can defend Black Clover without bringing up MHA lol youre not slick

 

[ChocoBar9]

Like My Hero Accademia

You forgot the fact that My Hero Academia started serialization while Naruto was still running. Didn't offset it at all.

 

[Franz]

You can defend Black Clover without bringing up MHA lol youre not slick

Why ? The difference between the two which would be, if not that My Hero Academy had an anime almost immediately and therefore had more opportunities to show off?

They are both classic battle shonen, and both made their debut or when Naruto was in its final stages (My Hero) or later (Black Clover).

Jump needed a new Naruto and he had two .....

You forgot the fact that My Hero Academia started serialization while Naruto was still running..

When My Hero started Naruto was n in its final stages.

Not for neinte initially it went quietly and began to be noticed only after its end. Kishimoto himself intervened to bring us attention ..

 

[cody]

Let's play a game where we estimate/guess how many volumes in total the established on-going series from WSJ will have when they end.

Black Clover - 25-30
Boruto: Naruto Next Generations - 12-15
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba - 25-30
The Disastrous Life of Saiki K. - 27-30
Dr. Stone - 25-30
Food Wars!: Shokugeki no Soma - 35
Gintama 75-78
Haikyu!! - 37-40
Hinomaru Zumō - 25-30
Hunter × Hunter - 50
My Hero Academia - 35-38
One Piece - 100+
The Promised Neverland 18-20
Robot x LaserBeam - 25-28
Spring Weapon Number One - 6-8
Tomatoypoo no Lycopene 10
World Trigger - RIP???
We Never Learn - 18-23
Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs 18-23

It would help if I were up to date with some things, it would help a lot. But looking at previous successful manga from WSJ, I think this is about right. I don't think WSJ will allow manga go any further than 40 volumes any longer, unless it's absolutely necessary to finish the story.

 

[ChocoBar9]

When My Hero started Naruto was n in its final stages.

Irrelevant. There was next to no guarantee that the series would have done well because the author's previous works failed.

Not for neinte initially it went quietly and began to be noticed only after its end. Kishimoto himself intervened to bring us attention ..

MHA first ranking was in the top 4 this was while Naruto was still running, it already got noticed before Naruto ended. Kishimoto didn't need to intervene with anything since the series sold well on its own. Black Clover had mostly middling rankings until Jump decided shilling it.

 

[Leoat12]

I saw you giving up on guessing the exact number for One Piece there. XD
Gonna list only the ones I read.

Boruto: Naruto Next Generations - 12~15 (Really hard to say, it can be short or can last forever.)
Food Wars!: Shokugeki no Soma - 30~32
My Hero Academia - 30~32 (Really hard to predict as well because Horikoshi dropped the possible final boss right at the beginning, so I really don't know what he will do. I think the series will become boring and destroy itself by 30 volumes).
One Piece - 100+
The Promised Neverland 18-20
Robot x LaserBeam - 20-25
We Never Learn - 15-20

 

[Tamil]

One Piece - 100+ (Oda just has too many creative ideas that he's too hard to predict even with the story progression % in mind)
HxH - Less than 40 or low 40's

Those are the ones I'm really confident about.

Not doing a full list, especially for titles that haven't received an anime like KnY/Stone/RxL because anything can happen and it's waaaay too early to predict the story length.

 

[Franz]

I saw you giving up on guessing the exact number for One Piece there. XD

My Hero Academia - 30~32 (Really hard to predict as well because Horikoshi dropped the possible final boss right at the beginning, so I really don't know what he will do. I think the series will become boring and destroy itself by 30 volumes).

For me it can easily reach 40.

MHA first ranking was in the top 4 this was while Naruto was still running,

The first volume of My Hero was released shortly after the end of Naruto.

it already got noticed before Naruto ended..

He started to get serious about it only in 2016 and the real boom was last year with the second season.

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

Let's play a game where we estimate/guess how many volumes in total the established on-going series from WSJ will have when they end.

Black Clover - 25-30
Boruto: Naruto Next Generations - 12-15
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba - 25-30
The Disastrous Life of Saiki K. - 27-30
Dr. Stone - 25-30
Food Wars!: Shokugeki no Soma - 35
Gintama 75-78
Haikyu!! - 37-40
Hinomaru Zumō - 25-30
Hunter × Hunter - 50
My Hero Academia - 35-38
One Piece - 100+
The Promised Neverland 18-20
Robot x LaserBeam - 25-28
Spring Weapon Number One - 6-8
Tomatoypoo no Lycopene 10
World Trigger - RIP???
We Never Learn - 18-23
Yuuna and the Haunted Hot Springs 18-23

One Piece: 110+
Hunter x Hunter: ??
Gintama: 74-75
Haikyuu!!: 37-40
Saiki Kusuo no psi-nan: 27-30
Shokugeki no Souma: 32-34
World Trigger: 25-27
Hinomaru Zumou: 23-26
Boku no Hero Academia: 32-35
Black Clover: 28-33
Yuragi-sou no Yunna-san: 18-22
Kimetsu no Yaiba: 37-40
Boruto: 10-13
Yakusoku no Neverland: 16-19
Spring Weapon N°1: 7-8
We Never Learn: 20-23
Dr. Stone: 25-30
Robot x Laserbeam: 27-33

 

[101nemesis]

One Piece: 130-140
Hunter x Hunter: ??
Gintama: 74-75
Haikyuu!!: 37-40
Saiki Kusuo no psi-nan: 25
Shokugeki no Souma: 30
World Trigger: RIP
Hinomaru Zumou: 23-26
Boku no Hero Academia: 40-45
Black Clover: 20-22
Yuragi-sou no Yunna-san: 15-19
Kimetsu no Yaiba: 30-35
Yakusoku no Neverland: 15-16
Spring Weapon N°1: 10
We Never Learn: 15-20
Dr. Stone: 30-32
Robot x Laserbeam: 27-33

For me it can easily reach 40.

The first volume of My Hero was released shortly after the end of Naruto.

He started to get serious about it only in 2016 and the real boom was last year with the second season.

You're talking about sales. Choco is talking about ranking and just the manga itself getting well received overall. It achieved excellent ranks and was arguably almost universally well received despite Naruto running. So Naruto ending did nothing aside from maybe have some people notice it as another battle manga. But the recognition and great content were there from early on including the popularity that comes with it.

 

[cody]

I saw you giving up on guessing the exact number for One Piece there. XD
Gonna list only the ones I read.

Boruto: Naruto Next Generations - 12~15 (Really hard to say, it can be short or can last forever.)
Food Wars!: Shokugeki no Soma - 30~32
My Hero Academia - 30~32 (Really hard to predict as well because Horikoshi dropped the possible final boss right at the beginning, so I really don't know what he will do. I think the series will become boring and destroy itself by 30 volumes).
One Piece - 100+
The Promised Neverland 18-20
Robot x LaserBeam - 20-25
We Never Learn - 15-20

I was probably too generous with most things, but I'm feeling generous xD.

OP will have over 100 volumes for sure. But the question is, what are the final two digits of the number gonna be.

One Piece - 100+ (Oda just has too many creative ideas that he's too hard to predict even with the story progression % in mind)
HxH - Less than 40 or low 40's

Those are the ones I'm really confident about.

Not doing a full list, especially for titles that haven't received an anime like KnY/Stone/RxL because anything can happen and it's waaaay too early to predict the story length.

A safe approach is a good approach as well. I want to believe HxH will have over 45 volumes so the ride will liyerally never end if the hiatuses keep up. xD

 

[TyVip]

I am the only one who think robot x laserbeam won’t last that long.

Sales wise kuroko was increasing every volume up until volume 18 on a steady upward trend (pre anime)
Robot is stagnant already at vol 3. I will wait for vol 4 to confirm my speculation.

Content wise robot isn’t fun to read. Author is sleeping on his glory and not trying anything new. Similar to marie, same formula diff manga.

Ranking or toc isn’t doing so hot either

 

[De La Croissant]

The first volume of My Hero was released shortly after the end of Naruto.

Shortly before. About a week before. And the interview with Kishimoto came out in May of 2015, I guess, when MHA was already selling 200 / 250k per volume.

I'm not saying that the ending of Naruto didn't give more visibility to the series, but you make it seem like without Naruto the series would be nothing.

 

[Franz]

Black Clover: 20-22

But do not you think you're exaggerating?

So you think it will last only another year?

For me, at least 300 chapters arrive.

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but you make it seem like without Naruto the series would be nothing.

Jeez, much of the fame of My Hero was based on its being the new Naruto, so ....

 

[ShenGao]

I am the only one who think robot x laserbeam won’t last that long.

Sales wise kuroko was increasing every volume up until volume 18 on a steady upward trend (pre anime)
Robot is stagnant already at vol 3. I will wait for vol 4 to confirm my speculation.

Content wise robot isn’t fun to read. Author is sleeping on his glory and not trying anything new. Similar to marie, same formula diff manga.

Ranking or toc isn’t doing so hot either

It's one of the most boring manga currently in the magazine. You'd think Golf with super powers should be interesting, but it isn't. And with the progress of the story it could end in 2 arcs.

 

[xAsum0x]

It's one of the most boring manga currently in the magazine. You'd think Golf with super powers should be interesting, but it isn't. And with the progress of the story it could end in 2 arcs.

No

 

[cody]

One Piece: 110+
Hunter x Hunter: ??
Gintama: 74-75
Haikyuu!!: 37-40
Saiki Kusuo no psi-nan: 27-30
Shokugeki no Souma: 32-34
World Trigger: 25-27
Hinomaru Zumou: 23-26
Boku no Hero Academia: 32-35
Black Clover: 28-33
Yuragi-sou no Yunna-san: 18-22
Kimetsu no Yaiba: 37-40
Boruto: 10-13
Yakusoku no Neverland: 16-19
Spring Weapon N°1: 7-8
We Never Learn: 20-23
Dr. Stone: 25-30
Robot x Laserbeam: 27-33

Looks pretty good I'd say. Maybe that's a bit too much for Kimetsu though.

One Piece: 130-140
Hunter x Hunter: ??
Gintama: 74-75
Haikyuu!!: 37-40
Saiki Kusuo no psi-nan: 25
Shokugeki no Souma: 30
World Trigger: RIP
Hinomaru Zumou: 23-26
Boku no Hero Academia: 40-45
Black Clover: 20-22
Yuragi-sou no Yunna-san: 15-19
Kimetsu no Yaiba: 30-35
Yakusoku no Neverland: 15-16
Spring Weapon N°1: 10
We Never Learn: 15-20
Dr. Stone: 30-32
Robot x Laserbeam: 27-33



You're talking about sales. Choco is talking about ranking and just the manga itself getting well received overall. It achieved excellent ranks and was arguably almost universally well received despite Naruto running. So Naruto ending did nothing aside from maybe have some people notice it as another battle manga. But the recognition and great content were there from early on including the popularity that comes with it.

These also look pretty good. A lot of yours are on the shorter side, which is more realistic.

I am the only one who think robot x laserbeam won’t last that long.

Sales wise kuroko was increasing every volume up until volume 18 on a steady upward trend (pre anime)
Robot is stagnant already at vol 3. I will wait for vol 4 to confirm my speculation.

Content wise robot isn’t fun to read. Author is sleeping on his glory and not trying anything new. Similar to marie, same formula diff manga.

Ranking or toc isn’t doing so hot either

It's very possible that Robo could die early, within 10 volumes even. But it can also stick around for 20 volumes or longer. Fujo powers must not be underestimated. The author might also try to wrap it up quickly since it seems to be a pain to do a manga about golf because of how the sport requires a lot of heavy research.

 

[Reigen]

One Piece - 100+ (Oda just has too many creative ideas that he's too hard to predict even with the story progression % in mind)
HxH - Less than 40 or low 40's

Those are the ones I'm really confident about.

Not doing a full list, especially for titles that haven't received an anime like KnY/Stone/RxL because anything can happen and it's waaaay too early to predict the story length.

I'm sure that the current arc only would surpass these numbers let alone the series it self.