Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[SharkBait]

Hq is still a leader on digital sales metrics and hq still has an overall higher sales number, the only metric that matters.

 

[animeexpert]

Guys, how would shonen/jump look like if DBZ didnt exist

 

[SharkBait]

Guys, how would shonen/jump look like if DBZ didnt exist

Like it does now

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

People tend to forget that all the ''new stuff that made shonen be like is today'' from Dragon Ball, Kinnikuman already dit it before

 

[Aeneas]

People tend to forget that all the ''new stuff that made shonen be like is today'' from Dragon Ball, Kinnikuman already dit it before

All of it?

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

All of it?

-Power of friendship
-Adventures
-Tournaments
-Power-ups
-Training arcs
-Moves

I'd say yes

 

[TyVip]

Outside of Japan the people that know Kinnikuman as a wrestler guy, can you really blame them?

 

[CuriousReborn]

What are the data ?

Sorry had a 12 hours flight and timezones messed my schedule up

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

Illustration (v1.0) by Akira Akatsuki for the 10th anniversary of Medaka Box

 

[Jovan]

Illustration (v1.0) by Akira Akatsuki for the 10th anniversary of Medaka Box

Is it just me or Medaka here feels a bit...unnatural in her face?

 

[WyldViolet]

I'd say Jump wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for Saint Seiya.
Dragon Ball didn't really shift to the battle centric series people know it as until Feb 1987, which was already over two years into its run (It debuted in Nov 1984). It also was a year after Saint Seiya had debuted in Jan 1986 as an immediate hit and had well established itself by that point. I'd say Dragon Ball after this point reads a lot more like a (possibly subconscious) response to Saint Seiya than something we can solely attribute to Toriyama's creativity.

 

[SalesNerd69]

Why does kinnikuman not being known in the western world matter tho? Mangaka are japanese and they most certainly knew/read kinnikuman and got influenced by it.

 

[Halloween]

I'd say Jump wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for Saint Seiya.
Dragon Ball didn't really shift to the battle centric series people know it as until Feb 1987, which was already over two years into its run. It also was a year after Saint Seiya had debuted in Jan 1986 as an immediate hit and had well established itself by that point. I'd say Dragon Ball after this point reads a lot more like a (possibly subconscious) response to Saint Seiya than something we can solely attribute to Toriyama's creativity.

There's an interview about this very subject, but for the life of me I can't remember where it is. It was either AT or the editor of DB at the time talking about Saint Seiya specifically.

 

[WyldViolet]

There's an interview about this very subject, but for the life of me I can't remember where it is. It was either AT or the editor of DB at the time talking about Saint Seiya specifically.

Oh really? I'd love to read it if someone else has it!

 

[Aeneas]

Saw this in a Forbes interview with his editor, but it's about the anime.

“Even though we tried to make the Dragon Ball anime better than Dr. Slump's, the ratings still went gradually down. We then tried to figure out why that was happening, why the series wasn't doing well. One thing we discovered was that the producer for the Dragon Ball anime was the same as on Dr. Slump. As he had an image of Toriyama's manga as being something cute and funny, which meant his style of Dragon Ball became too similar to Dr. Slump. This meant he was missing the more serious tone we had developed in the Dragon Ball manga. For instance, when I saw the scene in the anime where Goku pierces Piccolo I realized I couldn't work with this producer.

“So I talked with the studio and asked to have the producer changed. This was something that had never happened before, as it was an entirely different company.

“Around the same time, Saint Seiya was a very popular anime. This was interesting because the Saint Seiya manga was rather average but the anime by comparison was a lot better. So I wanted to know why the Saint Seiya anime was doing so well and we did some research on that. We found that there were two key figures. The first was Kouzou Morishita, who was the director, and the second was Takao Koyama, who wrote the script. So I visited these two guys and asked them if they'd help me reboot Dragon Ball and they both agreed."

 

[Halloween]

Saw this in a Forbes interview with his editor, but it's about the anime.

“Even though we tried to make the Dragon Ball anime better than Dr. Slump's, the ratings still went gradually down. We then tried to figure out why that was happening, why the series wasn't doing well. One thing we discovered was that the producer for the Dragon Ball anime was the same as on Dr. Slump. As he had an image of Toriyama's manga as being something cute and funny, which meant his style of Dragon Ball became too similar to Dr. Slump. This meant he was missing the more serious tone we had developed in the Dragon Ball manga. For instance, when I saw the scene in the anime where Goku pierces Piccolo I realized I couldn't work with this producer.

“So I talked with the studio and asked to have the producer changed. This was something that had never happened before, as it was an entirely different company.

“Around the same time, Saint Seiya was a very popular anime. This was interesting because the Saint Seiya manga was rather average but the anime by comparison was a lot better. So I wanted to know why the Saint Seiya anime was doing so well and we did some research on that. We found that there were two key figures. The first was Kouzou Morishita, who was the director, and the second was Takao Koyama, who wrote the script. So I visited these two guys and asked them if they'd help me reboot Dragon Ball and they both agreed."

Yep, that's the interview! I distinctly recall it because of the snide comment he made about Saint Seiya's manga, lol.

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Oh really? I'd love to read it if someone else has it!

Read Aeneas' post, that's the one. I remember it being part of a bigger interview though.

 

[WyldViolet]

Also, definitely a hot-topic but I feel Jump series being directly inspired by ongoing series in the magazine is definitely a recurring thing throughout the magazines history,
A strong example in my opinion is the relationship between Hunter x Hunter and Naruto.
In the Naruto one-shot which debuted before HxH we didn't have Sasuke.
Once Naruto is actually serialized, HxH has also debuted and become an established series by now and suddenly Naruto includes this character with attributes seemingly directly merged from Kurapika and Killua.

After the Hunter exam arc, and the Nen system is more fully elaborated on during the Heavens Arena arc We suddenly have the Chuunin Exams which clearly is inspired by the initial HxH arc, followed by Kishimoto suddenly throwing in a more developed Chakra system that initially seems rather similar to Nen, right down to how one discovers their Nen/Chakra type.
After Yorknew, Kishimoto introduces the Atatsuki, and so-on, so-forth.

Naruto clearly would not be where it is today if it wasn't for HxH.

Another example would be the Killua rescue arc in HxH and with how short in proximity the Ren rescue arc in Shaman King was which was essentially the exact same arc. One where the main cast has to rescue the edgy MC from his weird family of assassins that have him held hostage in the family homebase.

 

[SalesNerd69]

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 3, 2019, Original Post Date: Jul 3, 2019 ---

Saw this in a Forbes interview with his editor, but it's about the anime.

“Even though we tried to make the Dragon Ball anime better than Dr. Slump's, the ratings still went gradually down. We then tried to figure out why that was happening, why the series wasn't doing well. One thing we discovered was that the producer for the Dragon Ball anime was the same as on Dr. Slump. As he had an image of Toriyama's manga as being something cute and funny, which meant his style of Dragon Ball became too similar to Dr. Slump. This meant he was missing the more serious tone we had developed in the Dragon Ball manga. For instance, when I saw the scene in the anime where Goku pierces Piccolo I realized I couldn't work with this producer.

“So I talked with the studio and asked to have the producer changed. This was something that had never happened before, as it was an entirely different company.

“Around the same time, Saint Seiya was a very popular anime. This was interesting because the Saint Seiya manga was rather average but the anime by comparison was a lot better. So I wanted to know why the Saint Seiya anime was doing so well and we did some research on that. We found that there were two key figures. The first was Kouzou Morishita, who was the director, and the second was Takao Koyama, who wrote the script. So I visited these two guys and asked them if they'd help me reboot Dragon Ball and they both agreed."

Koyama kek

He wrote all those awful Z movies lmfao

 

[WyldViolet]

--- Double Post Merged, Jul 3, 2019, Original Post Date: Jul 3, 2019 ---

Koyama kek

He wrote all those awful Z movies lmfao

Not all are terrible.
I'm quite fond of 1, 9, 12, and 13.
He also was involved with the first season of Slayers which is incredible.

 

[animeexpert]

Like it does now

No it w

Like it does now

Can you elaborate?.., we would get internally different manga now being serialized.

The big 3 was heavily inspired cuz of toryiama, they said himself. (Also the writer of Fairy tail