Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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After the top 10,i think its Hataraku Saibou, Golden Kamuy, then its Black Clover.

Not bad for Black Clover, but its not a BIG sucess, lets see if the boy Zorah will help the series.
 

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What about HxH and One Punch Man? Did Black Clover manage to sell more than these two?
 

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It is falling tho. Just compare individual volumes. Don't forget that HQ was a million seller. It sells 750-770k now. Last year it's peak volume sold 901k followed by 861k. This year, its peak volume sold 771k followed by 750k. You do the math.
Assuming it declines in the same manner, within a couple more years and it won't sell more than 650k a volume.

It's following almost the same downward trajectory that Bleach did except in Bleach's case there were big milestones in it's downward spiral with many considering Aizen's defeat being the end of the story, hence the big drop between the last volume of FKT arc and the first volume of FB arc. The downward trend HQ shows is the same trend Bleach showed from Fullbring arc to it's end.

And this is assuming HQ's story doesn't reach a point where it makes some readers think "yep, to me that was the end of the main story". Also, HQ can remain consistent by keeping it's story level up and especially if it gets another anime season. Loss of anime always leads to a downward spiral.
Also let's remember that Haikyuu!! wasn't completely abandoned these past two years. It had stage play, movies and a large number of color pages.
 

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What about HxH and One Punch Man? Did Black Clover manage to sell more than these two?
Doubt it. OPM released 3 volumes and sold with these 3 alone 2,048,495. HxH released 2 volumes and sold 1,983,792 with them. Meanwhile not one of the 5 BC volumes released between november 2017 to november 2018 made it into the top 50 volume ranks which ends at 469,663. Even if 4 of the 5 BC volumes all sold as much as the 50th ranked volume it still would be over 100k short of what HxH sold with it's 2 volumes.
 

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Sooo how's the hype for Chainsaw Man? Too soon to tell?
 

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After the top 10,i think its Hataraku Saibou, Golden Kamuy, then its Black Clover.

Not bad for Black Clover, but its not a BIG sucess, lets see if the boy Zorah will help the series.
Cells is practically impossible since no new volume was released this year,

looking at the backlogs at book-rank it doing 1.2M at best (only 5 volumes ever released as of now)


Golden Kamuy have a good chance of beating black clover, since it had a visibly better second half, it all depends on what it did for the first half. which is hard to calculate.

What about HxH and One Punch Man? Did Black Clover manage to sell more than these two?
Hunter seem unlikely unless the backlogs were huge,

OPM is a maybe ,but personally I don't think it had enough momentum this year.
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Doubt it. OPM released 3 volumes and sold with these 3 alone 2,048,495. HxH released 2 volumes and sold 1,983,792 with them. Meanwhile not one of the 5 BC volumes released between november 2017 to november 2018 made it into the top 50 volume ranks which ends at 469,663. Even if 4 of the 5 BC volumes all sold as much as the 50th ranked volume it still would be over 100k short of what HxH sold with it's 2 volumes.
BC had a confirmed oricon number of 2.52M not including 19 missing weeks
 

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I assumed it was probably always planned to be a long running anime, and they only initially announced 51 episode. Sure if it was doing drastically terrible it would probably get cancelled.
Before the extension, the TV guides for TV Tokyo didn't list anything beyond episode 51 while every other show like Boruto still had their episodes listed. There's also the fact that if it was planned as long running, Hulu would still have had the license to the episodes beyond 51.
But I never got the impression that Black Clover was doing exceptionally well. It’s a success and definitely doing well, but it’s not exactly a phenomenon world wide like say, DB, Naruto, OP, OPM, and it peer MHA worldwide
I never said it was a phenomenon but that it was well received. The anime has been doing really well in Chinese streaming sites which is currently the biggest overseas market for the animation industry. Unfortunately, I don't think most people in the west realize how big their contributions to the growth of the anime industry has been in the last 5 years or so. In iqiyi before the extension BC, was played over 200 million times and in youku, it's currently sitting at 60 million. (You'll have to take my word for the iqyi stat because they're not visible anymore). For comparisons sake, Boruto had been played over 1 billion times last time I checked. These are obviously big numbers. People who bring up Bleach in an attempt to downplay BC's achievement in TV Tokyo's fiscal report don't realize the Netflix deal that happened for the live action movie. It's no secret that the sum Netflix pays for licensing the shows are more than enough to cover up the entire costs of a production. I think a reliable youtuber called Canipa covers that.

With how low the boost was with the anime, once the anime stops and the sales start falling (like they always do), it will get cancelled. Unless OFC, it ends naturally before that.
Literally not hating. Just being realistic.
Just like World Trigger right?

Jokes aside. For that to happen, people will have to suddenly stop watching the anime or if there's no more material to animate, because I simply can't see it ending right now.
I mean, kingdom's anime didn't really give it much of a boost either and it still got two long seasons. So it doesn't really say or mean much.
Kingdom anime was airing in Nhk. Surely you know they operate differently compared to normal production committees? It was also airing back in a time when streaming wasn't really a big deal like it is now and China still had the ban on anime.
 
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just a heads up, extended numbers are for shonen jump series only.
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finally a chart with perfectly complete data
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by the way...

Jujutsu Kaisen vol 1 135,730
Jujutsu Kaisen vol. 2 117,876
 

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What is the time frame.
release date until end of oricon year (18 nov 2018)

edit: I thought that it was implied but then again I should have been clearer
 

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So 250k sold of 350k printed (is it include digital i can’t remember, assume no)

Then it sold for about 71%. i think either iceemperor or someone said that copies sell for about 66% so not too far off.
 

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just a heads up, extended numbers are for shonen jump series only.
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finally a chart with perfectly complete data
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by the way...

Jujutsu Kaisen vol 1 135,730
Jujutsu Kaisen vol. 2 117,876
Is Jujutsu doing better than Neverland in the first two volumes?
 

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When I say “always planned”, I mean, I assumed Pierrot and TV Tokyo most likely planned to go beyond 51 episodes really early on, but kept it under wraps until the first 51 were almost done.
 

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just a heads up, extended numbers are for shonen jump series only.
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Jujutsu Kaisen vol 1 135,730
Jujutsu Kaisen vol. 2 117,876
:hearts:hearts:hearts
 

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Is Jujutsu doing better than Neverland in the first two volumes?
No
Its first two volumes are similar to yuuna growth lol. 350k in two vs 300k in two in circulation
 

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Is Jujutsu doing better than Neverland in the first two volumes?
223.329 Neverland Vol 1 ( Dec 2 to 21 May )
207.190 Neverland Vol 2 ( Feb 3 to 21 May )

Vs

Jujutsu Kaisen vol 1 135,730 ( July 4 to Nov 18 )
Jujutsu Kaisen vol. 2 117,876 ( Sep 4 to Nov 18 )
 
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Now that we’re in the 2019 circulation, any series that’s been in the magazine for a while that anyone predicts will end
 

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Now that we’re in the 2019 circulation, any series that’s been in the magazine for a while that anyone predicts will end
Soma.
 
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